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Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel to Recommend Deep Budget Cuts Targeting Pay, Benefits
CBS News ^ | Sunday, February 23, 2014 | Jake Miller

Posted on 02/23/2014 3:55:41 PM PST by kristinn

Teeing up what could be a politically explosive fight before the midterm elections in November, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel on Monday will recommend billions of dollars in annual budget cuts that would reduce housing allowances and other benefits, increase health-care premiums, and limit pay raises, CBS News confirms.

The recommendations, first reported by the Wall Street Journal, are part of a broader effort to trim the Pentagon's budget while minimizing the impact on preparedness and capability. But they're likely to provoke fierce opposition from veterans' interest groups and lawmakers on Capitol Hill.

The Pentagon argues that personnel costs are simply too big a share of the defense budget to ignore. "Personnel costs reflect some 50 percent of the Pentagon budget and cannot be exempted in the context of the significant cuts the department is facing," Adm. John Kirby, the Defense Department's top spokesman, told the Journal. "Secretary Hagel has been clear that, while we do not want to, we ultimately must slow the growth of military pay and compensation."

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: budget; chuckhagel; defense; fy2015

1 posted on 02/23/2014 3:55:42 PM PST by kristinn
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To: kristinn

Chuck Hagel makes a damn good democrat.


2 posted on 02/23/2014 3:57:37 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: kristinn

What a dirty little quisling bast*rd he is. Does just what his quisling master tells him to do, does Chuckie.


3 posted on 02/23/2014 3:58:53 PM PST by Bedford Forrest (Roger, Contact, Judy, Out. Fox One. Splash one.<I>)
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To: kristinn

Hagel is a real scumbag. A perfect butt boy for Valerie Jarrett and her Obama regime.


4 posted on 02/23/2014 3:59:56 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Communism kills!!!)
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To: kristinn

we ultimately must slow the growth of military pay and compensation.”

Oh yes, ask those who protect us to bite the bullit.
Where are those heads of government largess who will
call to “slow the growth of entitlements and welfare?

It wouldn’t have anything to do with the military being
more conservative than the entitlement folks??


5 posted on 02/23/2014 4:00:29 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Chucky will take away the incentive to join the military.
Those that are in the military and have service connected injuries are hoing to be screwed


6 posted on 02/23/2014 4:01:10 PM PST by South Dakota (shut up and build a bakken pipe line)
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To: kristinn

The only thing they want to cut is the military.

Trillions for welfare though.


7 posted on 02/23/2014 4:01:55 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Jim Robinson

You are seeing the greatest theft of the American people in world history - and where in the Trillion per year going they simply print up?


8 posted on 02/23/2014 4:03:15 PM PST by edcoil ( "All men's miseries derive from not being able to sit in a quiet room alone." - Blaise Pascal)
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To: kristinn

Hagel and his boss are Rats that treat our all voluntary military like an unwanted step child and our nation will suffer for it.


9 posted on 02/23/2014 4:03:30 PM PST by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: driftdiver

Yep, and Hagel is good with that. What a piece of filth.


10 posted on 02/23/2014 4:05:48 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: kristinn; Jim Robinson; onyx

Getting it yet?

11 posted on 02/23/2014 4:08:04 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: kristinn

Setting up for a return to the draft.


12 posted on 02/23/2014 4:12:11 PM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: kristinn

If the republicans pass a budget with those cuts in place, they are dead to me.


13 posted on 02/23/2014 4:12:28 PM PST by AU72
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To: kristinn

Huh? I thought all the savings from Obamacare would make this unnecessary.

Oh, wait...Obamacare is making health care far more expensive and leaving the taxpayer with the bill. Nevermind.

But no one will suggest defunding Obamarcare so we can defend outselves. That would be selfish and racist.


14 posted on 02/23/2014 4:14:03 PM PST by rbg81
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To: kristinn
Hey, I've got an idea.

Let's target some of the "pay and benefits" to the Gibsmedat Armies, lounging on their couches and buying all that free lobster and drugs with their EBT cards. Their budget is already more than the Defense Department Budget.

Maybe we can cut back there instead?

15 posted on 02/23/2014 4:23:17 PM PST by Gritty (Inside every liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out! - David Horowitz)
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To: kristinn

Everybody in Nebraska knew Hagel was a leftist moron, despite his claims of military service “qualifying” him to be SoD. Now the rest of the country knows what an idiot he is.


16 posted on 02/23/2014 4:27:36 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: edcoil

The early Roman emperor’s Bread and Circuses scheme was child’s play compared to today’s fiat money pyramid scheme.


17 posted on 02/23/2014 4:33:54 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: tet68
Where are those heads of government largess who will call to “slow the growth of entitlements and welfare?

The greatest entitlement of all sucking the labor and blood of the American taxpayer is the benefits received by our faithful allies who are entitled to not having to pay for the costs of their own defense while the US expends money and irreplaceable lives to police the world. This subsidizing of foreign socialism is far worse and far more dangerous than any domestic entitlement.

18 posted on 02/23/2014 4:34:28 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: kristinn

Cut military pay and the MSM’s reaction - ho hum. Cut 40 bucks off of a some urban sow cow’s monthly EBT entitlement and the MSM reacts like the world is coming to an end.


19 posted on 02/23/2014 4:37:18 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: kristinn

God, I hate these people. You’re either going to contest the rest of the economy for best young people America has to offer, or you’re going to settle for the cheaper, lower-quality option.


20 posted on 02/23/2014 4:41:28 PM PST by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: kristinn
I recognize that there is a pretty bad fiscal situation out there. As a retiree, I am more than willing to do my part to help. I am certain that my brethren still on active duty would also be more than happy to help out. UNDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS (and the following list is IN ORDER):
  1. AFTER they cut out the extra-Constitutional activities performed by FEDGOV (i.e., those activities that are not explicitly identified in Article 1 Section 8 and the various Constitutional Amendments) (BTW, since transfer payments are extra-constitutional, this statement includes those transfer payments)
  2. AFTER Congress has eliminated their own cushy retirement (not that it fiscally does that much, but it would make them appear to "lead from the front")
  3. AFTER Congress eliminates all pensions and TSP matching funds from current civilian government employees (the rationale being that they were not under the UCMJ and have always had the option to disobey idiots and turn down assignments w/o risk of court-martial)

If they do all the above IN ORDER (in other words, they do #1...and if that isn't sufficient, move to #2, and if that doesn't work, then finally do #3), I would be willing to consider consenting to some sacrifice. Again, if it was necessary, I'm certain my brethren on active duty would agree.

But not until that point. I am not at all sanguine to having to give anything up from my retirement nor am I willing to give anything up as far as current / retired military benefits for the troops as long as free money is provided to illegal aliens, foreign dictators, or the lazy who choose not to work. Or to the Congressweenies and executive branch political appointees who, too easily, are happy to say "let them eat cake."

21 posted on 02/23/2014 4:44:41 PM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: kristinn

Another traitor who should be in prison.


22 posted on 02/23/2014 4:48:58 PM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: kristinn

They need the money to bail out Ukraine. (Jack Lew said so.)


23 posted on 02/23/2014 4:52:34 PM PST by BusterBear
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To: markomalley; Jim Robinson; 2ndDivisionVet
I Like it Mark!

Just Get rid of the Redundant Government Bureaucracy and we will save enough to buy a couple of countries.

I have no doubt the Military Could Trim some Fat too.

So Start with the Bronze Artsy Frog Statue at Andrews Air Force Base or whatever.

Doing that will save up the pennies fast.

24 posted on 02/23/2014 4:59:01 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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To: driftdiver

“Chucky will take away the incentive to join the military”

The administration has a plan,that it got from George W. Bush, on how to hire people to do jobs that Americans won’t do.


25 posted on 02/23/2014 5:03:26 PM PST by odawg
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26 posted on 02/23/2014 5:06:32 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: kristinn

The Pentagon 1st needs to greatly trim the bloat at DOD in Washington D.C. before considering hitting enlisted pay and benefits.


27 posted on 02/23/2014 5:16:40 PM PST by Wuli
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To: kristinn

Meanwhile they will also recommend increasing civilian pay and time off I bet.


28 posted on 02/23/2014 5:18:15 PM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: kristinn

Yes, a volunteer military is very expensive. That is why countries that fight large scale ground wars against competent enemies do it with conscript armies. You can fight a war against third world armies and defeat them less expensively.


29 posted on 02/23/2014 5:50:24 PM PST by MSF BU (n)
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To: kristinn
WHY the military???

HUGE cuts should come first to the EPA. IRS, TSA, DEA, and about a DOZEN other black holes sucking Federal MONEY.

30 posted on 02/23/2014 5:59:25 PM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: saganite
Setting up for a return to the draft.

Setting up a coup.

31 posted on 02/23/2014 6:05:36 PM PST by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: kristinn

LYONS: The Islamic cloud over Brennan and Hagel
National security may not be a first priority

By Adm. James A. Lyons Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Illustration by Greg Groesch for The Washington Times
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Illustration by Greg Groesch for The Washington Times more >

STORY TOPICS
Politics
John O. Brennan
Chuck Hagel
Muslim Brotherhood
United States Central Intelligence Agency

By Adm. James A. Lyons Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Two key national security nominations by President Obama are up for confirmation following Congress‘ recess this week: former Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel to be secretary of defense, and John O. Brennan, the president’s key counterterrorism adviser, to be the director of the CIA. Both candidates have had to address issues based on their past and current activities and associations. Troublingly, a number of questions still remain unanswered.

One explosive issue is a report by John Guandolo that broke last week on Tom Trento’s “TrentoVision Show” and also was carried by Glenn Beck on Feb. 11. The report stated that Mr. Brennan was converted to Islam while CIA station chief in Saudi Arabia from 1996 to ‘99. Let’s be clear: In America, a man’s religion can never be a condition to his holding a government position. It is protected by both the First Amendment and Article 6 of the Constitution. Therefore, even if it is true that he converted, Mr. Brennan’s religion should not be an issue.

However, according to Mr. Guandolo — a former SWAT team leader at the FBI, counterterrorism and Muslim Brotherhood specialist and Marine platoon commander — what should be an issue was the Saudis’ targeted recruitment of Mr. Brennan to the ideology of Islam while he was serving as the CIA station chief in Riyadh. This was not just a conversion but a political act by a foreign intelligence service.

If verified, this would indicate Mr. Brennan’s susceptibility, whether witting or unwitting, to manipulation by a foreign intelligence entity. It’s interesting that no counterintelligence alarm was triggered at the time that this alleged conversion was occurring. Most likely, that’s because at that time the sophisticated Islamic objectives driving the global jihad movement by the Muslim Brotherhood were not understood by those who witnessed his “conversion.”

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/19/the-islamic-cloud-over-brennan-and-hagel/#ixzz2uCf0mvfb
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter


32 posted on 02/23/2014 6:38:28 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: AU72

They’ve been dead to me for quite some time.


33 posted on 02/23/2014 6:40:46 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: markomalley

If the federal government spent money only on what they can do according to the Constitution, I bet we could cut the federal budget in half.


34 posted on 02/23/2014 6:43:36 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: VideoDoctor

You don’t think Obama WANTS to weaken our military?


35 posted on 02/23/2014 6:45:12 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: kristinn

Love it, ole Chucky is going to put military pay below minimum wage. How fitting coming from this disgraceful administration.


36 posted on 02/23/2014 7:02:23 PM PST by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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To: kristinn

From what I’ve read, when he was in the Army, Hagel was an enlisted man who didn’t have a good grip on buck private, and he is proving to be likewise as SECDEF under emperor 0bama.


37 posted on 02/23/2014 7:07:17 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Who but a TYRANT shoves down another man's throat what he has exempted himself from?)
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To: kristinn

I have a nephew who is a staff sergeant in the Army with 15 years in. He is just hoping to be able to finish out his 20 and retire!


38 posted on 02/23/2014 7:57:49 PM PST by longhorn too
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To: kristinn; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; ...

Active duty ping.


39 posted on 02/23/2014 8:03:25 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: markomalley

I would sign up to that, only under those pre-determined triggers. Way too much FedGov excess in other places. Hagel’s plan is akin to sacrificing muscle to cover for the fat.


40 posted on 02/23/2014 8:57:31 PM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: kristinn

Instead of taking from those protecting us,
how about you make cuts from those leaches on permanent welfare?
Worthless bunch these politicians are.


41 posted on 02/24/2014 3:36:12 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: Jim Robinson; kristinn; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; ...
OMB numbers and graphic below:

Compensation costs are not hollowing out the Pentagon's budget as Ryan and Chuck Hagel have repeatedly said. They are using a cooked book number by taking the projected costs only since 1998 projected through 2008 - during that time, Congress had to fix the disastrous REDUX that robbed post 1986 military officers and enlisted, and Congress implemented TRICARE For Life (TFL) that prevented retired military from being immediately booted from TRICARE when the reached Medicare age. But those were one time fixes. The personnel and compensation costs for military today are about 1/3rd, almost identical to what they have been since 1980.

It was either Mark Twain or British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli who famously stated the "lies, damn lies, and statistics" quote. That is the case here.

First, everything costs more in the DoD budget in actual dollars year to year. It is because of this little thingy called "inflation." The costs of food, fuel, and housing goes up for every American and every business as well. Moreover, the overall personnel strength in the DoD is smaller than it was in 1980, but not great by historical comparisons. Even with those factors, personnel and health care costs are NOT costing the DoD 50% of its budget. That is statistcal slight of hand that is a deliberate falsehood. It is done with intent of screwing over the very people who fight the wars, maintain the equipment, and do the actual work of the US military.

Again, the OMB numbers tell the same, consistent story: the cost of personnel and medical care for our military is roughly 1/3rd of the DoD budget, the same as it has been for decades.

Also, be wary of any Washington DC insider who uses the "projected costs" argument. Paul Ryan and Chuch Hagel are masters of this.

Let's say you had 2 years of large car repair bills. In 2012, your wife hit a deer and your deductible was large. Then, the transmission on your daughters car had to be replaced, and your own car threw a rod in 2013.

You could hold a Power Point presentation to your family in the living room, and announce that based on "projected costs" from 2012-2013, you will not be able to afford heating and groceries in 2018 based on your current salary should these same auto repair costs go up the same percentage year after year. There were one-time fixes to REDUX retirement and TRICARE, plus much needed multi-year pay raises in the very years Hagel and Ryan cherry pick to justify their "projected costs" argument.

Screwing over the very people who are the heart and soul of the US military is not a strategy.

It is a betrayal and suicide for the armed forces.

42 posted on 02/24/2014 6:15:31 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

If the same cuts go to EPA, IRS, welfare, staff, salaries, benefits and retirements to ALL of the government...


43 posted on 02/24/2014 6:26:14 AM PST by edcoil ( "All men's miseries derive from not being able to sit in a quiet room alone." - Blaise Pascal)
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