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(Mark) Steyn countersues Mann for 10 millon dollars
Watts Up With That? ^ | Feburay 21, 2014 | By Anthonny Watts

Posted on 02/22/2014 10:12:10 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee

Mark Steyn has decided to countersue Michael Mann for $10 million.

The legal document reads like a drama. See below.

FIRST COUNTERCLAIM

130. Plaintiff [Mann] has engaged in a pattern of abusive litigation designed to chill freedom of speech and to stifle legitimate criticism of Plaintiff’s work. He is currently suing Dr Tim Ball in British Columbia over a hoary bit of word play (“should be in the state pen, not Penn State”) applied to innumerable Pennsylvanians over the years. Having initiated the suit, Dr Mann then stalled the discovery process, so that the BC suit is now entering its third year – Mann’s object being to use the process as a punishment, rather than any eventual trial and conviction. See Mann vs Ball et al, British Columbia VLC-S-S-111913 (2011) (exhibit attached).

131.At the other end of the spectrum, Plaintiff and his Counsel have issued demands that have no basis in law, as they well know – including the preposterous assertion, in response to a parody video by “Minnesotans for Global Warming”, that “Professor Mann’s likeness” is protected from parody and satire…There is a smell to the hockey stick that, in Lady Macbeth’s words, “all the perfumes of Arabia will not sweeten” – nor all the investigations. And so Dr Mann has determined to sue it into respectability.

132. At the same time, Plaintiff continues to evade the one action that might definitively establish its respectability – by objecting, in the courts of Virginia, British Columbia and elsewhere, to the release of his research in this field. See Cuccinelli vs Rectors and Visitors of the University of Virginia. . .

(Excerpt) Read more at wattsupwiththat.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News
KEYWORDS: globalwarminghoax; marksteyn; marksteynlawsuit; marksteynsues; marksteyntrial; michaelmann
This is about the legal battle that began with a libel suit filed by University of Virginia climate scientist/political activist Michael (Hockey Stick) Mann against columnist Mark Steyn and other critics.
1 posted on 02/22/2014 10:12:10 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee
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To: Brad from Tennessee

hey, he’s been outta VA for years. He’s PA’s problem now.


2 posted on 02/22/2014 10:15:15 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Michael Mann just met a man.

Luck ain’t gonna help him now....


3 posted on 02/22/2014 10:17:09 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Kinda like Big Enos Burdette, huh? His word is “gold”?


4 posted on 02/22/2014 10:20:50 AM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Hopefully, soon to become “settled lawsuit”


5 posted on 02/22/2014 10:23:36 AM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Steyn is going to be his nemesis now, not just an annoying thorn in his side which was all Steyn could be while it was a battle of hurled words.

Couldn’t happen to a nicer bull hockey player.


6 posted on 02/22/2014 10:26:40 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Vendome

This court episode means that Mann has to produce his data file...and that’s been the one thing that he’s avoided doing. I don’t see him cooperating, and this whole case dissolves within a month or two. His lawyer has to be asking about fees and wondering now if he’ll get anything out of this deal.


7 posted on 02/22/2014 10:26:42 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: bigbob

Longing for the good ol’ days when you settled something like this with a sock in the kisser. Too much legal eagle BS!


8 posted on 02/22/2014 10:26:55 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Sure hope Steyn’s attorney can nail Mann to the wall and stop this costly fraud which is robbing all Americans and especially the coal miners of West Virginia, Ohio and Pennsylvania. However, with Obama preaching this “is accepted science” and liberal judges controlling the courts, I think we are all screwed despite evidence showing global warming/climate change to be a fraud. Liberals/Progressives have built fortunes on this theory and will now defend it with money, judicial and political clout. This is just another reason conservatives must win in 2014 if we are to have a chance of reversing course and saving America for future generations.


9 posted on 02/22/2014 10:29:25 AM PST by Boomer One
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To: Don Corleone

Yep. Steyn is exactly right in that some like Mann, use the legal process to harass and punish. Now that will at least work both ways.


10 posted on 02/22/2014 10:33:29 AM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

From Mr. Mann’s demand to dominate climate science as well as his thin skinned attempt at punishing detractors, we are obviously dealing with a narcissist.

Narcissists glory in perceived power and are tyrannical to challenges. A true narcissist doesn’t consider what’s right and wrong, instead they consider what’s good and what’s bad for me personally!

We owe much of our nations problems to narcissists. Some of the biggest of recent memory were LBJ, Bill Clinton and Barak O’bama. Outside of this country, Putin, that stupid N.Korea guy, and the late Chavez.

The success of our American system is that we have been able to limit the damage each of these narcissists have been able to do.


11 posted on 02/22/2014 10:34:42 AM PST by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country ....)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Mark is his own lawyer in this case
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/02/mark-steyn-strikes-back-against-the-empire.php

I hope he has the good sense to have a lawyer advising him and checking out what he produces such as this counter-suit. Steyn’s problem is this lawsuit is in the Washington Dc Federal Courts. Their talent pool is far too leftist as it is and Ogungu is going to try to stack them. This is why Harry Reid cot rid of the filibuster

Also it seems the judge assigned to this case is a vile dunderhead of the AA variety. IIRC


12 posted on 02/22/2014 10:34:44 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Brad from Tennessee.


13 posted on 02/22/2014 10:44:20 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

everyone Mann sued should do this!! Why didnt he think of it before?


14 posted on 02/22/2014 10:44:59 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: Boomer One
"Sure hope Steyn's attorney"

He doesn't have an attorney. After Steyn lost on the first go round in court, he wrote a column saying bad things about the judge, which prompted his lawyers to drop him as a client.

15 posted on 02/22/2014 10:53:19 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

Limbaugh should pay him $50,000 for each time he hosts. All of in the form of a donation to Steyn’s legal defense fund.


16 posted on 02/22/2014 10:59:25 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Ben Ficklin

Steyn sure as heck better have a lawyer working for him...under him, advising him. Reading and checkout this counter suit


17 posted on 02/22/2014 11:02:02 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Levin’s firm or Hewit’s firm or the Pacific Legal Foundation or
any number of law firms across the land would take up Steyn’s cause
in a heartbeat and Mark knows that. He’s up to something pretty
big.


18 posted on 02/22/2014 11:04:30 AM PST by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: dennisw

Maybe TGO Mark Levin could do some pro bono work for him :p


19 posted on 02/22/2014 11:07:14 AM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: dennisw
Its funny that you should mention Rush because that suggestion came out on another thread and I said that the coal industry should be footing Steyn's legal fees.

Most don't recall that in 2012(when Steyn made the statement), others were making similar statements, like it was a co-ordinated strategy.

Heartland Institute said global warmists were like the unibomber and planned also saying like Manson, Castro.

When Heartland began the campaign, many financial donors immediately dropped them, forcing Heartland to turn to the coal industry for additional funding.

So, my premise was, if coal was willing to bail out Heartland, they should be willing to bail out Steyn.

20 posted on 02/22/2014 11:09:30 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: dennisw
Steyn sure as heck better have a lawyer working for him...under him, advising him. Reading and checkout this counter suit

Perhaps he does, behind the scene. Now, I have no idea, of course. Just pure speculatin'...


21 posted on 02/22/2014 11:15:41 AM PST by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: Mr. K

Steyn is very quick on his feet. He will make mincemeat of Mann in court. He will not hold back the way a prissy white shoe lawyer will....who wants to maintain an image in the so called legal community of lawyers and black robes. Steyn does not have this problem.


22 posted on 02/22/2014 11:17:09 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Brad from Tennessee; SunkenCiv; Fred Nerks; NormsRevenge; Marine_Uncle
Good.!

Related thread:

Michael Mann Faces Bankruptcy as his Courtroom Climate Capers Collapse

23 posted on 02/22/2014 11:20:40 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: bigbob

“Yep. Steyn is exactly right in that some like Mann, use the legal process to harass and punish.”

Environazis like the Sierra Club an the EPA have been doing this for years. They seek to bleed your financial resources down to nothing using the courts which are all too willing to drag out the legal process for the benefit of their “brother lawyers.”
You know what you call a failed lawyer? Answer: Your Honor! Most judges were unable to make a decent living as lawyers.


24 posted on 02/22/2014 11:27:55 AM PST by vette6387
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To: Sivad
 Levin’s firm or Hewit’s firm or the Pacific Legal Foundation or
any number of law firms across the land would take up Steyn’s cause
in a heartbeat and Mark knows that. He’s up to something pretty
big.

I'll tell you exactly what Mark is up to. He is very fast on his feet and has great stage presence if the job calls for it. You can see this when he is on TV or radio. Markie is going to tear Mann apart limb from limb when Mann gets up on the witness stand. Mark will eat him alive. Mann is  lo-IQ compared to Mark with awful stage presece

I trust Mark will have a lawyer with him in court to advise him. Outside court too
But Mark will be the lawyer the judge sees in court. Jury too if there is one

25 posted on 02/22/2014 11:29:07 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Ben Ficklin

Thanks for the backgrounder!!!


26 posted on 02/22/2014 11:31:02 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Hark Ernest. From the related thread:
"As such, Dr Ball, by default, has substantiated his now famous assertion that Mann belongs "in the state pen, not Penn. State.""
Now that scientist has some real class. :)

It sure would be nice to see Mann finally exposed as a deceiver of the facts.
27 posted on 02/22/2014 11:34:37 AM PST by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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To: Ben Ficklin

Fund your allies and defund your enemies. Fund your allies with the wealth you take from your enemies. Its the Chicago-Kenyan way

Kenyan thug style politics means take away your enemy’s livelihood and ability to make campaign donation to conservative causes. When Obama-EPA kill our coal industry (miners are already going bankrupt) this reduces their ability to fund pro-coal politicians who are the Republicans. Mark Steyn too might not get a donation from them

Kenyan thugs defund their enemies, tax them more, impose ObamaKare on them then transfer this money to liberal NGOs and Federal workers and the votes they buy via giving out ObamaFones, EBT cards, housing and other welfare programs that some are coordinated with the states. There are tons of lib NGOs feeding at the public trough (the Federal one) Just like in House of Cards where Frank Underwood’s wife heads up a do gooder NGO (operating where else but Africa!) which might well get private foundation money . But Federal taxpayer money too for sure given FU’s political power.


28 posted on 02/22/2014 11:54:09 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Marine_Uncle

Mark Steyn is one of the greats.


29 posted on 02/22/2014 11:56:43 AM PST by bicyclerepair (TERM LIMITS .......... TERM LIMITS .......... TERM LIMITS)
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To: dennisw

Exactly, great breakdown of the way the left has operated for ages. I don’t know why conservative politicians can’t seem to see this and support those who oppose their own enemies with more vehemence.


30 posted on 02/22/2014 12:06:16 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

The problem is that AGW the researchers like Michael Mann at Penn State are not releasing their source code or raw data. So there is no way to verify their computer models independently.

Back in late 1980s when I was a CS undergrad at UMN and later a CS grad student at UIUC, I worked quite bit with researchers to fix up their Fortran simulations, doing code optimization for models run on Cray supercomputers and TMC Connection Machines at the MN Supercomputer Center and at NCSA.

In those days all the big federal granting agencies (National Science Foundation, National Institutes of Health, etc) required that any computer source code created or funded using federal research money must be made available to any US citizen on request. I spent plenty of time at the copy machine killing trees and spinning tapes for these requests. I tracked my time for billing purposes.

Some time after I left (not sure when) the federal research agencies quietly changed the rules. The requirement for public disclosure was dropped.

That is the whole problem. Bring back the requirement that, to get federal funding, you must make available your raw data and computer source code to anyone on request (and if they pay reasonable expenses for providing it).

That was the old rule in the 1980s.

It would fix the whole problem.


31 posted on 02/22/2014 12:06:52 PM PST by Gideon7
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To: bicyclerepair

I agree with that appraisal of him.


32 posted on 02/22/2014 12:09:14 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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To: bigbob
Yep. Steyn is exactly right in that some like Mann, use the legal process to harass and punish

Barratry used to be frowned upon - illegal, in fact. Then the lawyers took over.

33 posted on 02/22/2014 12:10:24 PM PST by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: mrsmel

Thanks. In the Obama era just follow the Federal money. Who gets funded and who gets defunded. Who gets taxed more and who is paying zero Federal taxes and even illegally claiming low income credits on Fed taxes to get thousands in rebates like the illegal aliens love to do

As in defund Catholic social services with the excuse they do not provide abortion and birth control in their workers health plans. Then take this money to fund an Acorn type outfit to provide services the Catholic church once did. It migt be some black churches or leftist Lutheran churches. Thus providing jobs for Obama voters and supporters. No straight male or conservative can get these jobs

The fund and defund dichotomy. Keep your eyes on it


34 posted on 02/22/2014 12:19:19 PM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Ben Ficklin
He doesn't have an attorney. After Steyn lost on the first go round in court, he wrote a column saying bad things about the judge, which prompted his lawyers to drop him as a client.

I read that Steyn fired his lawyers and that makes more sense than having a low life, scum bag, money grubbing lawyer dropping a paying client because he "said bad things about a judge".

You binflick'en boggers.

35 posted on 02/22/2014 12:51:40 PM PST by USS Alaska (If I could...I would.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Everyone, the only financial way to help Mark is to buy a gift certificate for his books and other items, here:

http://www.steynonline.com/

We have done so and encourage everyone else to do so, as well. Consider this in conjunction with a Free Republic donation.


36 posted on 02/22/2014 1:15:31 PM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: Brad from Tennessee

meanwhile the wacko from carthage, disgraced son of Tennessee, digs deep to fund all the litigation upon which his whole life’s work depends


37 posted on 02/22/2014 1:23:43 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Ummmm....He’s the guy Graham Spanier (famous for the Sandusky case) called on the carpet and said “Did you fabricate this global warming nonsense?” Mann said “No sir.” Spanier said “ OK, don’t let it happen again. Keep those grants coming in.”


38 posted on 02/22/2014 1:31:49 PM PST by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Gideon7

“Back in late 1980s when I was a CS undergrad at UMN and later a CS grad student at UIUC, I worked quite bit with researchers to fix up their Fortran simulations, doing code optimization for models run on Cray supercomputers and TMC Connection Machines at the MN Supercomputer Center and at NCSA.”

Cool! I did the same thing at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder in the late 1970’s as a Research Assistant farmed out to NCAR by the CU Computer Science Department when I was getting my MS in CS at CU.


39 posted on 02/22/2014 2:00:24 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: catnipman

“Back in late 1980s when I was a CS undergrad at UMN and later a CS grad student at UIUC, I worked quite bit with researchers to fix up their Fortran simulations, doing code optimization for models run on Cray supercomputers and TMC Connection Machines at the MN Supercomputer Center and at NCSA.”

Cool! I did the same thing at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder in the late 1970’s as a Research Assistant farmed out to NCAR by the CU Computer Science Department when I was getting my MS in CS at CU.

Yeah, it was pretty typical RA grunt-work back then. We charged hundreds of dollars for the dead trees and tapes. Nowadays it would probably cost $12 for the 4GB USB stick.

In a perfect world, there should be a rule that researchers receiving federal tax money should make their raw input data and simulation source code available on their web site. Sort of like the GPL.

40 posted on 02/22/2014 2:19:20 PM PST by Gideon7
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To: Mr. K

I’m guessing that Steyn had to wait until Mann had piled up sufficient offenses. Some things require time. For example, if Steyn asked Mann to produce documents, it would be unreasonable to complain the next day that he had not produced them. But after a certain point, it becomes obvious that Mann is obstructionist and/or hiding something.

At any rate, I hope Mark Steyn wins big.

The left has long used the courts to harass and bully. It’s good to see someone fighting back.


41 posted on 02/22/2014 2:29:16 PM PST by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: USS Alaska

why did he fire his lawyers?


42 posted on 02/22/2014 3:37:12 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
why did he fire his lawyers?

Probably for the same reason that I used to fire my scum bag, low life parasitic, worse than used car salesmen, lawyers...I wasn't satisfied with what I received for what it cost.

43 posted on 02/22/2014 4:45:54 PM PST by USS Alaska (If I could...I would.)
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To: pepsionice
His lawyer has to be asking about fees and wondering now if he’ll get anything out of this deal.

I've read that Mann has big "environmentalist" money behind him. I suspect the lawyers are getting paid.

44 posted on 02/22/2014 4:53:17 PM PST by BfloGuy ( Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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