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Ukraine sets European course after ouster of Yanukovich
| By Natalia Zinets and Alessandra Prentice
Posted on 02/23/2014 4:25:27 PM PST by Carbonsteel
Reuters) - Ukraine's interim leadership pledged to put the country back on course for European integration now Moscow-backed Viktor Yanukovich had been ousted from the presidency, while the United States warned Russia against sending in its forces.
As rival neighbors east and west of the former Soviet republic said a power vacuum in Kiev must not lead to the country breaking apart, acting president Oleksander Turchinov said late on Sunday that Ukraine's new leaders wanted relations with Russia on a "new, equal and good-neighborly footing that recognizes and takes into account Ukraine's European choice".
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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: europeanunion; oleksanderturchinov; russia; ukraine; viktoryanukovich; yuliatymoshenko
This is good. Ukraine needs to be rid of the gangster-Russian yoke.
Why can't Ukraine integrate in both directions?
What economic attributes are either/or?
posted on 02/23/2014 4:28:13 PM PST
Because EU integration forces Ukraine to discriminate against non-EU products and citizens.
Last I read Russia wanted a customs union not a free trade area with the former Soviet republics. Again forcing it to discriminate against non-member states.
You can’t be part of two exclusionary clubs that exclude each other.
posted on 02/23/2014 4:34:21 PM PST
They really do. But I’m also worried about them joining the corrupt, socialist EU.
posted on 02/23/2014 4:36:54 PM PST
(Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
I wonder if the Russians are waiting for the Olympics to end to deal with this.
This may well have many good outcomes. Russia still has tremendous economic, resources, transport, strategic, historical, and ethnic interests in Ukraine. If EU/Germany gets too much say or control over Ukraine, you can pretty well bet that there will be a serious Russian response. (Why does WW2 keep coming to mind?)
Is president any relation to Weird al Yankovich ?
posted on 02/23/2014 5:15:57 PM PST
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posted on 02/23/2014 5:39:25 PM PST
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No, and Weird Al is not related to late great Polka King Frankie Yankovic either.
posted on 02/23/2014 5:40:02 PM PST
There is no beer in heaven; that’s why we drink it here!
They may have to give back Crimea to get it, though.
posted on 02/23/2014 5:47:08 PM PST
I don’t believe Russia will tolerate that. At minimum, Ukraine will split along language lines, and the Russian speaking areas will go to Russia.
To: Vince Ferrer
A shrunken Ukraine could choose the EU. The Russian-speaking east and south could be absorbed by Russia.
Every one would be happy. I don’t think Western Ukrainians would use force to keep the country together because no one would win and it would provoke Russian intervention.
A civilized divorce may be the most humane way out of a tense crisis.
posted on 02/23/2014 6:25:14 PM PST
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Ukraine sets Socialist European course after ouster of Yanukovich
posted on 02/23/2014 6:40:35 PM PST
by Navy Patriot
(Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
Hmmm, once again a freely elected leader is overthrown and then pro-EU people replace him.
Just where will EU get the billions in aid needed by Ukraine ?
posted on 02/23/2014 6:42:03 PM PST
The Russian's won't be happy until until all their neighbors are satellite states, as before. There no room for a truly independent Ukraine in the Russian worldview no matter what language the people living there speak.
posted on 02/23/2014 7:12:41 PM PST
Russia needs the ports and the pipelines carrying fossil fuels to Europe
To: Vince Ferrer
At minimum, Ukraine will split along language lines, and the Russian speaking areas will go to Russia
Ukrainians may face some very difficult choices in living so close to the Russian Bear. But many ethnic Ukrainians are Russian speakers and linguistic considerations won't necessarily trump ethnic ones.
See map below. Yellow and tan areas have ethnic Ukrainians who mostly (yellow)and predominantly (tan) speak Russian. Brown stripes indicate significant Russian ethnic population, while brown indicates ethnic Russian majority. See here
for link to article and map by "a Ukrainian-descended American software developer, based for the last two years here in Lviv, in western Ukraine, about 300 miles from the capital, Kyiv, where the worst of the recent civil unrest has taken place."
Both directions? Are you drunk?
Seems like the Ukraine could use all of the real help it could muster.
Unfortunately both sides want to use it as a pawn.
posted on 02/23/2014 7:28:47 PM PST
” - - - while the United States warned Russia against sending in its forces. - - - - “
THIS time Obama, as CIC, needs to be very specific about his fearsome “warnings.”
Obama’s major problem with his warnings to Syria was that he did not specify what kind of “Red Line” he was going to use.
Thus with Obama’s warnings to Russia, Obama should specify one of the following:
* A thick Red Line;
* A thin Red Line;
* A dashed thick Red Line;
* A dashed thin Red Line;
* Multiple solid and dashed thick and thin Red Lines.
Obama makes Foreign Policy look so easy that any kid from Kindergarten could be just as successful at it as Obama!
posted on 02/23/2014 7:45:26 PM PST
(Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
It’s easy for Americans to say that Ukraine should be split down the middle and half of it given to Russia. The Ukrainians themselves may have other ideas.
It's not that easy, vast majority of people in western and central regions would not be happy with eastern part leaving, what's more even majority of people in the east do not really want independence or becoming a part of Russia (otherwise the country would have split long time ago) they are “pro-Russian” culturally and economically, the problem is that vast majority of people in western and central regions want to keep the country in one piece and want it all to be closely associated with the west, while majority of people in the east also want to keep country in one piece but would like it to maintain close ties to Russia. The only major exception are southern regions, mainly Crimea, where people are openly pro-Russian. If Kremlin could be trusted, they could trade Crime for long-term economic aid but with these people in charge, they may flush any agreement down the closet a few months later and having Crimea they might create more problems like blocking naval transport etc.
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