Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Chronic fatigue syndrome from vagus nerve infection: A psychoneuroimmunological hypothesis
Medical Hypotheses ^ | June 21, 2013 | Michael B. VanElzakker

Posted on 02/22/2014 7:00:16 PM PST by Seizethecarp

Chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) is an often-debilitating condition of unknown origin. There is a general consensus among CFS researchers that the symptoms seem to reflect an ongoing immune response, perhaps due to viral infection. Thus, most CFS research has focused upon trying to uncover that putative immune system dysfunction or specific pathogenic agent. However, no single causative agent has been found. In this speculative article, I describe a new hypothesis for the etiology of CFS: infection of the vagus nerve. When immune cells of otherwise healthy individuals detect any peripheral infection, they release proinflammatory cytokines. Chemoreceptors of the sensory vagus nerve detect these localized proinflammatory cytokines, and send a signal to the brain to initiate sickness behavior. Sickness behavior is an involuntary response that includes fatigue, fever, myalgia, depression, and other symptoms that overlap with CFS. The vagus nerve infection hypothesis of CFS contends that CFS symptoms are a pathologically exaggerated version of normal sickness behavior that can occur when sensory vagal ganglia or paraganglia are themselves infected with any virus or bacteria.

(Excerpt) Read more at medical-hypotheses.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: cfs; cytokines; mecfs; medical; vagusnerve
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041 next last
To: Seizethecarp
Thanks, my daughter in law actually has POT’s (and Elhers-Danlos) so I know a little about it. I have low BP that sometimes just crashes for no apparent reason. Last week it feel to 70/40. I called my cardiologist and he seemed completely unconcerned.

The only reason I asked about the seizure connection is because I had never paid much attention to what the vagus nerve does until I was DX’ed with partial seizures in October. Since then I have read a lot about the vagus nerve.

21 posted on 02/23/2014 8:14:17 AM PST by muggs (Hope and Change = Hoax and Chains)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: freeangel

“And one of the sneakiest and most mutatable infections comes from Chronic Lyme Disease—an infection the CDC is loathe to discuss.”

Like many other conditions, CFS is a “diagnosis of exclusion” meaning that you get the CFS Dx only after all other known testable conditions have been excluded and you still meet the CDC 1994 Fukuda criteria.

Because the symptoms overlap, people with Lyme Disease are frequently misdiagnosed with CFS when false negatives (frequent) fail to identify Lyme Disease or they are never tested for Lyme.

If you have Lyme Disears, you do NOT have CFS, although you will be chronically fatigued until treated with antibiotics. Lyme is a bacterial infection.

Wiki on Lyme (great pics of the “bullseye” tick-bite symptom):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyme_disease

“Lyme disease (Lyme borreliosis) is an infectious disease caused by at least three species of bacteria belonging to the genus Borrelia.[1][2][3] Borrelia burgdorferi sensu stricto[4] is the main cause of Lyme disease in North America, whereas Borrelia afzelii and Borrelia garinii cause most European cases. The disease is named after the towns of Lyme and Old Lyme, Connecticut, US, where a number of cases were identified in 1975. Although it was known that Lyme disease was a tick-borne disease as far back as 1978, the cause of the disease remained a mystery until 1981, when B. burgdorferi was identified by Willy Burgdorfer.”

“The late disseminated stage is where the infection has fully spread throughout the body. Chronic neurologic symptoms occur in up to 5% of untreated patients.[24] A polyneuropathy that involves shooting pains, numbness, and tingling in the hands or feet may develop. A neurologic syndrome called Lyme encephalopathy is associated with subtle cognitive problems, such as difficulties with concentration and short-term memory. These patients may also experience fatigue.[31] However, other problems, such as depression and fibromyalgia, are no more common in people who have been infected with Lyme than in the general population.

“Chronic encephalomyelitis, which may be progressive, can involve cognitive impairment, weakness in the legs, awkward gait, facial palsy, bladder problems, vertigo, and back pain. In rare cases untreated Lyme disease may cause frank psychosis, which has been mis-diagnosed as schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. Panic attacks and anxiety can occur; there may also be delusional behavior, including somatoform delusions, sometimes accompanied by a depersonalization or derealization syndrome, where the patients begin to feel detached from themselves or from reality.”


22 posted on 02/23/2014 8:24:27 AM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: PGalt

Glad to share some accumulated findings after fighting my CFS for 13 years (and having my PCP tell me last week that I am “just depressed”)

CFS is the Rodney Dangerfield of medical conditions, (”can’t get no respect”) despite extensive new research that many MDs still chose to ignore.


23 posted on 02/23/2014 8:28:27 AM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Seizethecarp

Treatment of Lyme with antibiotics does not always solve the problems associated with Lyme. The spirochetes(distant relatives of syphillis) hide in something called biofilm and migrate to almost any organ and masquerade as any number of diseases including, but not limited to, Parkinsons. Lyme literate docs all over the country are losing their licenses and being stifled in their attempts to treat Lyme. In face, the CDC has now grudginly admitted that over 300, 000 new cases a year are a likely probablility. That is more than AIDS being diagnosed. Unfortunately, since it is not spread by peoples choices, like most AIDS and Hep C, cases, the cause has not been championed by the pc crowd—in which case, real research maight ensue.


24 posted on 02/23/2014 8:44:29 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: freeangel

“Lyme literate docs all over the country are losing their licenses and being stifled in their attempts to treat Lyme.”

Link please.

In my experience and observation it is almost impossible to get an MDs ticket pulled and MDs themselves won’t go near anything that would cause them to lose their license unless it is some money-making scheme.


25 posted on 02/23/2014 9:44:57 AM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: muggs

Apparently “vagus nerve stimulation” is now treatment for epileptic seizures:

Wiki page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagus_nerve_stimulator

“Little is understood about exactly how vagal nerve stimulation modulates mood and seizure control but proposed mechanisms include alteration of norepinephrine release by projections of solitary tract to the locus coeruleus, elevated levels of inhibitory GABA related to vagal stimulation and inhibition of aberrant cortical activity by reticular system activation.

“Randomized control trials indicated that thirty-percent of patients would have a greater than fifty-percent reduction of seizures.”


26 posted on 02/23/2014 9:51:03 AM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: freeangel

Here is a link to the numerous CDC fact sheets on Lyme Disease and related links:

http://www.cdc.gov/lyme/toolkit/index.html


27 posted on 02/23/2014 9:59:09 AM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Seizethecarp
I would consider a VNS if I wasn't well controlled with meds. After being treated for TIA’s for the last 3 1/2 years, I am thrilled to find out what is really wrong and finally get the right treatment.

I have read on the epilepsy boards of many people having great results from VNS after suffering from partial seizures for years.

28 posted on 02/23/2014 10:02:30 AM PST by muggs (Hope and Change = Hoax and Chains)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Seizethecarp
CFS is the Rodney Dangerfield of medical conditions,

I've suspected that I suffer from CFS for the past several years now although all the normal type of tests that are usuall done thru blood work show me to be healthy and I am extremely active sports wise.

Lethargy, slight loss in regular muscular coordination and at times, depression and the sensation that I'm thinking thru a fog.

It's just weird and I really can't explain it in words......

The symptoms started after I had been on Celebrex for about a year and a half so I stopped taking it. although my cholesterol was 71/129, my doctor prescribed simvastatin but I only took that briefly after reading up on it.

So basically, all I'm taking now is excedrin or an occasional Ibuprofin for muscular and joint pain from my sports activities.......

29 posted on 02/23/2014 10:02:44 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Was Occam's razor made by Gillette?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Seizethecarp

“Link please.”

HULU “Under Our Skin” Lengthy, but worth it if you or a loved one has been diagnosed.


30 posted on 02/23/2014 10:57:21 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Seizethecarp

This may be the link to the HULU site:

http://www.hulu.com/#!watch/268761


31 posted on 02/23/2014 11:05:55 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Seizethecarp

The CDC wouldn’t even admit that Lyme was a factor in the Southern states until recently. I went to my GP a couple of years ago and told him I thought I had Lyme. He kind of chuckled, told me one doesn’t get it in the south according to the CDC but said he would send my samples off if it would make me feel better. He called me the next week to let me know that I also had co-infections that went with even though I had no telltale rash to start with(I’ve learned since, from my LLD, that at least 50% of those infected do not have that rash which means they don’t get the necessary treatment early on.)


32 posted on 02/23/2014 11:12:18 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: freeangel

http://www.dearpharmacist.com/2013/06/11/lyme-disease-and-bartonella-more-common-than-you-think/

Yes, my lyme disease doctor says chronic fatigue is really chronic lyme disease helped with antibiotics and many other things.


33 posted on 02/23/2014 1:22:17 PM PST by vickixxxx
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: muggs

I am glad you are getting good treatment for your TIAs!


34 posted on 02/23/2014 2:32:49 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Seizethecarp; All
 photo ad-hd-highway-to-hey-look-a-squirrel-t-shirt.jpg

Help FR Continue the Conservative Fight!
Your Monthly and Quarterly Donations
Help Keep FR In the Battle!

Sponsoring FReepers are contributing
$10 Each time a New Monthly Donor signs up!
Get more bang for your FR buck!
Click Here To Sign Up Now!

35 posted on 02/23/2014 2:35:15 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Hot Tabasco

“I’ve suspected that I suffer from CFS for the past several years now although all the normal type of tests that are usuall done thru blood work show me to be healthy and I am extremely active sports wise.”

IMO if you are still able to be “extremely active in sports” then you probably don’t have CFS as more narrowly defined in recent research.

Most of the best clinicians prefer the Canadian Consensus Criteria (CCC) of 2001 over the CDC 1994 Fukuda standard.

Under Fukuda “post exertional malaise” (PEM) is OPTIONAL and only one of several symptoms which, if there are enough of them (5 IIRC) allow a CFS diagnosis.

Under the CCC, PEM is MANDATORY and the signature symptom of the CFS disease. So if you do NOT suffer debilitating exhaustion (not just “fatigue”) that starts from 24-48 hours after strenuous or even moderate exercise, then you don’t have CFS (aka ME: myalgic encephalomyelitis).

Like most folks with “chronic fatigue” you probably don’t have “chronic fatigue SYNDROME.”

Here is a link to the CCC:

http://www.cfids-cab.org/MESA/ccpccd.pdf

Here is a link to a 2013 letter from the top international CFS clinicians and researchers begging the US Gov’t to affirm the CCC and NOT to go off and adopt another wishy-washy updated definition of Fukuda:

http://www.name-us.org/Case%20Definition%20Letter%2010-25-13.pdf


36 posted on 02/23/2014 2:45:52 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: freeangel

Looks like only one MD had his license temporarily suspended and it wasn’t for his Lyme treatments but for his failure to properly INFORM his patients that his treatments were “unorthodox.” This most likely means that the treatments were experimental and not that requires “informed consent” from the patients, which apparently wasn’t given to them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_Our_Skin

“The board found that Jemsek had departed from standard medical practice and had failed to inform patients that his treatments were unorthodox; his medical license was suspended with stay, allowing him to continue practicing medicine.[6] Facing a lawsuit from an insurance company, Jemsek declared bankruptcy and closed his medical practice.”[7]


37 posted on 02/23/2014 2:52:01 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: Seizethecarp

I have long suspected such a connection because I have a truly screwy set of CFS like symptoms that seem to respond well to Nexium....


38 posted on 02/23/2014 3:00:32 PM PST by papertyger ("refusing to draw an inescapable conclusion does not qualify as a 'difference of opinion.'")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: freeangel

I’m glad that you stood up to your GP, got tested and got treatment! This is still a dream for people with ME/CFS.


39 posted on 02/23/2014 3:03:00 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Seizethecarp

Thanks, but I was never having TIA’s. The seizures mimiced TIA’s. I was having undiagonised seizures all along.


40 posted on 02/23/2014 3:36:28 PM PST by muggs (Hope and Change = Hoax and Chains)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson