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No, Arizona Bill Protecting Religious Freedom is Not “Jim Crow”
Frontpage Mag ^ | 02/22/2014 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 02/23/2014 11:56:52 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Back when gay rights advocates were first pushing for gay marriage, they claimed that they only wanted equality and that no one would be compelled to participate in gay marriage events.

They lied.

As soon as gay marriage went on the books, and in some states where it wasn’t even on the books, religious bakeries and photographers were assaulted with demands that they participate in gay ceremonies, sued if they didn’t and ordered to take part in gay ceremonies or face fines… and even jail time.

States have responded by trying to pass measures that will protect religious freedom and freedom of speech. That means preventing incredible abuses of power by the gay rights lobby like this…

Participate in Gay Wedding… or Go to Jail for a Year

A Colorado bakery owner illegally discriminated against a gay couple when he refused to bake a wedding cake for the pair last year because of his Christian religious beliefs, a judge ruled on Friday.

Phillips is a devoted Christian who has an unwavering faith. She said he is a person of such deep faith that he won’t even bake Halloween-themed treats – at all.

Administrative Law Judge Robert Spencer ordered Jack Phillips, owner of Masterpiece Cakeshop in suburban Denver, to accommodate sex-couples or face fines and other possible penalties.

“The complainants can sue him civilly in the regular courts system or he can potentially be prosecuted by the district attorney for up to twelve months in jail.”

“At first blush, it may seem reasonable that a private business should be able to refuse service to anyone it chooses,” Spencer wrote in his 13-page ruling. “This view, however, fails to take into account the cost to society and the hurt caused to persons who are denied service simply because of who they are.”

No one in this country should be sent to jail for a year because their religious beliefs prevent them from participating in a gay ceremony.

Cases like these should not be happening in a free country. This is about protecting the First Amendment which was here before gay marriage… and will hopefully still exist after gay marriage is done.

The Supreme Court of New Mexico has ruled that Christian photographers do not have the right to decline photographing a gay “wedding,” even if doing so violates their religious beliefs.

The case began in 2006, when Vanessa Willock approached the Albuquerque-based business to take pictures of her ceremony with girlfriend Misti Collinsworth and was politely declined. She found another photographer for the event but pursued legal action anyway.

The Huguenins argued they did not discriminate against homosexuals but “did not want to convey through [Huguenin]’s pictures the story of an event celebrating an understanding of marriage that conflicts with [the owners’] beliefs.”

Cases like these do not belong in America. And the only way to stop them is by reinforcing the First Amendment.

The ACLU took in 63 million dollars in 2011. It has net assets of almost 300 million dollars. Anthony Romero, its Exec Director, takes in 342,858 dollars.

And like most bullies, the ACLU picked a target its own size, Barronelle Stutzman, a 70-year-old woman who runs a flower shop. For those who think that gay marriage can be folded on, the case of Arlene’s Flowers provides another sobering wake-up call.

Homosexual activists are not looking to live and let live. They are out to force their way on everyone else at any cost. Even shamelessly going after a 70-year-old woman who was only following her faith.

The American Civil Liberties Union also stepped into the fray, sending Stutzman a letter announcing it would file a separate civil suit for damages on behalf of the engaged couple unless she agrees to provide flowers without discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation, publish a letter of apology in the newspaper and donate $5,000 to a local youth center, in lieu of attorneys’ fees.

“Your refusal to sell flowers to Mr. Ingersoll and Mr. Freed for their wedding has hurt them very deeply. It is a disturbing reminder of the history of discrimination and disparate treatment that they and other gay men and women have experienced over the years,” ACLU attorney Michael R. Scott said in the letter.

Gay rights activists have responded to these attempts to protect the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights from their assault by crying “Jim Crow.”

Protecting religious freedom is not Jim Crow. It’s the right of people to opt out of a religious ceremony whose premise their religion does not accept. The United States has Separation of Church and State, something that liberals insist upon. It ought to have a separation of Unitarian Church and State as well.

No American should be jailed for a year for not participating in a gay wedding. Any gay rights group that demands this isn’t protecting Jim Crow, it’s attacking the basic civil rights of every traditional American.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: arizona; gaybullies; gaymarriage; homonaziagenda; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; homotyranny; jimcrow; religiousfreedom; religiousliberty; thoughtcrime; waronmarriage; waronreligion

1 posted on 02/23/2014 11:56:52 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

You would never even imagine this was the issue if you read the incessant media propaganda about the hateful anti-gay Christians who won’t even bake somebody a cake.


2 posted on 02/23/2014 12:00:54 PM PST by madprof98
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To: SeekAndFind

Greenfield is an American treasure.


3 posted on 02/23/2014 12:02:42 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: SeekAndFind

Excellent article.


4 posted on 02/23/2014 12:05:56 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: SeekAndFind

I think this argument about the Arizona law will be academic a week from now.


5 posted on 02/23/2014 12:06:21 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: SeekAndFind

The shyster lawyers are going to take a hit though. They won’t be making the big bucks here with their queer lawsuits. Brewer needs to sign this and just forget about it. His gayness, Eric the Holder is going to sue Arizona for something anyway. We’re his favorite target. I’ll be glad when he’s finally sent to prison.


6 posted on 02/23/2014 12:08:42 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Communism kills!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Of course they lied, when do leftists not lie?


7 posted on 02/23/2014 12:10:21 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: SeekAndFind

It never ceases to amaze how much some people hate blacks so much — that they would compare their struggle for rights to demands made by perverts with an anus fetish.


8 posted on 02/23/2014 12:18:05 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: SeekAndFind

In just a few short years, we’ve gone from the Left wailing about gays being bullied.

Just who is doing the bullying now?


9 posted on 02/23/2014 12:23:51 PM PST by digger48
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To: SeekAndFind

Well here is the HUGE problem with this issue and Bill. If this is held up as Constitutional (it won’t be), what happens when the non-Christians are in charge? What happens if a Muslim doctor doesn’t want to treat a Christian patient who is about to die?

The supporters of this Bill are only looking at it through one lens. There is no way that this Bill doesn’t become an utter disaster for Christians in AZ.

Oh everything is just fine and dandy when your group is in charge ... but what about when they aren’t? (and no, your group isn’t always going to be in charge).


10 posted on 02/23/2014 12:25:32 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: FlingWingFlyer

So will a lot of Folks.


11 posted on 02/23/2014 12:25:51 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: GeronL

In the leftist mindset, any lie they tell that advances their cause(”utopia” on earth via a totalitarian state) is “truth”.


12 posted on 02/23/2014 12:31:53 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: SeekAndFind

Take their money, do the job. No one says you have to do it with enthusiasm.

I don’t think you can deny service to a “class” of people if you are peddling your wares and services in the “public market place”.


13 posted on 02/23/2014 12:32:11 PM PST by ReaganÜberAlles
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To: Cyber Liberty
I think this argument about the Arizona law will be academic a week from now.
No-I think this will turn into a major battle on the gay's part. There is furor all over the net. Good, drag them out into the sunlight and let everyone see their tactics.
14 posted on 02/23/2014 12:32:25 PM PST by Aut Pax Aut Bellum (Where are we going from here?)
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To: RIghtwardHo

I guess the photogs and bakers could just say; “Sorry. Family vacation that week. We’ll be closed.” And then take a vacation that week. What could the courts do then? A vacation week would be less than the fine.
That doesn’t fix the problem of bully gays, but might protect the particular person/business from loss.


15 posted on 02/23/2014 12:33:49 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Ukrainians revolted and faced armed men with molotov cocktails and their bare hands. Americans just bend over and take more of the same.


16 posted on 02/23/2014 12:34:38 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Aut Pax Aut Bellum

There will be no battle here. I think it’s going to be an academic subject a week from now because I don’t think the brave AZ Governor is going to sign this, she’ll probably Veto it instead. From what I’ve read on it, she Vetoed a similar law last session.

She has already said she won’t do one or the other until Friday, which is the deadline. What’s that tell you? She wants every pressure group that’s against this law to protest loudly and publicly, so she’ll have an excuse to declare “the people have spoken!” and then she’ll Veto the bill. She will not hear the protests from our side.


17 posted on 02/23/2014 12:46:52 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: SeekAndFind
A Colorado bakery owner illegally discriminated against a gay couple when he refused to bake a wedding cake for the pair last year because of his Christian religious beliefs, a judge ruled on Friday.

Fine. Substitute sugar for salt.

18 posted on 02/23/2014 1:03:05 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: SeekAndFind
Religious Freedom is Not “Jim Crow”

Jaime Cuervo??

19 posted on 02/23/2014 1:04:16 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: SeekAndFind

This is why Conservatives should never surrender Social issues. Fiscal & social freedom are rooted in Constitutional framework.

The radical gays would jail us all if they could.


20 posted on 02/23/2014 1:25:28 PM PST by RginTN
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To: SeekAndFind

Daniel should stop using the word ‘gay’ and use the correct term ‘homosexual’.


21 posted on 02/23/2014 1:39:51 PM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: RginTN

Agreed.


22 posted on 02/23/2014 2:27:30 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: RIghtwardHo

Then a non-Muslim doctor would jump in to treat the Christian patient. Like this situation would ever occur in real life, lol (the only doctor in town is a Muslim). Plus if a doctor let their patient die because he or she didn’t like non-Muslims, it would be a violation of the Hippocratic oath and result in the doctor losing his or her medical license. You can’t seriously be equating that scenario with baking a faggot a wedding cake, can you?


23 posted on 02/23/2014 2:51:05 PM PST by Prince of Space (Be Breitbart, baby. LIFB.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The ACLU took in 63 million dollars in 2011. It has net assets of almost 300 million dollars. Anthony Romero, its Exec Director, takes in 342,858 dollars.

Much of this funded by the taxpayer. (10 years old but still relevant). make a good subject to address IF we ever get power back in Congress.

24 posted on 02/23/2014 3:32:30 PM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: RIghtwardHo
Well here is the HUGE problem with this issue and Bill. If this is held up as Constitutional (it won’t be), what happens when the non-Christians are in charge? What happens if a Muslim doctor doesn’t want to treat a Christian patient who is about to die?
The Constitution was written in English because its authors were native English speakers. Thus, the words in the document are not interpreted by consulting a Spanish - or any other language, of whatever provenance - dictionary. Equally, the Constitution is understood in light of the Declaration of Independence notwithstanding that it is possible, and likely, that there are religions with respect to which the theological implications of the Declaration of Independence are non sequesters. The Constitution mentions the Lordship of Jesus Christ
Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth.
because the authors and ratifiers of the Constitution took Christianity for granted as the default in America. Consequently if there is a balance to be struck between Christianity and Buddhism (or shamanism, or anything else) the tie logically goes to Christians. Until and unless a Constitutional Amendment to the contrary is ratified.

25 posted on 02/23/2014 3:51:19 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion ("Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: RIghtwardHo

Being able to discriminate for any reason is essential for liberty. The only entity that must not be allowed to discriminate is government. Individuals and private groups and businesses must be able to do so, or government will have the power to run our lives.

Personally, I would much rather be treated by my dogs’ veterinarian than by a Christian-hating Muslim.


26 posted on 02/23/2014 5:13:10 PM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: RIghtwardHo
Well here is the HUGE problem with this issue and Bill. If this is held up as Constitutional (it won’t be), what happens when the non-Christians are in charge? What happens if a Muslim doctor doesn’t want to treat a Christian patient who is about to die?

I think that's actually the ultimate goal. I think all this gay stuff is st a trojan horse, and the rank-stupid narcissistic gays are jumping around in totalitarian bliss never even once realizing that the Leftists don't give a single damn about any of them. Once the laws are in place, they will then be shifted to Muslim interpretations, and those same gays will find themselves being threatened with death by Muslims who will be legally protected by the same laws the gays used against Christian.

I fell like I'm watching millions of people commit suicide, while dancing around singing that they are eliminating death. It's like a freaking Fellini movie.

27 posted on 02/24/2014 12:06:02 AM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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