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Is polygamy the cause of Muslim violence?
Human Events ^ | February 18, 2014 | William Tucker

Posted on 02/23/2014 1:15:33 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Syria is submerged in civil war. The Sunni and the Shi’ia of Iraq are renewing their 1300-year-old conflict. Libyan rebels have shut down the nation’s oil industry. Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood has been suppressed and is resorting to terrorism. Pakistan is a cauldron of violence and assassinations. In short, the Muslim world, as usual, is at war with itself.

This is not a contemporary phenomenon. Islam has been attacking its neighbors ever since the Prophet Mohammed received the Koran from the Angel Gabriel in the 7th century. Within 50 years of his death, Muslim armies had conquered the known world from Spain to Afghanistan. The Moguls invaded India, setting off a conflict that persists today. The Ottoman Empire besieged Europe for hundreds of years before its collapse in the 20th century. As historian Samuel Huntington has written, Islam has always had “bloody borders.”

Is there any explanation for this? Is it temperament or history? Is it the inevitable fight over scarce resources? Or, as Muslim cultures would insist, is it because Islam has always been surrounded by hostile neighbors?

In my book, Marriage and Civilization, I offer a novel explanation as to why Islam has always been at war with itself and others. It is because Islam it is the only major religious culture that embraces polygamy.

Polygamy? What does that have to do with anything? Am I suggesting that because some minor sheik outside Baghdad takes two wives, two young Muslim brothers in Massachusetts feel compelled to blow up the Boston Marathon?

Well, yes. In any human society there are approximately the same number of men and women. Under monogamy, which limits each man to one wife, everyone gets a fair chance to marry. When powerful and successful men are allowed to take more than one wife, however, as they are in a polygamous society, this creates a pool of unsuccessful men at the bottom of society who are constantly in conflict with the system.

The history of Islam has been one continuous story of rebel groups off in the desert and deciding that the religion being practiced by the authorities and their harems back in the cities is not the “true Islam.” They come crashing back upon the palaces, overthrowing the leaders (no Ottoman Sultan ever died of natural causes) and establishing a new regime that is just like the old one, where powerful are allowed to take multiple wives.

The Prophet Muhammad had a novel solution to this problem. Go and conquer neighboring societies and requisition their women. If you die in the process, the reward will be even greater – 72 virgins waiting for you in heaven! “Jihad” has been a clever and effective way of redirecting the hostilities of the “bachelor herd” that polygamy inevitably produces.

The fruits of polygamy are visible all over the Middle East. Because women are always in short supply, families can charge a “bride price” to any man who wants to marry their daughter. Because daughters are now worth money, they must be veiled and sequestered so they don’t run off with some callow youth. Older men desperate for wives push down into younger and younger cohorts of the population. Marriages between 35-year-old men and 13-year-old girls become common. (Muhammad’s last wife was age six.)

But the main product of polygamy is a population of angry young men who are ripe recruits for terrorism. The Koran supposedly limits a man to four wives but in countries where there are vast disparities of wealth this is routinely violated. Osama bin Laden’s father, a successful Saudi businessman, had 22 wives and 54 children. The unbalance between unmarried men and the available women in Saudi Arabia is the highest in the world. Is it any wonder that 15 of the 19 September 11th hijackers were Saudi nationals?

Ann Coulter once suggested that we would cure Muslim violence by converting the Islamic world to Christianity. This is not as far-fetched as it sounds. Christianity’s long enforcement of monogamous marriage has obviously played a critical role in establishing the more peaceful civilization of the West. The same can be said for China and India, where the vast majority adhere to monogamy. None of these cultures is plagued with the endless internal violence and outward aggression of Islam.

Converting the Muslim world to Christianity may be out of the question, but persuading it to give up polygamy on the grounds that it creates an inherently unstable society is a task that the rest of the world might be willing to undertake.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: globaljihad; islam; marriage; muslimworld; polygamy; polygyny
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Good luck! Heck, we're headed towards polygamy here!
1 posted on 02/23/2014 1:15:33 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Is polygamy the cause of Muslim violence?

The KORAN and the example set by their prophet are the causes of Muslim violence

2 posted on 02/23/2014 1:20:52 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

All the savage civilizations do it:)


3 posted on 02/23/2014 1:21:55 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Muslims are the cause of Muslim violence.


4 posted on 02/23/2014 1:22:49 PM PST by rickmichaels
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To: 2banana

all this fasting is.


5 posted on 02/23/2014 1:23:13 PM PST by Perdogg (Ted Cruz-Rand Paul 2016)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Women tend to civilize men, especially in a culture that recognizes and encourages monogamous marriage. Whenever there is an imbalance, the culture becomes more unstable. Expect China to rear it’s head as this new generation takes over.


6 posted on 02/23/2014 1:26:31 PM PST by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I know that polygamy is premitted by Islam, but I wonder how prevalent it really is. Donald Trump or Michael Bloomberge could probably each have 22 wives but that wouldn’t impact the broader society.

But the basic problem (not enough brides for all the brothers) is likely to get worse as sex selection abortions continue in China and now India and possibly even among these ethnic groups in the west.

And when you actually don’t have an equal number of women and men monogamy won’t help.

You’d need women to take multiple husbands and I just don’t see that working out in any but isolated, eccentric, cases.


7 posted on 02/23/2014 1:27:45 PM PST by jocon307
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When a rich man can have many wives and concubines, kept locked in his house as virtual slaves until they die, where does that leave the rest of men?

Angrytown, that's where. So they need a "religion" that directs their anger and frustration outward at infidels, instead of inward at their "betters" who have cornered the market on girls and women.


8 posted on 02/23/2014 1:29:02 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Elsie

well polygamy is the major part of the Mormon religion (first principle) and Utah Territory was probably one of the most violent area in North America 1845-1877 for white on white crime during Brigham Young’s reign of terror.....


9 posted on 02/23/2014 1:29:06 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: 2banana
Yep!!

Pedophilia,
Sodomy,
Polygamy,
Murder,
Assault,
Theft......

10 posted on 02/23/2014 1:29:06 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: keats5
There are millions of “excess” North Korean, Vietnamese, Lao, Cambodian, Filipino, Polynesian Thai and Indonesian women who could marry all those Chinese men without prospective mates. I'm surprised the Chinese haven't figured that out.
11 posted on 02/23/2014 1:30:09 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2banana

That’s right. It is truly a huge satanic cult...masquerading as a true religion.


12 posted on 02/23/2014 1:31:10 PM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
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13 posted on 02/23/2014 1:32:14 PM PST by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I bet they couldn’t even tell you why.


14 posted on 02/23/2014 1:33:51 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Muslim men marry their eight year old first cousins who then start producing children at age eleven.

What could possibly go wrong such a Gene Pool?


15 posted on 02/23/2014 1:34:59 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

....”the Muslim world, as usual, is at war with itself”....

Well, as if that’s news. Truly if they aren’t fighting another they most definatley go after each other. And it hasn’t nothing to do with anything but the Islamic law and those who give it to the people as each determines.

It’s a hateful, death cult and that’s all there is to know. You cannot “restore” it for it was and always will be just what it is.

No matter what you take away from Islam it will remain a death cult.


16 posted on 02/23/2014 1:35:34 PM PST by caww
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Inbreeding is bad, mmkay?


17 posted on 02/23/2014 1:37:26 PM PST by RichInOC ("In the name of Allah, The Inexorable, The Irresistible...")
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To: Travis McGee


18 posted on 02/23/2014 1:38:32 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Mormons did practice polygamy and they never blew up people and things...

Article is pretty lame logic...

19 posted on 02/23/2014 1:40:56 PM PST by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I always figured that any guy who went polygamous probably got what he deserved (Hell on earth...) but anyway, we also have this... “Variability is one of the virtues of a woman. It avoids the crude requirement of polygamy. So long as you have one good wife you are sure to have a spiritual harem.” ― G.K. Chesterton
20 posted on 02/23/2014 1:42:33 PM PST by faithhopecharity (" uri)
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To: Popman; Tennessee Nana; Colofornian

Uhmmm, I think they did, actually.


21 posted on 02/23/2014 1:45:36 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

judaism permitted polygamy. the article does not mention that. polygamy was widespread in china, japan, among the native peoples in the western hemisphere, classical greece, polynesia, australian aboriginal peoples, and africa well into historical times. in contrast, monogamy in the western world did not come into practice until classical roman times. a literal interpretation of the bible (old and new testaments) reveals to an honest and impartial reader that nothing in the bible forbids polygamy. the contemporary christian view that jesus forbids polygamy did not gain acceptance until christian teachings were modified and adapted to become more attractive to middle class romans.

the article is interesting, but woefully incomplete in its presentation of data and analysis, and i do not sense any correlation, nor any honest attempt to present a case for any such correlation. this is not to say the writer is being deceptive so much as to say that the writer never rises significantly beyond his peers to a level needed to convince me of the premise. ymmv.


22 posted on 02/23/2014 1:46:14 PM PST by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: jocon307

I came up with the same conclusion years ago.


23 posted on 02/23/2014 1:49:53 PM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How are the women in those countries “excess”? It’s just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Seems like a recipe for serious regional instability.


24 posted on 02/23/2014 1:50:05 PM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Polygamy is one reason Muslims are violent. Young male children getting their butts buggered by horny Muslim adults is another. Being completely controlled by a militant religion that rewards violence is yet another. There is really no reason for Muslims not to be violent. It is the Islamic nature.


25 posted on 02/23/2014 1:53:20 PM PST by pallis
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To: jocon307

It’s pretty common in Saudi. But interestingly one of the major problems is daughters who don’t marry. They are stuck in their dad’s household and with nothing to do. So they get depressed and neurotic.


26 posted on 02/23/2014 2:08:06 PM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms in Dixie!)
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To: Valpal1

Indonesia Sex ratio
http://www.indexmundi.com/indonesia/sex_ratio.html

Cambodia - Population - Sex ratio of the total population
http://knoema.com/atlas/Cambodia/topics/Demographics/Population/Sex-ratio

Philippines Sex ratio
http://www.indexmundi.com/philippines/sex_ratio.html


27 posted on 02/23/2014 2:10:28 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey, if you have to put up with more than one woman, or if you can’t get one at all because wealthier guys have all got four apiece tied up, I guess you might tend to get a little bit violent.

‘Splains the whole Islam thing!


28 posted on 02/23/2014 2:18:57 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Does polygamy also explain the Mountain Meadows masacre?


29 posted on 02/23/2014 2:22:16 PM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; NYer

We have ‘serial polygamy’ in Hollywood.


30 posted on 02/23/2014 2:23:15 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Mormons were often on the receiving end of violent persecution before 1845, culminating in the battle of Nauvoo (Ill.) in 1844, eventually forcing the Mormons to flee to Utah. I am not promoting Mormonism but I do think people have a right to live as they please, especially after being forced to leave their homes at gunpoint. Finally, anti-polygamist sentiment was taken advantage of to gain followers for political gain during the formation of the Republican Party. Before placing exclusive blame on Mormons in Utah for violence, one question that seems relevant is to ask what is the proximate cause of the Mormons to be living in Utah in the first place.

I am all for people who get sexually and emotionally uptight about what other consenting adults do behind closed doors to voice their (sexually and emotionally uptight) opinions. The point at which the sexually and emotionally uptight people start to advocate or condone violence against some folks merely because those folks do not share their sexually and emotionally uptight views on what consenting adults choose to do in private is the height of irrationality and the point where i depart from them. For sexually and emotionally uptight people with violent intentions everywhere, the cliched adage “make love, not war” is IMHO still appropriate. And yet another adage is that those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it.


31 posted on 02/23/2014 2:24:24 PM PST by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Did you ever read “A Study in Scarlet”, the first Sherlock Holmes story? He’s not actually in it very much, it’s a long recounting of some man’s misadventures among the early Mormons. I don’t remember it very well, but I do remember thinking: woah, this isn’t the Donnie & Marie Mormons we’ve come to know and love.

Of course it is a made up story, but clearly things have changed with that group.

It might be interesting to study how much getting rid of polygamy had to do with that, if anything.


32 posted on 02/23/2014 2:25:15 PM PST by jocon307
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To: b4its2late

And she’s another who got fired by NRO for that exact piece.


33 posted on 02/23/2014 2:25:59 PM PST by jocon307
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The mainland Chinese are some of the most race-conscious people on the planet, which is why that isn’t happening anytime soon. Maybe as prostitutes, but not wives.


34 posted on 02/23/2014 2:26:37 PM PST by coydog (Time to feed the pigs!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

HA HA, those are pretty funny.


35 posted on 02/23/2014 2:27:01 PM PST by jocon307
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Inbreeding is more likely.


36 posted on 02/23/2014 2:27:56 PM PST by Iron Munro (Eight died on that bridge at Concord, back in 1775. How many will it take this time?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All
"Is polygamy the cause of Muslim violence?"



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37 posted on 02/23/2014 2:30:18 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: DJ Taylor

Goggle “Muslim inbreeding”. In Pakistan the population is 70% the product of cousin-marriage. Inbreeding over fourteen centuries has produced hideous results.

Combine inbreeding with polygamy and the aforementioned “bachelor herd” becomes an inexhaustible source of jihad fodder.


38 posted on 02/23/2014 2:32:25 PM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Polygamy is one of many ways that Islam sets people against each other. While women have no legal power, they can wield hell on earth to their husbands, daughters or daughters in law. Disenfranchised women fight each other brutally within families. Islam also endorses hatred between ethnic groups. Blacks are slaves; Arabs are superior to everybody else; Muslims superior to non-Muslims. In a multitude of ways, Islamic culture gives outrageous privileges to upper classes, but no one rich or poor is secure from emotion laden charges of “not being a good Muslim.” Because there is no recognition of inalienable rights, violence is often unleashed suddenly without the restraint of any legal process.
39 posted on 02/23/2014 2:32:36 PM PST by Missouri gal
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To: SteveH

Good post, you answered a lot of questions that I had but I didn’t want to beleaguer others by asking.

Quite frankly, if it weren’t for the “angry man” problem I think polygamy probably works well. Men like sex more than women, women like to hang out together more than men, more hands to raise the kids, etc.

Think of the end of Dr. Strangelove, where the one old duffer proposes taking prominent men (himself and his friends) to live in the post-nuke bunkers with many beautiful women in order to maintain the human race. Of course these old farts will have to hook up with many women each, that’s the sacrifice they’ll have to make for mankind.


40 posted on 02/23/2014 2:32:37 PM PST by jocon307
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Probably more to do with centuries of cuzzins marrying cuzzins


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42 posted on 02/23/2014 2:57:19 PM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Tennessee Nana
There are many other parallels between Mormonism and Islam: the mysterious revelation by an “angel” of sacred texts which no one can find, the blood oath, missionary pilgrimage, etc.
43 posted on 02/23/2014 3:07:36 PM PST by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Of the 3 links you provided regarding sex ratios of Indonesia, Cambodia and the Phillipines, only Cambodia indicates a minor surplus of females in the critical 15-24 year age bracket. So there simply aren’t enough females to meet Chinese demand.

Check Qatar, Kuwat, UAE Oman, Bahrain and Saudi Arabia’s sex ratios compared to China. Shockingly they have an even more extreme imbalance that manifests at the critical 15-24 bracket and gets worse with age which indicates that they have a serious problem with violence against women.


44 posted on 02/23/2014 3:17:25 PM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: keats5

[ Women tend to civilize men, especially in a culture that
recognizes and encourages monogamous marriage. ]

Judaism and Christianity both respect strong women.

Both respect women and have a sense of Chivalry towards women, women are not see as “equals” in the liberal sense but are seen as vital co-pilots in the marriage with their own strengths and weaknesses that COMPLEMENT the strengths and weaknesses of the male in the marriage and they are also deeply respected.


45 posted on 02/23/2014 3:23:35 PM PST by GraceG
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No, it is inbreeding.

And Islam.


46 posted on 02/23/2014 3:35:26 PM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: rlmorel

I’d say the Quran is the cause.


47 posted on 02/23/2014 3:36:16 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: jocon307

The mystery novelist Anne Perry is a Mormon. As a teenager, she was also a key player in a murder in New Zealand.

There are some interesting inclusions from Mormon history in her books.


48 posted on 02/23/2014 3:38:50 PM PST by Tax-chick (The future is not going to take us seriously.)
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To: jocon307
... if it weren’t for the “angry man” problem ...

Right, if women were naturally 4 or 5 times as numerous as men ... but they aren't.

With polygamy, society can never grow beyond the most basic element, mother than children. They don't form a patriarch-based clan: as soon as the sperm-donor is out of the picture, the society devolves to mother-and-sons.

If you take another look at the Book of Genesis, you'll see it very clearly. There would never have been a "People of Israel" without the enslavement in Israel, because they would have broken down in a very brief period into the Sons of Leah, the Sons of Rachel, and the sons of Bilhah and Zilpah aligned with one of the legal wives. Give it a generation or two, and you have the sons of Leah and a few cadet-branch flies they swat occasionally.

49 posted on 02/23/2014 3:46:50 PM PST by Tax-chick (The future is not going to take us seriously.)
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To: Tax-chick

Dang the autocorrect. “Mother and children.”


50 posted on 02/23/2014 3:48:02 PM PST by Tax-chick (The future is not going to take us seriously.)
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