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Can We Save the Soul of the GOP?
Townhall.com ^ | Feb 22, 2014 | Steve Deace

Posted on 02/22/2014 3:21:09 PM PST by callthemlikeyouseethem

The “Republican” brand is severely tarnished.

Currently just 25% of Americans identify themselves as “Republicans.” On the other hand, 38% of Americans identify themselves as “conservative,” which is more than any other ideological group by 15 points.

These numbers are prompting a national conversation about how to “save the soul of the Republican Party” among conservatives, or if the party is still worth saving at all.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conservatives; election; gop; soul
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1 posted on 02/22/2014 3:21:09 PM PST by callthemlikeyouseethem
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To: callthemlikeyouseethem

Really? What do you think that would be?

Originally, back in the 1850s, they promised not to get involved in social matters.


2 posted on 02/22/2014 3:22:47 PM PST by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: callthemlikeyouseethem

NO.

There is no ‘saving’ the GOP.

It never was and never will be a Conservative party.

The GOP is now just another arm of the MarxoFascist Democrat regime, it’s infiltration and sabotage apparatus for the Agenda.


3 posted on 02/22/2014 3:23:49 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: callthemlikeyouseethem

We dont need a third party we need a Second Party..


4 posted on 02/22/2014 3:31:44 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: callthemlikeyouseethem
You'll have to define "soul" first.

Words mean something.

5 posted on 02/22/2014 3:35:02 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: knarf

Can we save the Soul of the Nation the hell with the GOP!


6 posted on 02/22/2014 3:37:55 PM PST by DocJhn
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To: callthemlikeyouseethem

Who cares?

The most important concern is this:

“Can we save the Republic?”


7 posted on 02/22/2014 3:39:26 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime." - Lavrentiy Beria (& Eric Holder))
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To: callthemlikeyouseethem

It’s dead, Jim....


8 posted on 02/22/2014 3:39:56 PM PST by datura (Democrat=Communist, GOP=Democrat, TEA=American)
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To: SatinDoll

The GOP is as dead as Algore’s brain.

I misseth them not.


9 posted on 02/22/2014 3:41:14 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: callthemlikeyouseethem

Who cares about the “soul” that represents sucking-up, get-along, reach-across good ole boys? Take the GOPs money and start over with an actual conservative party.


10 posted on 02/22/2014 3:43:47 PM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: callthemlikeyouseethem

... doesn’t this presume the GOP has a soul?


11 posted on 02/22/2014 3:47:53 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: SatinDoll

I’d be more likely to support the GOP if they went back to a “no social issues” approach. Stick to legal matters, rights, and economics.


12 posted on 02/22/2014 4:04:50 PM PST by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, STANDING WITH RAND.)
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To: callthemlikeyouseethem

I guess by “soul” the author means a set of principles or beliefs that distinguish the gop wing of the uniparty from la cosa nostra?


13 posted on 02/22/2014 4:05:26 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Having some small say in who gets to hold the whip doesn't make you any less a slave.)
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To: callthemlikeyouseethem

The Whig party and the Federalists will have company in the trash bin of history.


14 posted on 02/22/2014 4:05:51 PM PST by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, STANDING WITH RAND.)
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To: callthemlikeyouseethem

Can We Save the Soul of the GOP?

No because the GOP has no soul.


15 posted on 02/22/2014 4:33:42 PM PST by WilliamRobert (Obama so loves the poor he created millions more.)
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To: arderkrag

I’d be more likely to support the GOP if they went back to a “no social issues” approach. Stick to legal matters, rights, and economics.


That is the soul of who most of us are. Religious freedom (which includes not paying for the murder of an innocent baby)fighting for that life, living as Jesus taught us which means teaching our children right from wrong, not living a life of sin or condoning others sins.....


16 posted on 02/22/2014 4:38:29 PM PST by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: callthemlikeyouseethem

WHY?


17 posted on 02/22/2014 4:50:12 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: callthemlikeyouseethem

What soul?


18 posted on 02/22/2014 4:51:59 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: callthemlikeyouseethem

Bring back American jobs.

That would be a good start.

Stop importing everything.


19 posted on 02/22/2014 4:53:12 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: callthemlikeyouseethem

Is it worth the attempt?

Perhaps I could buy into the idea of saving the GOP if someone could show me any substantive difference between the GOP and the Democrats.


20 posted on 02/22/2014 4:56:25 PM PST by Fzob (Jesus + anything = nothing, Jesus + nothing = everything)
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To: Fzob

In my humble opinion: I think we should throw the GOP in the trash can, and let the Tea Party forge ahead, BUT and there is a BUT: Only Tea Party people like Ted Cruz and Mike Lee can run the party....we don’t want GOP Rinos involved.....just saying....


21 posted on 02/22/2014 5:03:23 PM PST by HarleyLady27 (Get the USA out of the UN then get the UN out of the USA; send bamaboy back to Kenya ASAP!!!!)
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To: callthemlikeyouseethem

I am much more interested in saving the soul of America than I am about saving the soul of the GOP...Karl Rove and his minions can go pound salt!


22 posted on 02/22/2014 5:08:54 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: SatinDoll
Originally, back in the 1850s, they promised not to get involved in social matters.

The GOP? Marriage law, abuse of women, slavery, were all GOP concerns, I have lost my source but even alcohol use by the Apache was a concern of the party founders.

23 posted on 02/22/2014 5:24:00 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: arderkrag; P-Marlowe

Is the right to life legal or social or both?


24 posted on 02/22/2014 5:29:14 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: callthemlikeyouseethem

RE: “38% of Americans identify themselves as “Conservative.”

Until we find some common agreement about the definition of “Conservative,” polls like this are useless.

I’ve seen polls where 60% of Hispanics describe themselves as “Conservative” and just 20% call themselves “Liberal.”

But - year in, year out - roughly 70% of Hispanics vote for the Democrat Party.


25 posted on 02/22/2014 5:30:16 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

RE: “Stop importing everything.”

Does that include the 20 million Socialist voters we have imported since the Reagan Amnesty in 1986?


26 posted on 02/22/2014 5:32:51 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: ansel12

What they were concerned with, on a state level, was entirely different than on a national level.

Slavery was a violation of “all men are created equal” and was a Federal concern.

Marriage, alcohol, and women’s rights, were being addressed at the state level.

Alcohol use was addressed by Congress, then Constitutional amendments passed were later repealed.

Marriage and medicine are handled by the several states and are not in the purview of the U.S.Constitution.


27 posted on 02/22/2014 5:53:26 PM PST by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: SatinDoll

No, the marriage issue was national when the GOP was started, there was a cult that was practicing polygamy.

The first federal law regarding marriage for the federal government was in 1780.

The party was a national party and just as today, the supporters of a party have the same concerns and interests regardless of the office being voted on.

The Apache treatment of women and use of alcohol was also a federal concern.

Many Americans lived in federal territories, not states.


28 posted on 02/22/2014 6:07:16 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: SatinDoll

Slavery was a state issue when the GOP was founded.


29 posted on 02/22/2014 6:08:22 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: callthemlikeyouseethem

Only if that soul puts the welfare of the country first and foremost ahead of any other considerations.

Ah, but I’m dreaming — being a politician is such a lucrative business.


30 posted on 02/22/2014 6:21:17 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: ansel12

Ansel, the issues I brought up are clearly not powers the Federal Government possesses: marriage and medicine are not part of the Federal powers. Those are powers left for the states.

There have been many instances of Congress passing laws that are clearly not Constitutional - like ACA and DOMA.

As for slavery, it is a crime against God, and the Declaration of Independence clearly stated that all men are created equal; an inalienable right. The fact that some states had businessmen who made money trafficking in human bondage and misery, and based it all on unconstitutional state laws is not my concern.

You should know better.


31 posted on 02/22/2014 6:41:04 PM PST by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: 353FMG

You hit on the source of evil in today’s culture - the desire for money and wealth.


32 posted on 02/22/2014 6:42:24 PM PST by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: callthemlikeyouseethem

Some of the discussions I’ve had with “Republicans”, they don’t even know that they need to be saved. “It’s all the Tea Parties fault” or why do you want to tear down the party?

There is some work to be done.


33 posted on 02/22/2014 7:55:13 PM PST by CPT Clay (Follow me on Twitter @Clay N TX)
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To: SatinDoll
" they promised not to get involved in social matters.

Now you are abandoning that claim it looks like, I would like to see your source for the claim before you slip away from it.

34 posted on 02/22/2014 8:06:35 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: arderkrag

Aside from your pro-abortion pro-gay support, that would be the end of the GOP, you social liberals already support the democrats, to the tune of about 80%.

You also don’t understand that conservative economics cannot exist with social liberalism, as long as we vote for our government. Sodom and Gomorrah isn’t going to vote for small government and low taxes and ending welfare.


35 posted on 02/22/2014 8:38:22 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: ansel12

If you knew anything whatsoever about me, you would know that’s a foolish statement. Abortion is a rights issue. Everyone has a right to life. And Ilm not pro-gay, I simply don’t care what people do to each other in bedrooms/hedgerows/etc.


36 posted on 02/22/2014 9:27:52 PM PST by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, STANDING WITH RAND.)
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To: xzins

Legal, purely.


37 posted on 02/22/2014 9:28:27 PM PST by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, STANDING WITH RAND.)
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To: callthemlikeyouseethem
The moment I heard that career long abortion supporter Mitt Romney got the GOP nod I declared the GOP dead.

It is now simply just dying a slow pathetic death.

Very sad but no stopping it.

The GOP is late to it's own funeral, but it is pining for the fjords.

38 posted on 02/22/2014 9:34:22 PM PST by Manic_Episode (GOP = The Whig Party)
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To: arderkrag
I’d be more likely to support the GOP if they went back to a “no social issues” approach.

I know that you get on a conservative political forum to try and get those conservatives to participate in your struggle to turn the pro-life pro-marriage party into a pro-abortion, pro-gay, pro-liberal, no-God, party.

If you are against abortion, then you would be fighting to strengthen the pro-life position of the party, not end it.

39 posted on 02/22/2014 9:35:21 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: ansel12

A pro-life position is a legal one, not a social one. Like all of the other things you list. If you can’t oppose it on legal, rights-based grounds, you shouldn’t be fighting it.


40 posted on 02/22/2014 9:40:46 PM PST by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, STANDING WITH RAND.)
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To: arderkrag

I don’t know what you were trying to say, but I imagine it was another way of trying to promote abortion, gay power, and anti-God social liberalism.


41 posted on 02/22/2014 9:52:28 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: callthemlikeyouseethem
Probably the only thing allowing the GOP the tenuous existence it still has is the fear of the Democrats that dwells within the hearts and minds of reasonable American voters. That is perhaps 30% of the electorate.

There is also the understandable fear of a Third Party, something like the Ross Perot Problem that gave BJ Clinton two terms. This is the trick of the century ... how to allow the Republican Party to die without handing the reins over to the Democrats for at least half of the century. If that happens, in all likelihood there will be no republic left for the 22 Century.

IMNVHO, it is not reasonable to assume that the GOP will "reform" itself. The deal incumbent Establishment Republicans have is simply too good a deal for them to give up. The GOP will have to be voted out of existence.

So far, no one has a viable idea of how the Hell that is supposed to happen. Are ww wrking on it?

42 posted on 02/22/2014 10:04:39 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Don't let the aftershave and embalming fluid fool you. Many RINOs are actually dead meat.)
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To: ansel12

What I was saying, obviously, was that the party should be pro-life, but on a legal, rights-based strategy, not a social one.


43 posted on 02/22/2014 10:37:12 PM PST by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, STANDING WITH RAND.)
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To: arderkrag

I don’t know what that means either, it is a political party, it elects people to decide law.


44 posted on 02/22/2014 10:45:36 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: ansel12

I’m not abandoning anything. Social legislation belongs at the State level, not the Federal level. The states are doing a good job of curtailing abortion, for example.

The states were meant to be “laboratories” for social legislation, to see what worked and what did not work.

Too bad that wasn’t done for prohibition. We could have, as a nation, saved a lot of trouble and money.

The statement was found on a blog concerning the founding of the Republican Party. And I have tried to find it again after my computer was hacked, again, last year but no luck.

Does this mean I want the Republican Party to refuse to support social conservatism? No, it does not. I want us to win nationally and concentrate on conservative issues that will appeal to most Americans.


45 posted on 02/22/2014 11:23:35 PM PST by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: SatinDoll

You have to abandon that silly claim that the Republican party “”Originally, back in the 1850s, they promised not to get involved in social matters.””.

For one, they wanted slavery to be made against the law, just as we want abortion to be made against the law, they were for preserving marriage, just like now.

You already have the libertarian and democrat party if you are a social liberal, conservatives will continue to fight to keep the GOP a conservative party, in fact more so, we are trying to turn it right, not left, as you are.

Your last paragraph didn’t make any sense, unless you are agreeing with me and conservatives.


46 posted on 02/22/2014 11:44:55 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: ansel12
You already have the libertarian and democrat party if you are a social liberal, conservatives will continue to fight to keep the GOP a conservative party, in fact more so, we are trying to turn it right, not left, as you are.

Replacing left-wing authoritarianism with right-wing authoritarianism is not the answer.

I'll remained focused on Liberty, which transcends the phony left-right political spectrum.

I'm not interested in being bounced between competing visions of Tyranny, which is what has been happening in America for at least the last century. I reject any embrace of Tyranny, whether it be "conservative", "liberal", or any other label...

47 posted on 02/23/2014 12:22:30 AM PST by sargon (I don't like the sound of these here Boncentration Bamps!)
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To: sargon

LOL, you must despise the pre-1960s America before you guys moved the nation so far left and destroyed our culture and traditions, and made it a social liberal paradise that the left loves.


48 posted on 02/23/2014 12:25:09 AM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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WE 'Conservatives' have yet to see you, 'LIBERALS', renounce the clowns on the left.

We 'Conservatives' are not holding our breath.

THIS is what makes us different than you.

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To: arderkrag

Jefferson wrote: “Endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, and that among these are LIFE...”


50 posted on 02/23/2014 2:00:16 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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