Skip to comments.Can We Save the Soul of the GOP?
Posted on 02/22/2014 3:21:09 PM PST by callthemlikeyouseethem
The Republican brand is severely tarnished.
Currently just 25% of Americans identify themselves as Republicans. On the other hand, 38% of Americans identify themselves as conservative, which is more than any other ideological group by 15 points.
These numbers are prompting a national conversation about how to save the soul of the Republican Party among conservatives, or if the party is still worth saving at all.
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Really? What do you think that would be?
Originally, back in the 1850s, they promised not to get involved in social matters.
There is no ‘saving’ the GOP.
It never was and never will be a Conservative party.
The GOP is now just another arm of the MarxoFascist Democrat regime, it’s infiltration and sabotage apparatus for the Agenda.
We dont need a third party we need a Second Party..
Words mean something.
Can we save the Soul of the Nation the hell with the GOP!
The most important concern is this:
“Can we save the Republic?”
It’s dead, Jim....
The GOP is as dead as Algore’s brain.
I misseth them not.
Who cares about the “soul” that represents sucking-up, get-along, reach-across good ole boys? Take the GOPs money and start over with an actual conservative party.
... doesn’t this presume the GOP has a soul?
I’d be more likely to support the GOP if they went back to a “no social issues” approach. Stick to legal matters, rights, and economics.
I guess by “soul” the author means a set of principles or beliefs that distinguish the gop wing of the uniparty from la cosa nostra?
The Whig party and the Federalists will have company in the trash bin of history.
Can We Save the Soul of the GOP?
No because the GOP has no soul.
Id be more likely to support the GOP if they went back to a no social issues approach. Stick to legal matters, rights, and economics.
That is the soul of who most of us are. Religious freedom (which includes not paying for the murder of an innocent baby)fighting for that life, living as Jesus taught us which means teaching our children right from wrong, not living a life of sin or condoning others sins.....
Bring back American jobs.
That would be a good start.
Stop importing everything.
Is it worth the attempt?
Perhaps I could buy into the idea of saving the GOP if someone could show me any substantive difference between the GOP and the Democrats.
In my humble opinion: I think we should throw the GOP in the trash can, and let the Tea Party forge ahead, BUT and there is a BUT: Only Tea Party people like Ted Cruz and Mike Lee can run the party....we don’t want GOP Rinos involved.....just saying....
I am much more interested in saving the soul of America than I am about saving the soul of the GOP...Karl Rove and his minions can go pound salt!
The GOP? Marriage law, abuse of women, slavery, were all GOP concerns, I have lost my source but even alcohol use by the Apache was a concern of the party founders.
Is the right to life legal or social or both?
RE: “38% of Americans identify themselves as “Conservative.”
Until we find some common agreement about the definition of “Conservative,” polls like this are useless.
I’ve seen polls where 60% of Hispanics describe themselves as “Conservative” and just 20% call themselves “Liberal.”
But - year in, year out - roughly 70% of Hispanics vote for the Democrat Party.
RE: “Stop importing everything.”
Does that include the 20 million Socialist voters we have imported since the Reagan Amnesty in 1986?
What they were concerned with, on a state level, was entirely different than on a national level.
Slavery was a violation of “all men are created equal” and was a Federal concern.
Marriage, alcohol, and women’s rights, were being addressed at the state level.
Alcohol use was addressed by Congress, then Constitutional amendments passed were later repealed.
Marriage and medicine are handled by the several states and are not in the purview of the U.S.Constitution.
No, the marriage issue was national when the GOP was started, there was a cult that was practicing polygamy.
The first federal law regarding marriage for the federal government was in 1780.
The party was a national party and just as today, the supporters of a party have the same concerns and interests regardless of the office being voted on.
The Apache treatment of women and use of alcohol was also a federal concern.
Many Americans lived in federal territories, not states.
Slavery was a state issue when the GOP was founded.
Only if that soul puts the welfare of the country first and foremost ahead of any other considerations.
Ah, but I’m dreaming — being a politician is such a lucrative business.
Ansel, the issues I brought up are clearly not powers the Federal Government possesses: marriage and medicine are not part of the Federal powers. Those are powers left for the states.
There have been many instances of Congress passing laws that are clearly not Constitutional - like ACA and DOMA.
As for slavery, it is a crime against God, and the Declaration of Independence clearly stated that all men are created equal; an inalienable right. The fact that some states had businessmen who made money trafficking in human bondage and misery, and based it all on unconstitutional state laws is not my concern.
You should know better.
You hit on the source of evil in today’s culture - the desire for money and wealth.
Some of the discussions I’ve had with “Republicans”, they don’t even know that they need to be saved. “It’s all the Tea Parties fault” or why do you want to tear down the party?
There is some work to be done.
Now you are abandoning that claim it looks like, I would like to see your source for the claim before you slip away from it.
Aside from your pro-abortion pro-gay support, that would be the end of the GOP, you social liberals already support the democrats, to the tune of about 80%.
You also don’t understand that conservative economics cannot exist with social liberalism, as long as we vote for our government. Sodom and Gomorrah isn’t going to vote for small government and low taxes and ending welfare.
If you knew anything whatsoever about me, you would know that’s a foolish statement. Abortion is a rights issue. Everyone has a right to life. And Ilm not pro-gay, I simply don’t care what people do to each other in bedrooms/hedgerows/etc.
It is now simply just dying a slow pathetic death.
Very sad but no stopping it.
The GOP is late to it's own funeral, but it is pining for the fjords.
I know that you get on a conservative political forum to try and get those conservatives to participate in your struggle to turn the pro-life pro-marriage party into a pro-abortion, pro-gay, pro-liberal, no-God, party.
If you are against abortion, then you would be fighting to strengthen the pro-life position of the party, not end it.
A pro-life position is a legal one, not a social one. Like all of the other things you list. If you can’t oppose it on legal, rights-based grounds, you shouldn’t be fighting it.
I don’t know what you were trying to say, but I imagine it was another way of trying to promote abortion, gay power, and anti-God social liberalism.
There is also the understandable fear of a Third Party, something like the Ross Perot Problem that gave BJ Clinton two terms. This is the trick of the century ... how to allow the Republican Party to die without handing the reins over to the Democrats for at least half of the century. If that happens, in all likelihood there will be no republic left for the 22 Century.
IMNVHO, it is not reasonable to assume that the GOP will "reform" itself. The deal incumbent Establishment Republicans have is simply too good a deal for them to give up. The GOP will have to be voted out of existence.
So far, no one has a viable idea of how the Hell that is supposed to happen. Are ww wrking on it?
What I was saying, obviously, was that the party should be pro-life, but on a legal, rights-based strategy, not a social one.
I don’t know what that means either, it is a political party, it elects people to decide law.
I’m not abandoning anything. Social legislation belongs at the State level, not the Federal level. The states are doing a good job of curtailing abortion, for example.
The states were meant to be “laboratories” for social legislation, to see what worked and what did not work.
Too bad that wasn’t done for prohibition. We could have, as a nation, saved a lot of trouble and money.
The statement was found on a blog concerning the founding of the Republican Party. And I have tried to find it again after my computer was hacked, again, last year but no luck.
Does this mean I want the Republican Party to refuse to support social conservatism? No, it does not. I want us to win nationally and concentrate on conservative issues that will appeal to most Americans.
You have to abandon that silly claim that the Republican party “”Originally, back in the 1850s, they promised not to get involved in social matters.””.
For one, they wanted slavery to be made against the law, just as we want abortion to be made against the law, they were for preserving marriage, just like now.
You already have the libertarian and democrat party if you are a social liberal, conservatives will continue to fight to keep the GOP a conservative party, in fact more so, we are trying to turn it right, not left, as you are.
Your last paragraph didn’t make any sense, unless you are agreeing with me and conservatives.
Replacing left-wing authoritarianism with right-wing authoritarianism is not the answer.
I'll remained focused on Liberty, which transcends the phony left-right political spectrum.
I'm not interested in being bounced between competing visions of Tyranny, which is what has been happening in America for at least the last century. I reject any embrace of Tyranny, whether it be "conservative", "liberal", or any other label...
LOL, you must despise the pre-1960s America before you guys moved the nation so far left and destroyed our culture and traditions, and made it a social liberal paradise that the left loves.
Jefferson wrote: “Endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, and that among these are LIFE...”