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Viktor Yanukovych president of Ukraine is in Kharkiv (live stream)
Interfax ^ | 2/22/2014 | Interfax

Posted on 02/22/2014 3:55:06 AM PST by Dallas59

Live Stream as of 5:55AM CT

Ukrainian President and honorary member of the Party of Regions of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych arrived in Kharkiv in the early hours of Saturday, a source with knowledge of the situation told Interfax.

Yanukovych is supposed to take part in a congress of lawmakers from southeastern regions of Ukraine on Saturday, he said.

"This is what is planned, but the situation is changing rapidly. Changes are possible," the source said.

A high-ranking source from Yanukovych's entourage had said earlier in an interview with the Dzerkalo Tyzhnia (Mirror Weekly, ZN.UA) that Yanukovych, accompanied by a narrow circle of especially trusted security guards, had flown to Kharkiv from Kyiv at 10:40 p.m. without stopping over at the suburban presidential residence of Mezhyhirya.

The source said Verkhovna Rada Chairman Volodymyr Rybak and presidential chief of staff Andriy Kliuyev were on the same plane with Yanukovych.

(Excerpt) Read more at en.interfax.com.ua ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: russia; ukraine

1 posted on 02/22/2014 3:55:06 AM PST by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59

I don’t know if this a pro rally or protests...


2 posted on 02/22/2014 3:56:33 AM PST by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: Dallas59

Can anyone explain what is really going on? I know the EU is trying to take control and then Russia is pushing back.


3 posted on 02/22/2014 3:59:19 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Dallas59

Could this be the beginning of a movement for Eastern and Southern Ukraine to secede and form an alliance with Russia?


4 posted on 02/22/2014 3:59:35 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Dallas59

I don’t think this is over.

I seriously doubt that Russia can keep itself from pulling strings and throwing around money in an effort to play the east against the west of The Ukraine with the hope of a full blown civil war into which it can insert itself, militarily.


5 posted on 02/22/2014 4:00:33 AM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: driftdiver
Eastern Ukraine wants membership in the EU, the Western part no. Viktor Yanukovych is pro Russian.


6 posted on 02/22/2014 4:05:55 AM PST by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: Dallas59

Sheesh, how did that recently restored Ukrainian Contitiution fall apart so quickly…

http://news.yahoo.com/amid-crisis-ukrainian-parliament-restores-constitution-limits-presidential-150800696.html

Perhaps KingHussein could sent them over our constitution. It’s solid. Like a rock. Besides, we’re not using it.


7 posted on 02/22/2014 4:08:36 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Dallas59

If he has left Kiev he has lost the game. Vitali Klitchko and newly freed Yulia Timoshenko are organizing things

Putin will be stuck with a fait accompli and won’t be able to intervene.


8 posted on 02/22/2014 4:08:43 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Dallas59
"Eastern Ukraine wants membership in the EU, the Western part no."

Isn't it the other way 'round?

9 posted on 02/22/2014 4:13:00 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Truth29

Yep...got dyslexic.


10 posted on 02/22/2014 4:14:45 AM PST by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

“Vitali Klitchko and newly freed Yulia Timoshenko are organizing things”

Knockout.


11 posted on 02/22/2014 4:19:29 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Jimmy Valentine

Tymoshenko has just left prison, according to Ukrainian TV. She’s officially free.


12 posted on 02/22/2014 4:21:03 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: driftdiver
I know the EU is trying to take control and then Russia is pushing back.

The majority of Ukrainians want a closer alliance with the European Union.The EU is not "trying to take control",the people are.It's true that the EU is a very imperfect entity but is light years better than is Vlad Putin's "New and Improved" USSR.I'm stunned and saddened to see Freepers here who are supporting the KGB Golden Boy in this matter.I suspect they're the same ones who said in November 2012 "Romney's not Reagan and he's not Palin,therefore he's no better than Obama...so I'm staying home".

I also expect those same Freepers to come out and proclaim what a brave and wise act it was for Obama to whisper that he'll show Vlad "more flexibility" after the 2012 election.

13 posted on 02/22/2014 4:43:03 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: Gay State Conservative

“...EU is not “trying to take control”,the people are.It’s true that the EU is a very imperfect entity but is light years better than is Vlad Putin’s “New and Improved” USSR.I’m stunned and saddened to see Freepers here who are supporting the KGB Golden Boy in this matter...”

Well stated.


14 posted on 02/22/2014 4:52:16 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 ( ...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Yes. She is immensely charismatic and popular in some areas. Her penchant for self dealing got her in trouble that last time. Maybe she has cleaned up her act.


15 posted on 02/22/2014 4:53:33 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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16 posted on 02/22/2014 4:53:47 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Good post. I live here in the EU, and while it’s not perfect (nothing is, let’s face it) it’s a damned sight better than Putin’s “Soviet Union 2.0”; and you’re quite right - the majority of Ukrainians WANT a closer alliance with the EU, and not just folks in the Western part of Ukraine.


17 posted on 02/22/2014 4:56:35 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

Let’s hope so. Maybe that time in prison gave her a little time to reflect on matters.

Either that, or fuelled a lust for revenge that will be epic in its proportions!


18 posted on 02/22/2014 4:57:56 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine
Vitali Klitchko and newly freed Yulia Timoshenko are organizing things

What a miraculous recovery...a few months ago Tymashenko was reported to be on her death bed with her lawyers and other human rights "activists" insisting she be allowed to fly to Germany for emergency medical treatment.

19 posted on 02/22/2014 5:07:31 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Monterrosa-24; AnAmericanAbroad
I live here in the EU, and while it’s not perfect (nothing is, let’s face it) it’s a damned sight better than Putin’s “Soviet Union 2.0”; and you’re quite right - the majority of Ukrainians WANT a closer alliance with the EU, and not just folks in the Western part of Ukraine.

Because my mother was born there I'm an Irish citizen as well as a US citizen.As a result I suspect that I follow events in Europe a bit more closely than do some in this country...including some here at FR.There seems to be many,many people in the West who believe that the USSR is dead and buried and that Vlad Putin is just a regular guy.IMO that attitude is breathtakingly naive.

20 posted on 02/22/2014 5:08:42 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: Dallas59

France 24 news is reporting that Yanukovych has resigned, but stating that it is unconfirmed.


21 posted on 02/22/2014 5:29:16 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Gay State Conservative

So conservatives support the violent overthrow of a freely-elected president? I don’t think so. That is why there are elections, which we coming up soon anyways.

This is the violent removal of one corrupt leader and his possible replacement, Tymoshenko, is also corrupt and quite possibly a killer.

The armed thugs who did this are mostly from a neo-Nazi party.

The eastern more affluent part of the country doesn’t want to be governed by putschists who will now steal what they can from the east.

This will end up damaging Ukraine and its peaceful development.


22 posted on 02/22/2014 6:05:07 AM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

Here it comes, the dissolution of Ukraine, orchestrated by Victoria Nuland-types. Another example of an Obama admin disaster.

Officials in Kharkov — in Ukraine’s Crimea — and the eastern town of Kharkiv have announced that they are taking control, AP reported Feb. 22. The move follows official condemnation for separatism from the Ukrainian parliament, which has tasked the security services to investigate. Rumors persisit that President Viktor Yanukovich has fled Kiev to the pro-Russian eastern regions of Ukraine.


23 posted on 02/22/2014 6:09:50 AM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: Dallas59

Other sources say Yanukovych has fled the country. The army never got involved. Even groups of the police have gone over to the opposition.


24 posted on 02/22/2014 6:09:53 AM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

All the Berkut/Putin talking points in one idiotic post.

You know all of those have been discussed and refuted, right?


25 posted on 02/22/2014 6:22:36 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

Nice rant...this crisis is far from over, and there are plenty of moves left to be made on all sides.


26 posted on 02/22/2014 6:37:55 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Dead Corpse
All the Berkut/Putin talking points in one idiotic post.

Lol...Samantha Power is that you?

27 posted on 02/22/2014 6:40:12 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

Wrong gender, wrong political persuasion, and a lot bigger...


28 posted on 02/22/2014 6:49:09 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: mac_truck

Wrong gender, wrong political persuasion, and a lot bigger...


29 posted on 02/22/2014 6:49:09 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: Dead Corpse

So nice I had to say it twice...


30 posted on 02/22/2014 6:50:33 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: Dead Corpse
Wrong gender, wrong political persuasion, and a lot bigger...

...and yet you still fit nicely into the neocon clown car. Go figure.

31 posted on 02/22/2014 6:54:47 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

Wow are you barking up the wrong tree.


32 posted on 02/22/2014 6:56:07 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Putin is most certainly NOT a regular guy.

But poking the bear in the eye with nothing to back it up is a very bad idea. If Putin is willing to fight to keep Ukraine out of the EU, or to partition Ukraine, or to repossess the Donbas and the Crimea, there’s no military force on earth willing or able to oppose him.

That being the case, posting crap like “the people of America (Europe, world, etc, etc) are standing with the Ukrainians” is arrogant nonsense. We are standing with them the same way we stood with the Hungarians in 1956 or the Czechs in 1968, which is to say, not at all. And the lie that we are “standing with them” (whatever that means) may encourage some poor fools to get themselves killed for nothing.

My grand-uncle was promoted to First Lieutenant in time to deploy to the Mexican Punitive Campaign in 1915 (sounds GOOD, don’t it?). Northern Mexico is our “near abroad”, and when we were a healthy country, we kicked ass there any time it suited us.

What Putin does in his “near abroad” is nothing but trouble for us. We have no power to influence events there, and we should stop pretending we do.

And the only other nation with armed forces of any size and ability that COULD intervene has burned all their maps showing the roads into Ukraine, and for very good reasons.


33 posted on 02/22/2014 7:15:16 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

The Russian have not treated the Ukrainians very well historically. Stalin starved millions of them, so it is still understandable that the Ukraine would prefer and alliance with the West rather then with Russia.


34 posted on 02/22/2014 7:33:59 AM PST by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: jpsb

>>The Russian have not treated the Ukrainians very well historically. Stalin starved millions of them, so it is still understandable that the Ukraine would prefer and alliance with the West rather then with Russia.<<

Stalin was Georgian and it was Ukrainian communists killing Ukrainian non-communists for him.

As for Europe it didn’t any better. Don’t you know what Holocaust is? Ukraine and Poland were primary scenes of this event.


35 posted on 02/22/2014 7:38:41 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

Yeah the Nazi’s were very bad people, but Stalin killed more Ukraines then the Nazi’s did Jews. And Germany has been purged of Nazi’s so a repeat is unlikely. Were you in the Ukraine which would you prefer, EU or Russia?


36 posted on 02/22/2014 7:53:50 AM PST by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: jpsb

>>Yeah the Nazi’s were very bad people, but Stalin killed more Ukraines then the Nazi’s did Jews. And Germany has been purged of Nazi’s so a repeat is unlikely. Were you in the Ukraine which would you prefer, EU or Russia?<<

Communism is pretty much dead in Russia, too. I guess Ukraine has more communists right now.
As for a choice between EU and Russia I wouldn’t pick any, but realistic analysis shows that considering recent situation, Russian deal was better.
BTW, Nazis hasn’t limited themselves with killing only Jews in Ukraine.


37 posted on 02/22/2014 8:05:06 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
Your understanding of the situation is incorrect. The parliament of Ukraine restored the constitution and voted to free Tymoshenko. They also appointed a new interior minister, who ended the fighting of police against civilians.

The parliament did so by overwhelming margins, including many votes from members of Yanukovych's party.

The situation is no different than if in our nation the House and Senate voted overwhelmingly in opposition to the sitting President, and he or she decided to resign.

You may not like it, but that's what happened.

38 posted on 02/22/2014 8:11:46 AM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: cunning_fish
Communism is pretty much dead in Russia, too. I guess Ukraine has more communists right now.

Wrong again. Communists in Russia are 19% in the parliament, Ukraine - 7%
Keep making stuff up

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Duma
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verkhovna_Rada

39 posted on 02/22/2014 6:32:05 PM PST by Ivan Mazepa
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To: Ivan Mazepa

>>Communism is pretty much dead in Russia, too. I guess Ukraine has more communists right now.

Wrong again. Communists in Russia are 19% in the parliament, Ukraine - 7% Keep making stuff up

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Duma http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verkhovna_Rada<<

Yep, there are 19% communists in Russian congress, and there is unpopular Yanukovitz who won Ukrainian presidency, and Obama is a US president.

What is your point?

You have no idea on how Russian politics works.
Russian support for communism is about 10% and shrinking.
Their last elections were an anomaly, all their leftist forces has backed a communist party to bring Putin down on a wings of ‘Occupy Moscow’ unrest last time. Liberals, socialists, green, Muslims, even Nazi-socialists - all demanded their supporters to vote communist and all they got combined was 19%. Putin’s party is still a majority.


40 posted on 02/22/2014 6:55:08 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

The point was for you to check how many communists Ukraine had before saying “I guess Ukraine has more Communists”

Little oddity in your previous posts, but why are you spelling Yanukovitz with a “tz” at the end. Is it on purpose, am I missing something? ‘cause I never seen it spelled like that


41 posted on 02/22/2014 7:55:32 PM PST by Ivan Mazepa
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