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It is very interesting that the Muslims are demanding Spanish citizenship comes after the recent approval of a law that would grant Spanish citizenship to descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492.

Muslim supporters say they are entitled to the same rights and privileges as Jews because both groups were expelled from Spain under similar historical circumstances.

The difference is that very few descendants of Sephardic Jews subjected to the horrors of the Inquisition and expelled in 1492 will be taking up any Spanish citizenship. Ever since they've been expelled it has been forbidden for Jews to take up residency in Spain based on rabbinic decree.

But historians point out that the Jewish presence in Spain predates the arrival of Christianity in the country and that their expulsion was a matter of bigotry. By contrast, the Muslims in Spain were colonial occupiers who called the territory Al-Andalus and imposed Arabic as the official language. Historians say their expulsion was a matter of decolonization.

But, with the Muslims, it's please, my mind is made up, please don't confuse me with the facts.

1 posted on 02/23/2014 4:26:46 PM PST by lbryce
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Free Constantinople Now!


2 posted on 02/23/2014 4:32:28 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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The difference is that very few descendants of Sephardic Jews subjected to the horrors of the Inquisition and expelled in 1492 will be taking up any Spanish citizenship. Ever since they've been expelled it has been forbidden for Jews to take up residency in Spain based on rabbinic decree.

That sounded odd enough that I just had to look it up. Particularly since I know there are Jews living in Spain.

This rabbi says:

It's well known that following the expulsion of Jews from Spain, the rabbinic authorities of that generation prohibited establishing residence in Spain. Opinions vary as to whether this ban applied to all Jews, or only to those actually expelled from Spain.

Some authorities maintain that the ban against entering Spain was actually a Torah prohibition: Ferdinand and Isabella decreed that any Jew found in Spain must chose Christianity or death. Hence, entering Spain meant pretending to be Christian, which is forbidden for a Jew to do. In effect, therefore, the Torah itself - not a rabbinic ban - forbade the return to Spain.

According to this view, there is no prohibition nowadays against living in Spain, since today you can live there and practice Judaism. (The Inquisition was not officially revoked until last century.)

In conclusion, most authorities do permit living in Spain today. As far as I know, no similar ban was ever issued against living in Germany.


4 posted on 02/23/2014 4:34:42 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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In real life, how could any particular Jew prove he was descended from a Jew expelled from Spain over 500 years ago?


5 posted on 02/23/2014 4:36:02 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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Translation: We demand that you let us take over your country. Any less is racism.


6 posted on 02/23/2014 4:36:21 PM PST by TheGipperWasRight
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American blacks demand Nigerian Zambian African citizenship and free tickets to pick up their passports...government jobs will go up by 75%


7 posted on 02/23/2014 4:36:47 PM PST by Understand the stimulus
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any land settled by Islamists becomes Islamic territory for eternity. so says Islamic Supremacists.


8 posted on 02/23/2014 4:46:00 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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they need to say NO


9 posted on 02/23/2014 4:51:52 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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The islamonazis are already taking hold of Europe There’s another article today pointing out that France is having so much trouble because it’s let in oner five million Moslems already. Similar problems in UK, Norway, Denmark, Italy, even Germany. And remember that once someone gets into Eu they have basically free movement to go to any other euro country anyway. Europe may well be past the point of no return. USA is catching up tho.


11 posted on 02/23/2014 4:56:05 PM PST by faithhopecharity (" uri)
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Kick them out.


15 posted on 02/23/2014 5:54:48 PM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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Every non muz Spaniard should start stocking up on guns knives and swords..... Send a message.


16 posted on 02/23/2014 5:55:07 PM PST by LeoWindhorse
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History has shown that empires come and go. Of course all history is written wrong by some Muslim standards, but it could start a trend. Germany may want to take back all the territory gained by the 3rd Reich, the Mongols will want all their territory, and most of all the Red man of America would like their territory back too. I seem to recall Mussolini wanting to bring back the Glory Rome as well. Why can’t they just stay where they belong, and make life better there than trying to be parasites in another country? Funny tho, I don’t recall the Jewish hordes invading Spain, just some Muslim land pirates stealing in the name of God.


17 posted on 02/23/2014 6:09:09 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft (2016 an election or a coronation of a Queen?)
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“The difference is that very few descendants of Sephardic Jews subjected to the horrors of the Inquisition and expelled in 1492 will be taking up any Spanish citizenship. Ever since they’ve been expelled it has been forbidden for Jews to take up residency in Spain based on rabbinic decree.“

Quite an ignorant statement, only Catholics, or those converted to the Catholic faith, were judged by the Tribunal of the Inquisition, neither Jews nor Muslims were under the jurisdiction of the Inquisition.

Jews forbidden to take residence in Spain?... Absolutely ridiculous, during the Holocaust and with 20 German divisions on the frontier with France threatening to enter in Spain to take over the Peñón Gibraltar to control the entrance to the Mediterranean Sea, Franco cognized as Spanish citizens all the descendants of the Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492. Franco also founded in Barcelona an Institute of Hebraic Studies.

Thanks to Franco more than 60,000 Jews saved their lives receiving refuge in Spain regardless if they were Sephardic or Ashkenazi Jews, a fact that was recognized by the American Sephardic Jews.

I am sure that those Jews were extremely happy to be back in their beloved “Sepharad”.

FRANCISCO FRANCO, BENEFACTOR OF THE JEWS:

However general history may judge him, in Jewish history, Franco shall certainly occupy a special place... Jews should honor and bless the memory of this great benefactor of the Jewish people...who neither sought nor reaped any benefit from what he did.

—From a four page obituary in The American Sephardic Journal of the Sephardic Studies Program of Yeshiva University, volume IX, 1978.

James Michener in Iberia, 1968, page 547: “...Generalissimo Franco is highly regarded by Jews; during the worst days of World War II, when pressures from Hitler were at their heaviest, Franco refused to issue anti-Jewish edicts and instead provided a sanctuary, never violated, for Jews who managed to make it to Spain. Many thousands of Jews owe their lives to Franco, and this is not forgotten.”

In Resolutions of the War Emergency Conference of the World Jewish Congress, Atlantic City, New Jersey, November 26-30, 1944, page 15: “The War Emergency Conference extends its gratitude to the Holy See and to the Governments of Sweden, Switzerland, and Spain... for the protection they offered under difficult conditions to the persecuted Jews of Hungary...”

In the Congressional Record of January 24, 1950, Rep. Abraham Multer quotes a spokesman for the Joint Distribution Committee: “During the height of Hitler’s blood baths, upwards of 60,000 Jews had been saved by the generosity of Spanish authorities.”

Newsweek, March 2, 1970: “...a respected U.S. rabbi has come forward with surprising evidence that tens of thousands of Jews were saved from Nazi ovens by the personal intervention of an unlikely protector.”I have absolute proof that Franco saved more than 60,000 Jews during World War II,” says Rabbi Chain Lipscitz of Brooklyn’s Torah Vodaath and Mesitva rabbinical seminary.

In the context of the Holocaust, truth should prevail over myth, prejudices or bigotry. It is a fact recognized by the founders of the State of Israel that thanks to the Catholic Church, and by order of Pope Pius XII, more than 800,000 Jews were saved from the Nazis in the occupied Europe. That was in stark contrast to the action of the Allies, England close the door of Palestine to the Jews trying to flee occupied Europe and Franklin Delano Roosevelt also closed the door to the Jews, and less than 10,000 Jews were given refuge in the United States.


20 posted on 02/23/2014 6:46:35 PM PST by Dqban22
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I don't understand why any Jew would want to live in Europe. Europe is a Jewish cemetery.

'Eretz Yisra'el is open. Why would any Jew bypass it for some other place?

25 posted on 02/24/2014 8:06:44 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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27 posted on 02/24/2014 1:03:57 PM PST by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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Arent jews and christians fleeing islam nations to Europe. What a bunch of insulting horse crap . Islam in Spain was not an oppressed minority.


28 posted on 02/24/2014 4:28:04 PM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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