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Muslims Demand "Right of Return" to Spain
Gatestone Institute ^ | February 21, 2014 | Soeren Kern

Posted on 02/22/2014 6:49:52 PM PST by DogByte6RER

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Muslims Demand "Right of Return" to Spain

Muslim groups are demanding Spanish citizenship for potentially millions of descendants of Muslims who were expelled from Spain during the Middle Ages.

The growing clamor for "historical justice" comes after the recent approval of a law that would grant Spanish citizenship to descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492.

Muslim supporters say they are entitled to the same rights and privileges as Jews because both groups were expelled from Spain under similar historical circumstances.

But historians point out that the Jewish presence in Spain predates the arrival of Christianity in the country and that their expulsion was a matter of bigotry. By contrast, the Muslims in Spain were colonial occupiers who called the territory Al-Andalus and imposed Arabic as the official language. Historians say their expulsion was a matter of decolonization.

In any event, the descendants of Muslims expelled from Spain are believed to number in the millions—possibly tens of millions—and most of them now live in North Africa. Observers say that by granting citizenship to all of them, Spain, virtually overnight, would end up with the largest Muslim population in the European Union.

Much of the Iberian Peninsula was occupied by Muslim conquerors known as the Moors from 711 until 1492, when the Moorish Kingdom of Granada surrendered to the Catholic Monarchs of Spain (Isabella I of Castile and Ferdinand II of Aragon), in what is known as the Christian Reconquest.

But the final Muslim expulsion from Granada did not take place until over a century later, beginning in 1609, when King Philip III decreed the expulsion of the Moriscos.

The Moriscos—Moors who decided to convert to Catholicism after the Reconquest rather than leave Spain—were suspected of being nominal Catholics who continued to practice Islam in secret. From 1609 through 1614, the Spanish monarchy forced an estimated 350,000 Moriscos to leave Spain for Muslim North Africa.

Today, up to five million descendants of the Moriscos are living in Morocco alone; there are millions more living in Algeria, Egypt, Libya, Mauritania, Tunisia and Turkey.

In a recent essay published by the Morocco-based newspaper Correo Diplomático, the Morisco-Moroccan journalist Ahmed Bensalh wrote that the "decision to grant Spanish citizenship to the grandchildren of the Hebrews in Spain in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries, while ignoring the Moriscos, the grandsons of the Muslims, is without doubt, flagrant segregation and unquestionable discrimination, as both communities suffered equally in Spain at that time. The decision could also be considered by the international community to be an historic act of absolute immorality and injustice ... This decision is absolutely disgraceful and dishonorable."

Bensalh then went on to threaten Spain: "Is Spain aware of what might be assumed when it makes peace with some and not with others? Is Spain aware of what this decision could cost? Has Spain considered that it could jeopardize the massive investments that Muslims have made on its territory? Does Spain have alternatives to the foreign investment from Muslims if they ever decide to move that capital to other destinations due to the discrimination against Muslims?"

Bensalh is one of many Muslim journalists, historians and academics who are demanding that Spain treat Moriscos the same way it treats Sephardic Jews.

Consider Jamal Bin Ammar al-Ahmar, an "Andalus-Algerian" university professor at the Ferhat Abbas University in Sétif in northeastern Algeria. Al-Ahmar has been engaged in a six-year campaign to persuade Spanish King Juan Carlos to identify and condemn those who expelled the Muslims from Al-Andalus in the fifteenth century. Al-Ahmar is also demanding that millions of descendants of the Moriscos expelled from Spain be allowed to return there.

In a letter addressed to the Spanish monarch, Al-Ahmar calls for a "full legal and historical investigation of the war crimes that were perpetrated on the Muslim population of Andalusia by the French, English, European and papal crusaders, whose victims were our poor miserable people, after the collapse of Islamic rule in Andalusia."

The letter speaks of "the injustice inflicted on the Muslim population of Andalusia who are still suffering in the diaspora in exile since 1492."

Al-Ahmar wants the Spanish monarch to apologize "on behalf of his ancestors" and to assume "responsibility for the consequences" this would entail. He says it is necessary "to identify criminals, to convict retroactively, while at the same time to identify and compensate victims for their calamities and restore their titles." This process would culminate with "a decree that allows immigrants to return to their homes in Andalusia, and grant them full citizenship rights and restoration of all their properties."

The Moroccan historian Hasan Aourid believes Spain has a policy of "double standards" vis-à-vis the Moriscos. Aourid—who recently wrote a novel, entitled "The Moriscos," to "remember the tragedy of those expelled from Al-Andalus"—told an audience at the Casablanca International Book Fair that Spain cannot become "reconciled with itself without recognizing its Moorish dimension" and asked if "the suffering was lower for Muslims than for Jews."

The Association for the Historical Legacy of Al-Andalus, a group dedicated to reviving the memory of the Muslim presence in Spain, says the Spanish government should treat Muslims and Jews the same way. By failing to offer Spanish citizenship to both groups, Muslims would become victims of "selective racism," said the president of the association, Bayib Loubaris.

Spain is unlikely to concede to these demands anytime soon. While few deny there are potentially millions of descendants of Moriscos living in North Africa today, the challenge lies in reconstructing reliable genealogies to determine legitimate heirs.

The issue of who is a Morisco and who is not will be a topic for discussion at a major international conference—"The Descendants of the Andalusian Moriscos in Morocco, Spain and Portugal"—to be held in Tangier from April 4-6, 2014.

But even if such genealogies could be compiled, calls to naturalize the descendants of expelled Muslims are sure to be opposed for another reason: the fact that the expulsion of the Muslims was part of a war to end the occupation of Spain by North African invaders.

Jose Ribeiro e Castro, a Portuguese lawmaker who drafted Portugal's law of return for Sephardic Jews, puts it this way: "Persecution of Jews was just that, while what happened with the Arabs was part of a conflict. There is no basis for comparison."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: crusades; deathtoislam; dhimmitude; eurabia; europeanunion; granada; islam; islamofascism; jihad; muhammadsminions; muslims; rightofreturn; sharia; spain; waronterror; westernciv
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1 posted on 02/22/2014 6:49:52 PM PST by DogByte6RER
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To: DogByte6RER
Why isn't it apparent, that Muslims screw every place up in whence they reside? The Spanish had better on point on this, or they are toast.

And I like the idea of decolonization. It can work here too.

2 posted on 02/22/2014 6:56:06 PM PST by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: DogByte6RER

That would be absolute idiocy for the Spanish government.


3 posted on 02/22/2014 6:56:16 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: DogByte6RER

http://www.flashfictiononline.com/fpublic0039-watchtower-lord-dunsany.html

Short story by Lord Dunsany. It concerns a ghost on a watch tower in Provence who watches for a Saracen invasion. The narrator tries to convince the ghost that he can rest. It’s the 20th century. The Saracens are not going to invade. They aren’t coming.

The ghost is not so easily fooled: “The Saracens! You do not know their cunning. That was ever the way of the Saracens. They do not come for a while, no not they, for a long while, and then one day they come.”


4 posted on 02/22/2014 7:01:12 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: DogByte6RER

If the leftist idiots in Spain are anything like our leftist idiots, they’ll be marching right alongside the muslims & putting ‘equality’ bumper stickers on their Priuses.


5 posted on 02/22/2014 7:05:55 PM PST by skeeter
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To: DogByte6RER

Decolonization took 800 years the first time. This would be the dumbest idea ever.


6 posted on 02/22/2014 7:07:06 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Salvavida

dear moosies man uo and embrace the suck.


7 posted on 02/22/2014 7:07:41 PM PST by bravo whiskey (We should not fear our government. Our government should fear us.)
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To: bravo whiskey

moozlums demand...

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahah!


8 posted on 02/22/2014 7:10:54 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: bravo whiskey

The mooselimbs should all return to the Saudi desert where their cult started and stay there.


9 posted on 02/22/2014 7:11:39 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: DogByte6RER
Let me get this straight.

The Muslims invaded Spain 1300 years ago. They trashed the place and murdered the people who already lived there.

Then, over the course of a few hundred years, the natives got tired of being mistreated. They organized their own forces and kicked the Muslims out. In the process, a whole lot of people lost their lives, on both sides.

Now, more than a thousand years later, 40+ generations down the pike, the distant relatives of those earlier invaders want citizenship in the country they couldn't successfully hold on to?

What am I missing here?

10 posted on 02/22/2014 7:11:54 PM PST by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: Salvavida

Muslims destroy the culture of wherever they conquer and replace it with their perverted sharia law.


11 posted on 02/22/2014 7:15:17 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: DogByte6RER

They didn’t expect the Spanish Inquisition.


12 posted on 02/22/2014 7:17:48 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Salvavida

The distinction is that the Jews were wrongly expelled.


13 posted on 02/22/2014 7:19:31 PM PST by Defiant (Let the Tea Party win, and we will declare peace on the American people and go home.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Fislam


14 posted on 02/22/2014 7:20:17 PM PST by PGalt
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To: Defiant
"The distinction is that the Jews were wrongly expelled." Exactly.
15 posted on 02/22/2014 7:22:20 PM PST by Blackyce (French President Jacques Chirac: "As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure.")
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To: DogByte6RER

-——Muslim supporters say they are entitled to the same rights and privileges as Jews because both groups were expelled from Spain under similar historical circumstances.-——

Since that is a bold face lie...the premise is false and invalid...

The Jews didn’t invade Spain and subjugate the population as dhimmis for hundreds of years....

The Jews did not force mass conversion under the threat of death....


16 posted on 02/22/2014 7:31:26 PM PST by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Steely Tom
Now, more than a thousand years later, 40+ generations down the pike, the distant relatives of those earlier invaders want citizenship in the country they couldn't successfully hold on to?

What am I missing here?

You are missing the modern liberal thinking that is singlehandedly responsible for Islamization of Europe in 20th century.

17 posted on 02/22/2014 7:32:38 PM PST by Greysard
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To: skeeter

And after everyone else’s head has been chopped off it will be the turn of the lefties to lose theirs.


18 posted on 02/22/2014 7:41:39 PM PST by jmacusa ("Chasing God out of the classroom didn't usher in The Age of Reason''.)
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To: DogByte6RER

The Jews were a peaceful peoples.

The warring Moors were conquerers who had their as handed to them .

They are demanding A Reqoncuista and can go to he’ll and burn


19 posted on 02/22/2014 7:55:23 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: DogByte6RER
welcome home


20 posted on 02/22/2014 8:05:01 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: Vendome

I will go to Spain and fight against those bastards retaking Granada and all those cathedrals, even if the Spanish don’t. That land belongs to Christendom.


21 posted on 02/22/2014 8:08:50 PM PST by Defiant (Let the Tea Party win, and we will declare peace on the American people and go home.)
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To: Steely Tom

not 1,000 years ago..

the Moslems were kicked out in 1492 by King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella...

the parents of Katherine of Aragon, the first wife of Henry VIII of England..

the same king and queen who sent Columbus to the New World...

Moslems who had Spanish nobility ancestors should be able to prove their direct family lines..

Now if the illegal aliens in the US would demand “Right of Return” and go back to Mexico, this idea would greatly benefit our country...


22 posted on 02/22/2014 8:10:03 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: jmacusa

“The growing clamor for “historical justice” comes after the recent approval of a law that would grant Spanish citizenship to descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492.”

The law recognizing as Spanish citizens the descendants of the Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492 is not recent, was Franco who did it during the Holocaust opening the doors of Spain and saving the lives of more than 60,000 Jews.

During the entire war, especially after 1942, the Spanish borders were more or less kept open for Jewish refugees from Vichy France and Nazi-occupied territories in Europe. Franco’s diplomats extended their diplomatic protection over Sephardic Jews in Hungary, Slovakia and the Balkans. Spain was a safe haven for all Jewish refugees and antisemitism was not official policy under the Franco.

FRANCISCO FRANCO, BENEFACTOR OF THE JEWS:

However general history may judge him, in Jewish history, Franco shall certainly occupy a special place... Jews should honor and bless the memory of this great benefactor of the Jewish people...who neither sought nor reaped any benefit from what he did.

—From a four page obituary in The American Sephardi Journal of the Sephardic Studies Program of Yeshiva University, volume IX, 1978.

James Michener in Iberia, 1968, page 547: “...Generalissimo Franco is highly regarded by Jews; during the worst days of World War II, when pressures from Hitler were at their heaviest, Franco refused to issue anti-Jewish edicts and instead provided a sanctuary, never violated, for Jews who managed to make it to Spain. Many thousands of Jews owe their lives to Franco, and this is not forgotten.”

In Resolutions of the War Emergency Conference of the World Jewish Congress, Atlantic City, New Jersey, November 26-30, 1944, page 15: “The War Emergency Conference extends its gratitude to the Holy See and to the Governments of Sweden, Switzerland, and Spain... for the protection they offered under difficult conditions to the persecuted Jews of Hungary...”

In the Congressional Record of January 24, 1950, Rep. Abraham Multer quotes a spokesman for the Joint Distribution Committee: “During the height of Hitler’s blood baths, upwards of 60,000 Jews had been saved by the generosity of Spanish authorities.”

Newsweek, March 2, 1970: “...a respected U.S. rabbi has come forward with surprising evidence that tens of thousands of Jews were saved from Nazi ovens by the personal intervention of an unlikely protector. “I have absolute proof that Franco saved more than 60,000 Jews during World War II,” says Rabbi Chaim Lipscitz of Brooklyn’s Torah Vodaath and Mesitva rabbinical seminary.


23 posted on 02/22/2014 8:16:56 PM PST by Dqban22
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To: DogByte6RER

Hmmm... Will they —all— go there?

I have an idea...


24 posted on 02/22/2014 8:19:38 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: DogByte6RER
"reconquesta"
Molon Labe...let 'em back in and swing from
an rope...same for the Mehicans..nice pic.

25 posted on 02/22/2014 8:19:59 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: Popman
-——Muslim supporters say they are entitled to the same rights and privileges as Jews because both groups were expelled from Spain under similar historical circumstances.-——

If you use the same logic, the entire Middle East belongs to the Jews. The Jews were in all of the inhabited Middle East and North Africa before the Muslim Religion existed and a few thousand years before the birth of Mohammed.

26 posted on 02/22/2014 8:29:41 PM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: Steely Tom
What am I missing here?

Muslim logic.

27 posted on 02/22/2014 8:30:30 PM PST by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Historical Justice aka Social Justice.


28 posted on 02/22/2014 8:33:24 PM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Steely Tom

That muslims are dirty cult pirates???


29 posted on 02/22/2014 9:09:25 PM PST by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: DogByte6RER

All muslims need to be expelled from all countries they have invaded or migrated to in the last 1000 yrs . Where is Ghenghis Khan when you need him ?


30 posted on 02/22/2014 9:16:53 PM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: Billthedrill

31 posted on 02/22/2014 9:17:06 PM PST by BBell (The Blue Dog is Stupid)
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To: Dqban22

Isabel and Ferdinand liberated and saved Spain from their Muslim conquerors. Franco saved Spain from the communists and the Nazis. He walked a fine line in World War II. His actions relative to Nazi Germany were pragmatic as were the Swiss. Franco’s actions relative to the Jews was heroic. He deserves a place in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Righteous_Among_the_Nations
but that will never happen.

Franco groomed Juan Carlos (a Bourbon of Royal heritage) to be his heir to power and King of Spain. When Franco died this happened. Juan Carlos never indicated his true hope for Spain all those years he was under Franco’s tutelege. Franco raised like a son.

Once Juan Carlos assumed the throne and had near dictatorial power over Spain he quickly gave democracy to Spain for it first time in history. This resulted in a Coup de Tat by the Military. They had the guns, and the power to do anything they wanted. Juan Carlos had nothing except the support of the people. Spain was on the precipice of a second civil war.

King Juan Carlos gave a nationally televised address denouncing the coup and urging the maintenance of law and the continuance of the democratically elected government. The coup soon collapsed. After holding the Parliament and cabinet hostage for 18 hours the hostage-takers surrendered the next morning without having harmed anyone.

The Generals leading the Coup were old men at this time. They remembered the horror of the Spanish Civil War when they were young men in arms those years ago. They loved Spain and Franco those many years ago. Fortunately they stilled loved Spain. Though they had the Army, the weapons and everything to impose their will, they stood down.
They loved Spain and would not subject her to the horrors they endured and also inflected those many years ago.

When Juan Carlos addressed the Nation on Television that night, he knew he could be a dead man before the sun rose the next day. He loved Spain and those Generals that opposed him also did. No one died, and Spain remained free.

Franco saved Spain from the Communists and is a hero. After the civil war in Spain democracy was totally impossible due to instability in Europe and the looming World War II. Franco did not understand that Spain needed saving from him at the end of World War II.

Juan Carlos saved Spain from Franco and Generals that opposed freedom in Spain. Juan Carlos is a great man and a hero. This will never be noted in history with the exception of a few Spanish scholars.

ps
If you ever visit Spain and do not Speak Spanish you will find it a wonderful and delightful place.

If you visit Spain and can Speak Spanish you will find a culture and people that will amaze you. Rent a car and go where the Middle Class Spanish take there holidays. Talk to the old men and women. The young are much like the young in our country.

Madrid and Barcelona are good to visit because of their history and museums. But, they are big cities with all the problems of our big cities. The small villages and small towns of Spain are wonderful. When we go to Spain we rent a car and leave the City and find places to stay and visit. It is nice, very nice.

We should look to Spain for its history. There are many things to be admired and also many to be abhorred as also in our history. If we do not we will be condemned to repeat Spain’s and our own horrible errors.


32 posted on 02/22/2014 9:38:46 PM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: DogByte6RER

The flannelheads are entitled to all the bowls of fishheads and pea gravel they can eat. On second thought hold the fishheads and double up on the pea gravel.


33 posted on 02/22/2014 9:59:53 PM PST by Free in Texas (Member of the Bitter Clingers Association.)
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To: DogByte6RER

From where a Nazi/Islamic shoulder has set foot he shall never retreat.


34 posted on 02/22/2014 10:07:42 PM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Dqban22

bkmk


35 posted on 02/22/2014 10:32:58 PM PST by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: cpdiii; MinuteGal

“adrid and Barcelona are good to visit because of their history and museums.”

Actually, I was in Barcelona, and I loved it. So much to do and so much Art Nouveau. In particular, Gaudi. And the countryside is beautiful. I’d go back in a heartbeat if I were younger. Plus during the summer you could fry an egg on the street during the day. So you stay up all night instead. Good idea.


36 posted on 02/22/2014 10:45:27 PM PST by flaglady47 (Proud Conservative Republican)
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To: DogByte6RER

Muslims are a cancer.


37 posted on 02/23/2014 4:23:55 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks DogByte6RER. Spain needs to point out that anyone can move to Spain if they plan to abide by Spanish laws and don’t have a violent criminal history.


38 posted on 02/23/2014 7:22:32 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: cpdiii

EXCELLENT YOUR COMMENTARY. THANK YOU

“HITLER STOPPED BY FRANCO” by Jane Boyar and Burt Boyar is an eye opening eyes book to be read by those in search of truth.

General Franco of Spain stopped Adolf Hitler in 1940. N.Y. Times #1 Best Selling authors Jane and Burt Boyar document this stunning fact: Spain, the weakest nation in Europe, defied the mighty Nazi war machine and altered forever the course of modern history. Here is the story - with all its intrigue and secret liaisons - of how General Francisco Franco denied to Adolf Hitler the strategy that would have won World War II for the fuhrer. And, while refusing Hitler’s demands, Franco literally saved the lives of more than sixty thousand Jews, giving them refuge from the Nazis, despite enormous risk to himself and Spain. When asked by his Foreign Minister, “What will Hitler think if we do this? Franco replied, “What will God think if we don’t?”


39 posted on 02/23/2014 7:30:37 AM PST by Dqban22
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To: DogByte6RER

“is without doubt, flagrant segregation and unquestionable discrimination”

so be it, it is form of “affirmative” discrimination, positively for descendants of people who had long been a peaceful part of Spain - Spanish Jews, and negatively for descendants of people who had been colonial conquerers of Spain ruling over the native population


40 posted on 02/23/2014 10:04:12 AM PST by Wuli
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To: cpdiii

In 1944, when the allies had in reach the win in the second World War:

The greatest compliment to grant it, “without any doubt, was the Spanish decision to stay out of the war. ...The critical moment passed; the battle of Britain was won. ...Another very serious crisis happened... before the Torch operation, i.e. before the landing of the forces of the United States and Britain in the North of Africa. (...) I have to say that I shall take it that Spain paid then a service not only to the United Kingdom, the British Empire and the Commonwealth, but the cause of the United Nations. For this reason do not sympathize with those who believe intelligent, and even funny, insult and offend the Government of Spain in any occasion”(Winston Churchill, British Prime Minister during World War II.)

In Winston Churchill’s “The Second World War”, Vol.2: Their Finest Hour Pages 519-530, the British Prime Minister wrote that last possibility of Hitler’s triumph was foiled by Franco:

“It is fashionable at the present time to dwell on the vices of General Franco and I am glad therefore to place on record this testimony of duplicity.. I shall presently record even greater services which… General Franco rendered the Allied cause.”


41 posted on 02/23/2014 1:26:36 PM PST by Dqban22
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To: CaptainK

“Muslim logic’’. A contradiction in terms if ever there was one.


42 posted on 02/23/2014 5:12:12 PM PST by jmacusa ("Chasing God out of the classroom didn't usher in The Age of Reason''.)
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