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Ukraine crisis: No talk of split in eastern city of Kharkiv
BBC News ^ | Yuri Maloveryan

Posted on 02/22/2014 1:00:38 PM PST by Blackyce

Here in the eastern Ukrainian city of Kharkiv, the most important thing coming out of a congress of pro-Yanukovych politicians is the sentiment that they don't want Ukraine to split but to remain united.

Kharkiv's regional governor, Mikhaylo Dobkin, told the meeting of MPs from predominantly Russian-speaking areas of eastern Ukraine and Crimea : "We're not preparing to break up the country. We want to preserve it."

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: civilwar; russia; ukraine; ukrainecrisis; viktoryanukovich; war

1 posted on 02/22/2014 1:00:38 PM PST by Blackyce
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To: Blackyce

Let's (not) Move! The WH chef is whipping up one of the president's favorite dishes tonight: Chicken Kiev.— Laura Ingraham (@IngrahamAngle) February 21, 2014


2 posted on 02/22/2014 1:08:06 PM PST by Perdogg (Ted Cruz-Rand Paul 2016)
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To: Blackyce

Dobkin just fled to Russia:

http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/192039.html


3 posted on 02/22/2014 1:09:43 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: icwhatudo

What is the word for it when 2 groups claim to be a legitimate government in the same place?


4 posted on 02/22/2014 1:13:13 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

Chaos???


5 posted on 02/22/2014 1:15:18 PM PST by CdMGuy
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To: GeronL

CPAC?


6 posted on 02/22/2014 1:24:09 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: Blackyce

Yep! Split it up into two or three separate governing bodies. That worked sooooo well in the little town of Berlin.


7 posted on 02/22/2014 1:31:00 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Don Corleone

Splitting up worked out for the Czechs and Slovaks.


8 posted on 02/22/2014 1:32:24 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Blackyce

What a mess the Free Trader Communist Globalists have created in Ukraine...all because UKR govt did not want to join the EU.

Scary also how so many support the EU/Soros/McCain on here


9 posted on 02/22/2014 1:37:22 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Diversity is just racism against white folks)
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To: SeminoleCounty

Free trade globalists are a myth

Thousands of businesses capable of dealing all over the world tending to their capitalist knitting are the reality.

Isolationist Brigadeers are the bane of capitalism


10 posted on 02/22/2014 1:41:59 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Blackyce

Ignore Alex Jones’ Soros Obsessives!


11 posted on 02/22/2014 1:43:31 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: GeronL

civil war


12 posted on 02/22/2014 1:45:24 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Blackyce

I just read a European Conservative commentator say that this was the kind of uprising that the Western societies are no longer capable of!


13 posted on 02/22/2014 1:46:45 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: icwhatudo

Well in fairness, Governor Dobkin was talking about “not splitting” up Ukraine.

He didn’t say anything about his “not splitting” to Russia.


14 posted on 02/22/2014 1:50:14 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Blackyce

Ridiculous toilet at Yanukovych's palace #euromaidan #Kiev pic.twitter.com/5b4w7zUYNi— Median Line Analysis (@JF991) February 22, 2014

Journos got their hands on black accounting docs dumped in a river at Yanukovych's residence via Dmytro Gnap FB pic.twitter.com/bCuY7efgbO— Maxim Eristavi (@MaximEristavi) February 22, 2014


15 posted on 02/22/2014 1:50:50 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Blackyce

This is turning out to be a partition of Poland-esque standards.


16 posted on 02/22/2014 1:53:32 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi (NOPe to GOPe)
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To: dfwgator

and Vietnam


17 posted on 02/22/2014 2:15:22 PM PST by Ivan Mazepa
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To: SeminoleCounty
"What a mess the Free Trader Communist Globalists have created in Ukraine...all because UKR govt did not want to join the EU."

If I could ban you sad Putinista types from my threads, i'd do it in a heartbeat. Don't come around me spreading your pravda/RT/RN drivel.
18 posted on 02/22/2014 3:13:58 PM PST by Blackyce (French President Jacques Chirac: "As far as I'm concerned, war alwaysmeans failure.")
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To: icwhatudo
Dobkin just fled to Russia:

Dobkin splits -- Ukraine doesn't.

19 posted on 02/22/2014 3:45:31 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Blackyce

Protesters won this battle against Yanukovich and he’s out of Kyiv. If they aggressively chase after him into the Eastern regions, the East might view it as “Banderite invasion”. The thing about his electorate is that their support of him so far is passive and it might not be wise to give them a reason to unite behind him. The message that the protesters have to convey is that their fight is against Yanukovich, not the East.
His authority in the east is being eroded as we speak:
- there are protests in the south-east (they don’t have the critical mass yet, but it’s progress),
- the statues are falling,
- prominent eastern oligarchs stated that they do no support separating from Ukraine
- the mayor of Dnipropetrovsk left the Regions Party and the city council made a statement that they’re against separating from Ukraine, etc.
So it’s likely that this erosion will continue organically until he’s forced to flee.

Or everything above is gibberish, and Maidan Army shouldn’t stop to give him a chance to reorganize. It doesn’t step off the gas pedal until Yanukovich has bullet in his head.


20 posted on 02/22/2014 4:30:10 PM PST by Ivan Mazepa
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To: Blackyce

“If I could ban you sad Putinista types from my threads, i’d do it in a heartbeat. Don’t come around me spreading your pravda/RT/RN drivel.”

So if one knows the evil of the EU and its plan to destroy a country, then that person worships Putin.

Brilliant.


21 posted on 02/22/2014 4:46:21 PM PST by roofgoat
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To: roofgoat

Oh please, educate us with your links to the evil EU/Soros plans.


22 posted on 02/22/2014 4:47:43 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: Blackyce

Mock these ignorant Soros Obsessives, just mock them!


23 posted on 02/22/2014 4:49:34 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: Revolting cat!

Why would you need an education when you can look at what the EU is all about (and the US too) everyday via the internet?

We no longer have to rely on slanted print coverage like we used to; we can see what’s happening all over the world if we find the right sites/sources.

For the Ukrainians, sure Russia is a poison that works quicker, but the EU is just as deadly. It just takes longer via its own theft and unleashing multicultural/diversity worship.


24 posted on 02/22/2014 5:29:15 PM PST by roofgoat
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To: roofgoat

“I don’t know whether to laugh or vomit!” — Hank Hill.

You alleged evil EU plans. Prove it!


25 posted on 02/22/2014 5:43:45 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: roofgoat

“So if one knows the evil of the EU and its plan to destroy a country, then that person worships Putin.”

Vladimir Putin is an evil man in charge of a corrupt post-soviet oligarchy who has openly articulated his plan to subjugate the young, independent democracies of the former soviet union. He has already ripped Georgia apart. It’s really just a matter of time before he does the same in Moldova. He’d like to bring Ukraine into his orbit and keep them poor and compliant just like Belarus, with his Putinista buddies in charge living like kings. But he’d settle for splitting the country and protecting the pro-Russian elements from their “evil”, “fascist/nazi” opponents.

No one who gives two craps about human liberty would argue that Ukraine is better off under Putin’s thumb than it would be with open trade with all of its neighbors. People forget that the issue that began this mess was a trade deal between ukraine and the EU that Russia was opposed to because it felt that its own businesses would have to compete in Ukraine with cheaper, better quality, European and North American goods, which inevitably leak back into Russia, tariff free(Russia and Ukraine have a (mostly) tariff free border). Their main problem wasn’t Ukraine reorienting towards the west, it was the possibility of losing Ukraine as a captive market and the possibility of their oligarch capital owners having to compete directly with free market goods. They ordered Yanukovych to stop the deal, publicly embarrassing him in the process and sparked yet another revolution, Putin’s second major overreach in the same country(The first was when they poisoned yushchenko and tried to help yanukovych rig the 2004 election.)

Ukraine is better off opening itself up to trade with its bordering states like slovakia, hungary, poland, etc, than spending the next half century as a poor buffer state between Russia and the west.


26 posted on 02/22/2014 6:11:41 PM PST by Blackyce (French President Jacques Chirac: "As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure.")
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To: Blackyce

>>>He’d like to bring Ukraine into his orbit and keep them poor and compliant just like Belarus,<<

Ukraine and Belarus economically are Mexico and Canada respectively in relative terms.


27 posted on 02/24/2014 4:17:09 AM PST by cunning_fish
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