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The schools will never have enough of our money
Pioneer Press ^ | 2-22-14 | Joe Soucheray

Posted on 02/23/2014 2:00:50 PM PST by TurboZamboni

The schools will never have enough money. That should be clear by now. Trying to get a handle on what public education costs us is like trying to get a handle on Bigfoot, a large, out-of-focus monster that has never been successfully photographed.

Remember, as the union activists from the St. Paul Federation of Teachers dutifully put on their red T-shirts to tell us of their current distress, that we just went through something similar as recently as 2012. That time, we were told we had to vote for a levy increase so the kids could have better access to technology. And in 2006 we had to pass a levy for money to better prepare the kids to enter first grade. OK.

This time around, it is not a levy, but a contract that the teachers want because now is the time to fight and to seek more funds for more counselors and social workers and nurses and smaller class sizes and librarians and social workers and language specialists and substitute teachers and special-education teachers and more art and more music and more libraries.

(Excerpt) Read more at twincities.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: education; mn; spending; unions

1 posted on 02/23/2014 2:00:50 PM PST by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni

Any entity that depends on collections from others, donated or otherwise, will never have enough money. This includes charities, churches and anything else that doesn’t produce a product for the market. Just like everyone else they always want more money but the only way they can get it is begging or, as in the case of government and other thieves, at the point of a gun.


2 posted on 02/23/2014 2:18:13 PM PST by EandH Dad (sleeping giants wake up REALLY grumpy)
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To: TurboZamboni

EXACTLY....and I’m a former community college board member...who votes against ALL school levies these days...they HAVE enough...it’s HOW they are spending it that is the problem.


3 posted on 02/23/2014 2:19:34 PM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: TurboZamboni

Simple. Eliminate all tax-based schools and make them private businesses that will require tuition and donations.


4 posted on 02/23/2014 2:27:51 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: TurboZamboni; All
Military training issues asside, not only have states have never delegated to the feds, via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate, tax and spend for pubilc schools, but the Supreme Court has clarified in general that Congress is prohibited from laying taxes in the name of state power issues, public schooling an example.
“Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
So probably a bunch of state revenues that could be used for public schools is wrongly leaving the states in the form of constitutionally indefensible federal taxes. Patriots need to work with their state lawmakers to stop Congress from laying taxes for public schools...and lots of other things.
5 posted on 02/23/2014 2:28:53 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: TurboZamboni

Just anecdotal evidence, that public schools seemed to produce better results in 1950 or 1960 than today. Public schools spent a lot less per student in those days, adjusted for inflation. Yet they arguably got better results. Are we allowed to talk about that, or is it not politically correct to talk about??????


6 posted on 02/23/2014 2:34:00 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego (TH)
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To: Amendment10

Abolish Public Schools

The historical record compiled by the Department of Education itself shows that increased government spending on education does not improve the academic performance of government schools.

“From 1989-90 to 2006-07, total expenditures per student in public elementary and secondary schools rose from $8,748 to $11,839 (a 35 percent increase in 2008-09 constant dollars), with most of the increase occurring after 1997-98,” says the Education Department’s The Condition of Education 2010.

In 1980, 17-year-old students in public schools earned an average score of 284 out of 500 on the National Assessment of Educational Progress reading test. In 2008, they still scored 284. Despite increased per pupil spending, the needle did not move.

In 1999, 17-year-old students in American public schools earned an average score of 307 out of 500 on the National Assessment of Educational Progress math test. In 2008, they scored 305. The needle moved in the wrong direction.

Every community in America should give all parents a voucher equal to what it now pays per-pupil for its public schools, allowing those parents to use those vouchers at any school they choose. Let the market decide if government-run schools survive.

http://townhall.com/columnists/TerryJeffrey/2010/09/29/abolish_public_schools


7 posted on 02/23/2014 2:34:54 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: TurboZamboni

Compulsory education is nothing but big taxpayer funded scam, and a vehicle for state brainwashing and perpetual employment of people who should never be near children.


8 posted on 02/23/2014 2:36:06 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: TurboZamboni

Colorado hands out $2B per year to Illegal aliens and saves school bills for last so there is no money left and they can force a tax increase “for the kids”


9 posted on 02/23/2014 2:36:22 PM PST by mountainlion
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To: goodnesswins

I saw the union bots complaining about how it wasn’t enough and talking about 35 kids in a classroom.

Let’s see, 35 kids in a classroom at $17,000 per kid. That makes $595,00 per year that classroom is sucking in.

Lets just say the teacher is making $70,000 per year. That means the school system has $525,000 in “overhead” for just that classroom.

And it’s not enough?

Yeah, right.


10 posted on 02/23/2014 2:40:00 PM PST by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: TurboZamboni

As an “old guy” I’m beyond disgusted with the schools of our day.
I attended a typical school in central Massachusetts in the city of Worcester. There were 6 classrooms and there were 6 teachers and the principal. The janitor kept things from falling apart.
Half the kids were born to immigrant parents, living often in homes where English was NOT the prime language.
Those students, in schools thought of as “quaint” today learned and mastered English, American history, world geography, math including the “dreaded” long division.
We learned to spell, punctuate, grammar, writing compositions logically and where our State was on the map of the USA.
Today I find High School grads who are functionally illiterate. What a bargain the country gets with the bloated staffs in what are laughingly called “schools”


11 posted on 02/23/2014 2:44:07 PM PST by CaptainAmiigaf (NY TIMES: We print the news as it fits our views.)
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To: TurboZamboni

Liberals always cry out for more. Many States give then 20+% of all monies spent and that still is not enough.


12 posted on 02/23/2014 2:46:16 PM PST by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: TurboZamboni

Schools are no longer schools. They are bureaucracies that just happen to have children involved. They are fighting to exist not to educate.


13 posted on 02/23/2014 2:47:15 PM PST by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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To: raybbr

Homeschooling joke:
“My wife and I were also concerned that our children would miss out on the socialization available in the public schools.
So once a week we take our kids into the bathroom, cuss at them, push them around, steal their lunch money, and offer them drugs, and that seems to take care of it.”


14 posted on 02/23/2014 2:55:30 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: TurboZamboni; All
"The schools will never have enough of our money"



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15 posted on 02/23/2014 2:58:22 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: TurboZamboni

A few parents are waking up.


16 posted on 02/23/2014 3:01:12 PM PST by Liberty Wins ( The average lefty is synapse challenged)
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To: TurboZamboni

If the school’s want more money, they can fire an administrator. They have too many and they’re all overpaid.


17 posted on 02/23/2014 3:03:05 PM PST by Husker24
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To: TurboZamboni

Hey - indoctorination is expensive!


18 posted on 02/23/2014 3:09:17 PM PST by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: Liberty Wins

“Educators” for the most part are liberal idealogues who transmit liberal thinking into gullible children. The best thing you can do for your child is home school. Much public education has devolved into child brain-abuse...and public money theft. I have met many, many “educators” who are well-intended...typical brain-addled liberals. They “work” about 1/2 time and retire very young.


19 posted on 02/23/2014 3:11:25 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: EandH Dad

You have a problem with giving to churches and charities? If so, you have a problem with the Lord.


20 posted on 02/23/2014 3:26:40 PM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: EandH Dad

not true..

a church or charity that is wasteful of the funds given them will simply be cut off by those giving to them.

Now.. try that with a school district. In our state they will take your house for not paying the property tax (that goes to Schools among other things)


21 posted on 02/23/2014 3:32:28 PM PST by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: TurboZamboni

When I was in fifth grade there were about 50 kids in the class and one nun!

Then I moved to the Catholic HS, and annual tuition was $36 for the first kid; and 18$ for the second kid, and the third child got in free!

Those nuns sure knew how to run schools.


22 posted on 02/23/2014 3:53:39 PM PST by Gumdrop (Q)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Amen to that!

It seems that every few months we have another school bond issue for some fancy project they dream up, and they always pass! It’s for the children, you know. They schedule these votes at off times, and alert people to them by means of the school district newsletter (which, I assume, is paid for by taxpayers).

Nobody ever bothers to ask what they are doing with all the money they already have. It infuriates me.


23 posted on 02/23/2014 5:00:25 PM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Just anecdotal evidence, that public schools seemed to produce better results in 1950 or 1960 than today.

Not only the 1950s, but if you look at books and tests from the 1800s to the turn of the century, schools produced far better results in the days of one-room schoolhouses on the prairie, with teachers not much older than the students, (and those teachers made so little money they had to board with someone.) And there were so few books, many kids brought a Bible or almanac from home to learn how to read. There were no social workers, field trips, computers, counselors, etc., etc.

24 posted on 02/23/2014 5:56:09 PM PST by Nea Wood (When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.-Sowell)
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To: TurboZamboni

no, the teachers unions will never have enough of our money.


25 posted on 02/23/2014 9:05:00 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Agree; then parents will start making sure their kids are learning something and bullying will stop since the schools could be sued for failing to protect students from harassment.


26 posted on 02/23/2014 9:23:04 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Nea Wood

Teachers weren’t perving on the kids and families had a purpose, a sense of direction.


27 posted on 02/23/2014 9:27:36 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Secret Agent Man

They got want they wanted. 9% raise and more social workers and smaller classes.

Meanwhile their average is 68k/year , 92k if you count benefits.


28 posted on 02/25/2014 3:13:39 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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