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Argentina Prepares to Go to War Against Britain or Argentines
The Las Vegas Guardian Liberty Voice ^ | February 23, 2014 | Jerry Nelson

Posted on 02/23/2014 9:56:12 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Argentina is preparing for a war either against Britain or Argentines. No one is sure as the country acquires military hardware that includes, jet fighters, anti-aircraft guns and specialized radar. The news came late Saturday night, just a few months before oil drilling begins in the Falkland Islands area.

Besieged by runaway inflation, corruption and inefficiency in government as well as being impotent to stop rampant crime, Argentina’s failing President, Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, seems to be taking a page from history’s playbook. In January she created a new cabinet position, Secretary for the Malvinas, Argentina’s name for the Falklands.

Kirchner has set aside $750 million, a 33 percent rise, for over 30 military modernization programs. In addition to the aircraft and anti-aircraft weaponry, Kirchner is also using some of the set aside to buy medium tanks, transport aircraft as well as rocket systems, helicopters and the development of drones. Casa Rosada, “The Pink House,” announced that new commando and special forces units will also be formed.

The military hardware is in addition to 20 French Mirage fighters which Argentina bought from Spain in August 2013. The fighters, along with the new shopping list, will give the Argentina president the ability to strike Port Stanley in the Falklands with pin point accuracy.

Sources with Rockhopper Exploration, a British firm, have confirmed reports that drilling may begin very soon. The Sea Lion field in the Falklands is believed to have an oil reserve of 390 million barrels.

Kirchner’s administration has sent several hundred letters to Britain firms promising fines of up to $1.5 billion and 15-year-jail terms if drilling happens without Argentina’s consent. While the intimidation has no standing in international law, they are widely seen as examples of the efforts the president will expend in order to boost flagging domestic support.

Admiral Lord West, commanded the HMS Ardent and was at the helm when it was sunk during the Falklands War. West said a major increase in expenditure by Argentina must be looked upon with concern. Britain will not have any aircraft carriers operational until 2020. The six-year window presents plenty of opportunity for Argentina to act.

While many observers feel the military build up is in anticipation of another attack on the Falklands, others aren’t so sure. As unrest at home grows, Kirchner has announced that she stands in solidarity with the embattled Nicolas Maduro, President of riot torn Venezuela. In various pronouncements, Kirchner has already declared that she will do whatever is necessary to keep the violence from coming to Argentina.

Military Presence to be Used Against Argentines?

In Buenos Aires lately, another theory is shaping up in the coffee houses. The military buildup is to be used to keep the Argentines in line as the violence in Venezuela continues to threaten expansion.

David Gambarin, 90, still puts on a suit and goes to his office in downtown Buenos Aires. A real-estate broker, Gambarin says that the country has always had instability. “This is how we Argentines are,” he says.

A little over a decade after the last crash in 2001, Argentina is on the edge of melting down again. The peso fell in value by 23 percent in January and economists are saying that inflation and recession will follow. Kirchner is restricting access to dollars and is threatening shopkeepers with foreclosure.

Like most people here, Gambarin is resigned about the tumult. An immigrant from Russia, Gambarin was a boy when he got to Argentina and has lived through five coups. Gambarin remembers that in the 1980s, inflation rates rose so quickly that shoppers literally ran to the checkout lines to pay for their purchase before the items were marked up again.

Economists classify Argentina as an “emerging market,” but the country’s economy has been on the slide for 100 years. In 1910, Argentina was among the world’s 10 wealthiest countries, today its per capita income is not even half that of the US.

While people discuss the reason behind the military buildup, there is not any debate about the cause of Argentina’s problems. “Bad government,” says economist Marina Dal Poggetto. For decades, Argentina’s leaders have spent wildly during the good years and forgot to save for the bad ones. To keep the good times rolling, the government has borrowed heavily or just turned to the printing press to turn out more money.

The wall behind Dal Poggeto’s desk is filled with picture frames containing rows of Argentine currencies which have been used and discarded in faulty economic plans. Argentina has lopped off 13 zeroes from its bank notes since 1969. In 1991, the 10,000 austral note was replaced by the one peso note which was worth $1 (USD). Today, that same one peso note is worth 9 cents.

For the poorest of Argentines, crises mean calamity. With no access to American dollars, the poor watch as inflation eliminates the purchasing power of their salaries putting them in a position where they cannot buy food. Mobs in the thousands looted supermarkets throughout Argentina in the crises of 1989 and 2001.

Economists say that in the best case, inflation in Argentina will head to 35 percent to 40 percent and the economy will stagnate. The worst case scenario is too difficult for them to put into words.

Whether the buildup in Argentina is in anticipation of new drilling in the Falklands or preparation for violent protests, a look at Argentine history reveals something unsettling. South America’s second largest country is destined to experience a meltdown about once per decade. There isn’t much anyone can do about it.

Gambarin says he already knows what will happen. “Nothing. Nothing will happen,” he said. “We are used to this. Every few years things get wiped out. Someone else will come along promising to fix Argentina. But everything will remain the same.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: argentina; britain; falklands; southamerica; war
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Once an up-and-coming regional superpower with more gold than Fort Knox and more beef than Texas, it was ruined by Juan and Evita and their statist successors.
1 posted on 02/23/2014 9:56:13 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And Britain was ruined by the the statists who ousted Thatcher. Who will win in a war of weakened powers?

Time will tell, but I am betting this military buildup has more to do with the Plastic Queen watching with horror as Venezuela falls apart. She just can’t fathom the greedy serfs picking the jewels from her crown.


2 posted on 02/23/2014 10:00:24 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

British submarines will take out the Argentine Navy. All you have to say is “Belgrano” and see what happens.

I’m willing to bet that the Brits have lots of Harrier Jump jets still left either on or near the Falklands. The US, in one of its stupidest demilitarization moves in recent times, stopped buying them from England so our units had to buy older British models to cannibalize them for parts.

They were extremely effective in Iraq and if they haven’t been used in Afghanistan, they should be. Can on on your driveway and packs a deadly punch.

Another of one of Obama’s lets get our troops killed while I can.


3 posted on 02/23/2014 10:02:46 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
I’m willing to bet that the Brits have lots of Harrier Jump jets still left either on or near the Falklands.

As I recall, a squadron of Typhoons are based on the Falklands.

The entire Argentine Air Force wouldn't be a match for them.

4 posted on 02/23/2014 10:06:10 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

The RAF has a flight of Typhoons stationed at Mount pleasant.


5 posted on 02/23/2014 10:06:45 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Viennacon

We shouldn’t laugh too hard after letting the Bush dynasty, the Clintons and the Chicago grifters take us apart.


6 posted on 02/23/2014 10:07:32 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh, I don’t laugh. It’s the good people who live on the islands who will suffer if something goes bad. In a lot of Britain’s far-flung outposts, the people have retained their moral character, being distant from the squalor.


7 posted on 02/23/2014 10:09:39 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon; 2ndDivisionVet
I'm thinking that the US will hit bottom first. We funded and conspired with Dr Evil to foment revolution in Ukraine (not saying the ousted leaders were any good, just the truth). Now our state department is warning Russia to stay out of the internal relations of a country that is on Russia's border and is historically linked.

Don't buy green bananas. Just sayin'

8 posted on 02/23/2014 10:11:04 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Eagles6

I think “president” Cruz will put us back on track, just as President Reagan did after the hapless, misguided Carter administration. I was there and saw it with my own two eyes, although I was a spear carrier Spec/5.


9 posted on 02/23/2014 10:15:34 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: okie01

The Brits will need more that a squadron of Typhoons to deal with the Argentinians, if that is all they have on the islands.

That is unless there is some damned good, long range AA missiles around to take out the Ars early on.

However, aren’t the Typhoons also bombers? If so, they would be better suited to hitting the mainland or at least the Argentinian Navy (assuming the subs don’t get them all).

One should always have a mix & match air force when confronted by a possible attack. That is why the Harriers are so important. Can land on a dime, carry a mixed weapons payload, and also act as fighters. Which is exactly why the US dropped them. Too efficient and not very costly.

The Brits also have the old Blowpipe AA missile and I assume a couple newer generations of them we haven’t seen. Hopefully every household in the Falklands has one in the closet.

British logistical systems are for crap. It was the US that helped the Brits in the 1980’s resupply their forces.

That is why an aircraft carrier is so important, even if it is only a small one. Lesson not learned by the British even as far back as WW2 (Believe they lost the Ark and the Dove to the Japs which killed their offensive and defensive capabilities re Singapore, Burma, etc.


10 posted on 02/23/2014 10:15:52 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Eagles6

Well, it looks like the country is about to divide. Crimea saw massive secessionist protests in the ‘capital’ of Sevastapol today. They want nothing to do with the protesters in Kiev.


11 posted on 02/23/2014 10:19:13 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

The Brits also keep naval assets in the area including attack subs.


12 posted on 02/23/2014 10:30:50 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

The UK has a squadron of Typhoon fighters based on the main Falkland Islands. They have retired their jump jets.

But the Typhoons are very modern and very capable and will handle any old Mirages or A-4s the Argentines still have.

A single British nuclear attack submarine will handle the entire Argentine Navy...or what is left of it.

Prospects for a successful Argentine operation against the Falklands are very poor...even without the UK carriers.


13 posted on 02/23/2014 10:34:14 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
(Believe they lost the Ark and the Dove to the Japs which killed their offensive and defensive capabilities re Singapore, Burma, etc.

The Brits had no aircraft carrier stationed in Asian waters at the beginning of WW II.

You are probably referring to the loss of the battleship HMS Prince of Wales and battle cruiser HMS Repulse, sunk by land-based Japanese planes off Malaya in December, 1941 -- eliminating the major units of the RN in the Far East.

The Ark Royal was sunk by a U-boat off Gibraltar.

14 posted on 02/23/2014 10:37:45 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

The Typhoons are very capable, and can serve in either the air superiority role or the attack role. They can carry any of the modern A2A missiles from AIM-9X to ASRAAMs to AMRAAMs.

They would be more than a match for anything the Argentines could throw at them. They would have to hold until reinforcement aircraft got there...which would be quickly forthcoming in the event of an attack.


15 posted on 02/23/2014 10:40:17 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: okie01

You’re right. Got my ships mixed up. Those loses crippled the British Navy’s fighting abilities in Asia and hurt them in the European Theater.

As I recall, British carrier planes destroyed the Italian navy at Taranto Bay by using aerial torpedoes with devastating effect.

Can’t get to my WW2 history books right now so I’m winging it.


16 posted on 02/23/2014 10:41:24 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Viennacon
Well, it looks like the country is about to divide. Crimea saw massive secessionist protests in the ‘capital’ of Sevastapol today

Pssssst! Wrong conflict.

17 posted on 02/23/2014 10:42:19 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
As I recall, British carrier planes destroyed the Italian navy at Taranto Bay by using aerial torpedoes with devastating effect.

You got it right. The raid was conducted by Swordfish biplanes off the deck of the Illustrious.

18 posted on 02/23/2014 10:48:57 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01

Ah, sorry wrong thread. haha. But still, a very interesting development!


19 posted on 02/23/2014 11:03:49 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Brits have 4 Typhoons and a company of infantry at Mt. Pleasant in the Falklands.

Might not sound like much but the Typhoon is a much more modern aircraft than anything Argentina is deploying.

Unlike in 1982, Argentina has little ability to land troops in the Falklands, their LST, the Cabo San Antonio, left service 20 years ago.


20 posted on 02/23/2014 11:11:05 PM PST by Snickering Hound
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m on board.


21 posted on 02/23/2014 11:23:58 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

The Brits will give the Argies a good blocking!


22 posted on 02/23/2014 11:42:20 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Viennacon; Eagles6

Because the Crimea is 77% Ruskie


23 posted on 02/24/2014 12:17:47 AM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos

Exactly.


24 posted on 02/24/2014 12:19:14 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: Cronos; Viennacon

Is soros telling jarrett to tell obozo, nuland, powers,et al to poke the Russian bear with a stick? Appears so. This will not end well.


25 posted on 02/24/2014 1:06:07 AM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: okie01

Wasn’t HMS Hermes sunk off Ceylon in April 1942 when the IJN came into the Indian Ocean. Around the same time Cornwall and Dorsetshire were sunk.


26 posted on 02/24/2014 1:23:20 AM PST by Hiryusan
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
Do try to keep up old boy! Blowpipe was dropped in 85, there's a new generation missile. Starstreak, Rapier FSC plus the AA combat load on a single Typhoon all on the Falklands. Add the Hunter Killer sub that's there no doubt and a type 54 Destroyer and it's game over for Agentina.

Not convinced?

After 82 the British put in place a rapid reaction force specifically to reinforce the Falklands, it runs via the Ascension Islands. Reaction time is 18 hrs, and yup the Ascension's are British and commanded by a British Officer, we wouldn't want to use an American base because your leaders can't be trusted.

27 posted on 02/24/2014 1:34:19 AM PST by Hawker Tempest (Get a Passport or read some news. Information is... I give up!!!!)
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To: Hiryusan
Wasn’t HMS Hermes sunk off Ceylon in April 1942 when the IJN came into the Indian Ocean.

So it was. But the Hermes wasn't posted to the Eastern Fleet and Ceylon until February, 1942 -- three months after the Japanese initiated their attacks against the British Empire.

28 posted on 02/24/2014 1:54:36 AM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Eagles6

The Russians are just waiting for the Olympics to be over. Now that they are, lets see what will happen.


29 posted on 02/24/2014 2:15:03 AM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Maybe they’re going to invade Venezuela. Everybody and their parrot seems lined up to do so at some point in the future. More seriously, if I were Argentina, I’d be quite worried about the “far in the continent” possible buildup.


30 posted on 02/24/2014 3:35:04 AM PST by Moose Burger
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Another fascist bridge to nowhere. Gaining the Falkland will gain them nothing other than becoming another Chinese like bully.


31 posted on 02/24/2014 4:12:26 AM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Hawker Tempest
"...we wouldn't want to use an American base because your leaders can't be trusted."

Ha! tell me about it..........
(That is a painful truth you speak, cousin).

32 posted on 02/24/2014 4:24:05 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

10-15 cruise missiles at the heart of the power grid for B. A. could create enough domestic turmoil to forestall any action against the Faulklands.


33 posted on 02/24/2014 4:35:48 AM PST by joelt
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The US population will support the British,not so much Obama.
34 posted on 02/24/2014 4:41:54 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They could learn from Chile, but... nah.


35 posted on 02/24/2014 4:47:49 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Hawker Tempest
we wouldn't want to use an American base because your leaders can't be trusted.

Now what gives you that impression ? Agreeing with you.

36 posted on 02/24/2014 5:00:36 AM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
We could learn from Chile...
37 posted on 02/24/2014 5:00:40 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Argentina’s citizens should take to the street and demand freedom. Argentina’s president and the pols are ruining the country.


38 posted on 02/24/2014 5:04:29 AM PST by ExCTCitizen (2014: The Year of DEAD RINOS)
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To: Cronos

A little ethnic cleansing (Stalin) goes a long way.


39 posted on 02/24/2014 5:19:58 AM PST by DeaconBenjamin (A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're NOT talking real money)
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To: Eagles6; Viennacon

Soros doesn’t have anything to do with it.


40 posted on 02/24/2014 7:26:06 AM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: joelt
10-15 cruise missiles at the heart of the power grid for B. A. could create enough domestic turmoil to forestall any action against the Faulklands.

You're right. The Brit attack subs carry cruise missiles and could knock out the B.A. power grid in half an hour. My guess is the Brits will not be so polite about the Argentinians invading their territory next time round.

41 posted on 02/24/2014 8:58:33 AM PST by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
“I’m willing to bet that the Brits have lots of Harrier Jump jets still left either on or near the Falklands. The US, in one of its stupidest demilitarization moves in recent times, stopped buying them from England so our units had to buy older British models to cannibalize them for parts.”

Wrong. The Brits retired both their Sea Harriers (aircraft and spares sold to India) and the Harrier GR7/9. The latter and parts inventory were sold to the U.S. as support for the Marine’s AV-8B Harriers until the F-35B is available.

The AV-8B was designed and built by McDonald-Douglas for the UK (the AV-8A, long retired came to the USMC by way of the UK and BAe). Boeing has since acquired M-D and is responsible for the AV-8B Harriers in service. Italy acquired AV-8B Harriers and Spain acquired EAV-8B Harriers from M-D.

42 posted on 02/24/2014 11:36:15 AM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Cronos

With US foreign policy?


43 posted on 02/24/2014 1:09:06 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Hawker Tempest

I’m way behind on what the Brits have in way of armaments these days, other than what I read here and from Viet Vet friends about Afghanistan.

I remember the Blowpipe because it was a simple but effective system. The US didn’t have much until the Stinger which changed the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan.

I’m glad to hear that someone in England actually realizes what a dangerous world it is out there, and is preparing weapons to face it.

I’m afraid that the US is still in a pre-Pearl Harbor mode re developing realistic and less expensive weapons systems rather than put it all in extremely expensive, limited production save-the-world items.

The LAW in Vietnam was an effective weapon but it was a one-shot job (unlike the old Bazooka which could fire as many rockets as were fed it). The NVA/VC used the RPG very effectively against our bunkers, aircraft (SEAL TEAM 6 Chinook in Afghanistan), and general targets - easy to carry, to fed, to use - 6 pack stiks carried by support troops and one weapons’ operator - IT WORKED).

We never developed or modified the RPG for American troops. STUPID, STUPID, STUPID. ARVN troops did use captured NVA materials.


44 posted on 02/24/2014 6:06:01 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Like Venezuela they made it nearly impossible for their economy to function properly and now need a distraction and someone to blame.


45 posted on 02/24/2014 6:09:50 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Viennacon

Sevastopol is a Russian colony


46 posted on 02/24/2014 6:15:41 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

I wonder how Chile feels about Argentina and the UK?

Does the new Chile socialist leader want to be a mess like Argentina and Venezuela? Or maybe allow some UK ships and aircraft drop by a “good will tour”?


47 posted on 02/24/2014 6:18:55 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Viennacon

Debka (I know, I know....) says Russia is mobilizing their rapid reaction troops...

http://osnetdaily.com/2014/02/breaking-russia-mobilizes-rapid-deployment-forces-to-ukraine-border/


48 posted on 02/24/2014 6:25:57 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

Not sure how the new Chilean leader feels given what happened to Chile during Allende’s transitioning rule to a marxist state, shortstopped by the military.

Also, Chile is a well educated country, has a thriving free enterprise system, and doesn’t want to go thru another military junta.

They might just sit this whole thing out.

Latin America has been cursed by poor leaders on the Right and Center, as well as ideologue communist traitors on the Left. After all these years, I had hoped that they would have moved on beyond the Chavez’s, Morales, Correa, Ortegas, FLMN, the Montenerous of Uruguay, the Castros, Bishop/Coard, and Kirchners/Perons, all of whom are now in power.

However, given our Obama the Marxist in Chief, what is going on in Latin America is on par with what is now going on in the U.S.


49 posted on 02/24/2014 6:27:18 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: joelt
10-15 cruise missiles at the heart of the power grid for B. A. could create enough domestic turmoil to forestall any action against the Faulklands.

10-15?? I think 1 would do it. Their power grid fails every other night as it is.

50 posted on 02/24/2014 6:31:53 PM PST by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!)
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