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Drought: Feds cut water to Central Valley farmers to zero [California Democrats don't give a dam]
sfgate ^ | Feb 22, 2014 | Kurtis Alexander

Posted on 02/22/2014 10:36:24 AM PST by Jim Robinson

Central Valley farmers took a crippling blow Friday when U.S. officials made the unprecedented announcement that they would get no irrigation water from the federal government this year because of the drought.

But growers in a region with the country's most productive soil said the loss of one of their chief water supplies won't be their problem alone: Consumers will be hit hard in the form of higher prices at the produce market.

California's unusually dry weather is forcing producers of fruits, vegetables, nuts and grains to make tough decisions about which crops to plant, and which ones not to plant due to a lack of water, leaving harvests that are likely to fall short of demand.

A recent estimate by an industry group, the California Farm Water Coalition, suggested that as much as 600,000 acres of land, or about 8 percent of the state's total, could be left fallow in the coming year.

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Jay Lund, who heads the Center for Watershed Sciences at UC Davis, said products from other parts of the world will fill some of the void, easing the impact on price.

"They'll go up a little bit," Lund said. "But I don't think it will be catastrophic. Time will tell."

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2014election; 2016election; califdrought; california; election2014; election2016; epa; golfouting; lifeblood; obama; water; watershortage
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1 posted on 02/22/2014 10:36:24 AM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

My son lives in the central valley. It’s bad. California needs to get its head out of their rear and do the right thing. Shutting down the valley’s agriculture for what, a fish? We’re not merely talking state’s rights here. We’re talking the survival of the source of 1/4 of America’s food. Idiots.


2 posted on 02/22/2014 10:39:26 AM PST by LouAvul (In a state of disbelief as to how liberals destroyed America in a mere 40 years.)
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To: Jim Robinson

If the farmers go bankrupt, what are the Liberals going to eat?


3 posted on 02/22/2014 10:39:43 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

So ... everybody’s gonn’a talk and analyze this ... right ?


4 posted on 02/22/2014 10:42:17 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Desalinization of sea-water is the logical solution to the situation in California, but the communists, er... environmentalists, will not allow it.

If our nation truly wanted a green revolution we would proceed full speed ahead on the new generation of nuclear energy and this would make desalinization affordable. It would also create hundreds of thousands of new jobs with the cheap energy that is the lifeblood of tomorrow’s manufacturing.

Win - win for everyone but the communists.


5 posted on 02/22/2014 10:42:54 AM PST by volunbeer
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To: Jim Robinson; Brad from Tennessee

Hopefully, God will help us.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3125905/posts

Rain Finally Back in the Forecast for California
AccuWeather ^ | February 22, 2014 | By Kristina Pydynowski
by Brad from Tennessee

The second half of the upcoming week will feature soaking rain and mountain snow returning to drought-stricken California.

Confidence is growing for California to receive a substantial amount of rain and mountain snow from two storm systems later next week.

The first system is scheduled to move through California Wednesday through Thursday with the second to follow for Friday through the first part of the next weekend.

The second is likely to be the stronger and wetter of the two systems, bringing a much-needed soaking to many communities (with the deserts being the exception).

If the first storm bypasses or only grazes Southern California, the second will not. It is possible that Downtown Los Angeles receives at least half of the rain that fell in all of 2013 (3.60 inches) from this one storm Friday through next week.

Several inches of rain could soak the northern California coast, while feet of snow may blanket the Sierra. Snow levels could drop low enough to whiten the mountains of Southern California. . .


6 posted on 02/22/2014 10:44:04 AM PST by Grampa Dave ( Obozo Care is a Trinity of Lies! Obozo Care is probably a serious Black Swan event.)
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To: Jim Robinson

it will be catastrophic for our farmers and the workers....to hell with this getting produce from other countries...I want American grown fruits and vegetables to choose from...


7 posted on 02/22/2014 10:45:00 AM PST by cherry
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To: Cowboy Bob

Looks like they’re planning on eating imported produce from Mexico.


8 posted on 02/22/2014 10:45:15 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: LouAvul
for what, a fish?

Be real the liberals don't care about some damn fish. All they are worried about is filling up their swimming pools.

9 posted on 02/22/2014 10:45:40 AM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: Jim Robinson

The owners of central valley farms wouldn’t happen to mostly lean toward one political party by any chance, would they?


10 posted on 02/22/2014 10:46:33 AM PST by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Mother Gaia will take care of its children. She will provide organic manna for them.


11 posted on 02/22/2014 10:52:08 AM PST by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether a majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I know ..

Lets float some more water bond initiatives and see if they hold water now.

Oh wait.. Dams and reservoirs are evil, they disrupt the naaaatural environment & kill people when they burst,, like we will likely ever see another full one in our lifetimes anyway at this rate and early stage of a long term drought.. all caused by Global warming and cow farts and man.

It takes a spillage
To wreck a village
Yaknow.


12 posted on 02/22/2014 10:52:55 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: volunbeer
Using nuclear power to desalinate seawater AND provide base peak power to the grid makes far too much sense. Open the Yucca Mountain repository and it becomes the greenest of green energy.

Shutting off the farmer's water makes sense too, if you are trying to kill them off.

13 posted on 02/22/2014 10:54:12 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: Cowboy Bob; Jim Robinson; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SierraWasp

If the farmers go bankrupt, what are the Liberals going to eat?

Kangaroo rats, red legged frogs, spotted owls, bald eagles, blue herons, snail darters, illegals er soylent green and of course the Delta Smelt.

Water Supplies Curtailed Once Again to Protect Delta Smelt ... http://www.acwa.com/news/delta/water-supplies-curtailed-once-again-protect-delta-smelt - 40k - Cached - Similar pages Feb 12, 2013 ... Pumping restrictions aimed at protecting Delta smelt have reduced deliveries ...


14 posted on 02/22/2014 10:55:30 AM PST by Grampa Dave ( Obozo Care is a Trinity of Lies! Obozo Care is probably a serious Black Swan event.)
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To: Cowboy Bob; knarf

How about a nice chat over a lunch of Drake’s Bay oysters and long fin smelt, some pale ale and Nancy Pelosi whine, special reserve..

We know liebrals will riot over almost everything else.

Why the silence now?


15 posted on 02/22/2014 10:56:00 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
The marxists and this administration in particular like to create a problem and then ask the people for more taxes and power to solve the problem. They then centralize the power and steal the money.

A food shortage that they are creating will have people begging for help.
They have control of our finances, our health, our energy, and now our food.

Are the dots starting to connect?

16 posted on 02/22/2014 10:56:13 AM PST by oldbrowser (Obamacare is Obama's Great Leap Forward)
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To: Jim Robinson

This comes only a week after that loser waltzed in to town, with Feinstein and boxer. How stupid do they think we are.


17 posted on 02/22/2014 11:00:38 AM PST by easternsky
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To: Cowboy Bob
If the farmers go bankrupt, what are the Liberals going to eat?

Each other?

18 posted on 02/22/2014 11:01:33 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Guess they get what they voted for.

I hope fruit and produce goes sky high. Nationwide.

Let them see what the Dems are doing to them.


19 posted on 02/22/2014 11:05:29 AM PST by Qwackertoo (Going into Politic Free Zone Momma Grizzly hibernation for a while after this week, maybe forever.)
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To: Jim Robinson
We haven't been south on 101 to the San Luis O area this year. However, last year, we noticed after several trips, there were no bans on irrigation up and down 101.

My wife asked why south of Sacramento on 99 or I5 the land looked like a desert.

My answer was, the counties down 101 are blue counties and apparently get all of the water they need and don't have worry about a red legged frog or a delta smelt, unlike the farmers/ranchers in the dry Red Counties.

cui bono? is Latin for "who benefits?" It is the single most important question to ask when evaluating any (usually political or criminal) 'maneouver'.

The: "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"—"Who watches the watchmen?" In this case, the Bureau of Reclamation which controls the water in the State of California.

20 posted on 02/22/2014 11:12:38 AM PST by Grampa Dave ( Obozo Care is a Trinity of Lies! Obozo Care is probably a serious Black Swan event.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Suddenly, true organic farming rears it’s ugly head.


21 posted on 02/22/2014 11:17:38 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (Over production, one of the top 5 worries for the American Farmer every year.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Mooch will figure something out.


22 posted on 02/22/2014 11:21:01 AM PST by Toespi
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To: Jim Robinson; Jeff Head

Ya know, up until the 1980’s, a government entity making such a unilateral move against the population would be tantamount to an act of war. Yes, even in the good old USA.

In the 90’s, and even into the first decade, there would be massive protests, which itself could force political change.

I know this. Mr. Head knows this. We’ve seen it all before.

This is for those in the affected areas who think a nice, hand - written letter to your Congress person or whining on this forum can change course.

This move in California ‘ s Central Valley places thousands on American lives at stake. This is not a dem vs gop thing. It’s a matter of a good 20% of America’s food production. It’s a matter of survival. Those that have rights to the water in the valley should not allow under any circumstances their natural resources to be stolen.
(See tagline)


23 posted on 02/22/2014 11:26:27 AM PST by jimjohn (You don't get the kind of government you want, or the kind you need. You get the kind you deserve.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Where is the Californians sense of self preservation?
24 posted on 02/22/2014 11:32:47 AM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Where’s the revolution?

The highways to San Fran are vital to it’s existence


25 posted on 02/22/2014 11:34:36 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks JimRob.


26 posted on 02/22/2014 11:55:02 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: knarf; Jim Robinson
“So ... everybody’s gonn’a talk and analyze this ... right?”

Last year I started learning to grow food plants from seed and hope this spring, summer, and fall, I will grow my own veggies. I'm well on the way to having my spring veggies in their final containers to produce food.

I didn't know this was going to happen to California, so now I'm glad I started learning to grow my own. My veggies won't come from Mexico or some other country and there won't be any chemicals on my plants and no hands will have touched them but me. I have a small backyard but it's going to produce food with plants in containers.

Learn to grow your own veggies and piss off Hussein Obama and his corrupted Democrats.

27 posted on 02/22/2014 11:57:13 AM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Jim Robinson; oldenuff2no

“Filling their swimming pools”

I do not live in California, so I can’t claim any knowledge of the situation there-but while we don’t have many “save the purple trashminnow-that-no-one-eats” people here, we do have the city people who insist on filling their pools, pouring enough water every week on commercial and residential lots planted with everything native to the Florida Keys to keep 4 families of 6 in showers and drinking water for three months, and they don’t care if farmers don’t have any water as long as they do-are there a lot of these people in California, too?


28 posted on 02/22/2014 12:14:55 PM PST by Texan5 (" You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: volunbeer

The Boy Scouts taught me how me how to desalinize water with a few sticks, a couple pots & some tin foil. That wouldn’t work on the scale they need but it would (should) still be pretty easy. Of course being Cali., with all their regulations & unions, it would end up costing MUCH more that it should. Still, a couple wind turbines, a few solar panels, an electric coil, 2 collection tanks & a pipeline leading to the lakes they want to fill are really all that’s required for one plant. Streisand could fund it all with her takings from one concert.


29 posted on 02/22/2014 12:37:16 PM PST by AzCountry
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To: Jim Robinson

It’s time for a Tea Party.

They are changing diapers in the Ukraine, perhaps its time to change some diapers here.


30 posted on 02/22/2014 12:50:01 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Jim Robinson

I bet there are democrats buying up the land cheap after cutting off the water and forcing the owners to sell.


31 posted on 02/22/2014 12:57:26 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: Cowboy Bob

Can you say, ‘Collective Farming’? I thought you could. The increasing pressure on those who ‘produce’ continues. The ‘Progressives’ are on track with Health Care, energy is on the agenda, Food comes next.
After all, ‘they’ didn’t build it. They Shoulda known their ground depended on the kindness of the government.


32 posted on 02/22/2014 12:57:54 PM PST by griswold3 (Post-Christian America is living on borrowed moral heritage)
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To: AzCountry

I expect desalinization is farther out than the Columbia River pipeline. For a couple decades now Kalifornia has drooled over the prospect of running a 24 foot diameter pipeline from the mouth of the Columbia, down the coast range, to the central valley. Taken from near the mouth , the Columbia would never miss it, moving the sea water about 6 inches farther inland. If it helps keep Kalifornians in California I’m all for it. They’ve been quiet about the idea for a few years but this dry time might very well fire up the conversation again and it seems like the kind of “shovel ready” job the Kenyan would love? And as with Patton crossing the Rhine it would give me new enthusiasm for piddling in the river.


33 posted on 02/22/2014 12:58:19 PM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: cherokee1

The irrigation canals from Grand Coulee Dam have been a huge economic blessing and like you said, the river does not miss the small amount of water that is diverted.

A pipeline from the Columbia makes too much sense. There are lots of major infrastructure projects that would greatly benefit our nation, but the threat of litigation and special interests make them nothing more than pipe dreams. Pun intended.

Desalinization plants with pipelines on the coast of California would be more than adequate and cost-effective if we removed the obstacles. All that is required is cheap electricity that could be provided by new nuclear technology and a willingness to allow it all to happen.

If California could provide it’s own affordable electricity it would also lower the electricity costs of it’s neighbors benefitting the region.

The irony is that one of the main arguments against water development is protecting plant and animal life when they would flourish just as much as we would. The animal/plant life in the Columbia Basin greatly benefits from the irrigation projects.


34 posted on 02/22/2014 1:24:28 PM PST by volunbeer
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To: Jim Robinson
California Democrats don't give a dam

Oh yes they do, they want the land for their buddies in the development business and those buying ag land abroad. They want the Central Valley out of business. They don't want America to be self-sustaining in food production. I saw this coming nearly five years ago.

George Miller is foisting the setup for his globalist buddies in the real estate business to get cheap water for the cities they're going to build. This will work just like BART did in the Bay Area. You can bet that the first farmers to feel the heat will be those with a site for a potential insta-city near a station for the "maglev" (massive subsidy #2). The goal is a Central Valley that has a large population but grows no food, a chain of Sustained Developments, each with a transportation/utility jugular that is effectively a gun to the people's heads. Oh but they'll get lots of "Nature" all around them (aka "no man's land"). It'll be paradise! (cough!) All they need is customers. No problemo.

The key fact is that water is more valuable for development than it is for agriculture. As long as that is true the crooks in the "investment" business are going to tweak things against farming. They're "investing" in farming overseas in "places more appropriate for farming (see "comparative advantage" and "free trade"). So they get the trade agreements they want, push those annoying owners off their land, so that they come running to cities, including here, looking to be the customer base for their housing. That they'll subsidize exactly the same way they are doing now using your tax dollars to feed, clothe, educate, and medicate their brainwashed children up to speed, you know, until things are "fair." They'll make better slaves because they already know the score. Americans are too deluded with relic ideas of "freedom" to be quite as useful.

You really didn't think that Democrats like Pat and Jerry were going to let the "wrong people" make money did you? They got the farmers to pony up the cash for the construction of this massive investment subsidy (the California Water Project), by teasing them into salivating at a profit in real estate. They got the farmers to pay for the infrastructure and let them hold the bag until the big boys saw the right time. They had to wait until they were finished building out the desert anyway. The recession plus the idiot voters wishing up a passenger train boondoggle presents exactly such an opportunity.

Smelt, smelt, oh no, the smelt are dying... uh, the farmers are still hanging on... Oh steelhead, salmon, oh the humanity!!! (they're more photogenic anyway.) So it goes. I'll bet whoever wrote that biological opinion will end up running a lab.

29 posted on 06/09/2009 7:27:54 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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So it goes.

The biggest developer of Sustainable Development "stack and pack" housing is Catellus Development, aka ChiFi's husband Richard Blum. The biggest stockholder in Catellus is CalPERS. The left is leveraging public pension money to build prison-cities, with the bureaucrats enforcing the means to force people out of suburbs having their pensions tied to the success of that effort, else the taxpayers have to pony up to pay for said inflated pensions.

Quite the deal.

35 posted on 02/22/2014 1:33:26 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Islam offers us three choices: Defeat them utterly, die, or surrender to a life of slavery.)
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To: Grampa Dave

As produce production goes down, and prices rise, I think red area farmers should sell their produce to blue counties for a much higher price (all across the nation), to subsidize being able to keep the prices stable for red counties and states. Reward those who vote sanely, and penalize the tyrants.

Who cares if blue country liberals think it’s unfair? They are being their typical dictatorial selves and once again ruining an American industry. It’s time that for once THEY pay the price for what they are doing to everyone else.


36 posted on 02/22/2014 2:04:54 PM PST by boxlunch (Psalm 2)
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To: Carry_Okie

Do you have links/posts/etc that you could collate into a resource? Your hypothesis sounds tyrannical and draconian... and all too likely, given the fascist tendencies of the American Left.


37 posted on 02/22/2014 2:25:42 PM PST by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: oldenuff2no
I think it's more than that. You know how those whores al sharpton and jesse jackson just make up crap to keep those contributions flowing? I think that's what this is all about, viz. some manufactured cause for the sake of profit.

When I was living in kalifonia I remember some idiot from the heartland who came to san fransicko just to visit the sierra club headquarters. He expected to see a bunch of euel gibbons types. Instead he found three martini lunch sipping suits who were running a scam. They were inventing environmental causes just to keep the suckers sending money.

I think that's what this is. Just an ongoing scam.

Truly, if I wanted to make a million dollars, I'd start some leftwing cause. Those idiots are too stupid to think for themselves. They'd send money regardless.

38 posted on 02/22/2014 2:34:19 PM PST by LouAvul (In a state of disbelief as to how liberals destroyed America in a mere 40 years.)
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To: snowrip
Do you have links/posts/etc that you could collate into a resource?

The basic understanding came from research done for my book, Natural Process: That Environmental Laws May Serve the Laws of Nature. A lot of the data about CalPERS and Catellus came from a book by disaffected leftist reporter, Richard Trainor: Paradise Lost? The rest was obvious. I have a lot more on such machinations and (more importantly) how they were integrated into our laws from the beginning here.

39 posted on 02/22/2014 2:37:06 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Islam offers us three choices: Defeat them utterly, die, or surrender to a life of slavery.)
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To: All

Lived SO CAl, it rains usually in March and NOV! March can be a wash out so hang on So Cal it’s on it’s way!


40 posted on 02/22/2014 3:47:55 PM PST by DocJhn
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To: Grampa Dave
"Forget Jake. It's China town"--

He who controls the water controls everything.

FMCDH(BITS)

41 posted on 02/22/2014 5:17:39 PM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: nothingnew
"Forget Jake. It's China town"--

Self correction..."Forget it Jake. It's Chinatown"

FMCDH(BITS)

42 posted on 02/22/2014 5:28:32 PM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Jim Robinson

Central Valley farmers are supporters of many Republicans and this is pay back time by Obamma the Great


43 posted on 02/22/2014 6:21:51 PM PST by tubebender (Evening news is where they begin with "Good Evening," and then proceed to tell you why it isn't.)
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To: LouAvul
I think that's what this is. Just an ongoing scam.

I don't want to burst any ones bubble but there is not enough water to go around this year. I'm in far northern cali. The snow pack isn't, the lakes are almost dry, and it is not raining and snowing enough to even slow down the water decline.

What I'm really trying to point out is that the cities in Cali will suck up the water for their green grass and swimming pools. We need the water for the orchards and crops. The row crops in the central valley just won't get planted this year. No profit but the ground will still be there next year. It is the orchards that are in danger. If we do not water the trees and they die it will take more than a decade to replant and regrow trees to production.

The buttheads in the cities don't care. They just want green grass and full swimming pools. I'm all for making them pay 5X for food and selling them water by the drop.

44 posted on 02/22/2014 7:35:08 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: Jim Robinson

This is not good news.

My sister and her family live in Dos Palos. My brother-in-law does a lot of work in the ag business. They told me things were dry out there and it looked like business was going to slow down. This can not help!


45 posted on 02/22/2014 9:25:14 PM PST by TexanByBirth (Free Republic: where they may agree with the message, but they love to shoot the messenger!)
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To: Jim Robinson

What? Farmers? What do they have to do with food supplies?


46 posted on 02/22/2014 11:14:06 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Marcella

Good for you. News like this will not have an impact on you and should not impact your life.

Prepare to survive and survive to prepare....


47 posted on 02/23/2014 3:59:40 AM PST by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: Grampa Dave; Jim Robinson; Brad from Tennessee

I drove over the Sierra Nevada range yesterday on I-80, and it was kind of strange. There was less snow on the ground than you would see in late spring, and it’s still only February.

The parking lot at Boreal Ridge was full, though. It was probably pretty nice playing on the slopes in 55 degree weather.


48 posted on 02/23/2014 6:43:15 AM PST by Disambiguator
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To: nothingnew

“It’s China town”—

“He who controls the water controls everything.”

Lately, I have been referring a lot of people to that movie. It is amazing how many have seen it and forget about the water and its control, or ignored that reality of living in California.


49 posted on 02/23/2014 8:33:31 AM PST by Grampa Dave ( Obozo Care is a Trinity of Lies! Obozo Care is probably a serious Black Swan event.)
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To: Jim Robinson
I frequently travel up and down the I-5 from Southern California to the Bay Area to visit family. Here are the signs that have been along the 5 for years now, along with dead trees, fallow fields and dry streams.

Yet, in Southern California, while we're being asked to conserve water and are under threat of rationing, LARGE apartment/condos continue to be built everywhere displacing single family homes. Don't all of those massive new building require water??


50 posted on 02/23/2014 12:44:55 PM PST by Bon of Babble (Don't want to brag...but I can still fit into the earrings I wore in high school!!)
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