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Defense budget said to shrink Army to pre-World War II low
UPI ^ | Feb 24, 2014 | UPI

Posted on 02/23/2014 11:24:29 PM PST by Vince Ferrer

WASHINGTON, Feb. 24 (UPI) -- Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel plans to shrink the U.S. Army to its smallest force since before World War II, Pentagon officials told the New York Times.

The plans, to be laid out in Hagel's first defense budget Monday, call for the entire fleet of Air Force A-10 Thunderbolt II attack aircraft to be eliminated, the newspaper said, citing Pentagon officials ahead of Hagel's release of the spending plan.

The twin-engine jet is the only Air Force aircraft designed solely for close air support of ground forces. It was developed in the 1970s to attack Soviet tanks in case of a European invasion -- capabilities the Pentagon deems less relevant today, the Times said.

The proposed budget includes limits on military pay raises, higher fees for military healthcare benefits and less generous military housing allowances, the Wall Street Journal said.

Pentagon officials describe the cuts as a modest and realistic plan to save billions of dollars needed to protect other critical portions of U.S. defense spending, the Journal said.

The proposed changes, which will be subject to congressional approval, are intended to comply with the Bipartisan Budget Act reached by President Barack Obama and Congress, the Times said. That deal, which passed the House Dec. 12 and the Senate Dec. 18, imposes a military spending cap of about $496 billion for the 2015 fiscal year.

The changes, endorsed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, are also intended to conform to Obama's pledge to end two costly and exhausting land wars.

A result will be a military capable of defeating any adversary, but too small for prolonged foreign occupations, Pentagon officials told the Times.

"We're still going to have a very significant-sized Army," an official said. "But it's going to be agile. It will be capable. It will be modern. It will be trained."

The Army, which did the most U.S. fighting and had the most casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq, is proposed in Hagel's budget to drop to 440,000 to 450,000 troops, the smallest force since 1940, the Times said.

It was already scheduled to drop to 490,000 troops from a post-Sept. 11, 2001, peak of 570,000.

Money saved by cutting the number of personnel would assure U.S. fighting soldiers would be well trained and supplied with the best weaponry, the officials told the newspaper.

The cuts in housing allowances and other benefits, such as less support for grocery stores that offer discounts to military families, reflect economic realities, the Defense Department said.

"Personnel costs reflect some 50 percent of the Pentagon budget and cannot be exempted in the context of the significant cuts the department is facing," department spokesman Adm. John Kirby told the Journal.

"Secretary Hagel has been clear that, while we do not want to, we ultimately must slow the growth of military pay and compensation," Kirby said.

Hagel's plan calls for a one-year pay freeze for the Defense Department's top military leaders -- a gesture the Journal said was meant to show that even the best-compensated leaders would make sacrifices.


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I wouldn't support any cuts after this for the military. We need to start cutting the entitlements and discretionary spending.
1 posted on 02/23/2014 11:24:29 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

2 posted on 02/23/2014 11:30:54 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Vince Ferrer

And that shrinking helped to bring about WWII


3 posted on 02/23/2014 11:32:40 PM PST by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Vince Ferrer
The proposed budget includes limits on military pay raises, higher fees for military healthcare benefits and less generous military housing allowances...

Nothing new here, just Obama's butt-boy doing the job he was hired for.

4 posted on 02/23/2014 11:44:37 PM PST by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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To: Vince Ferrer

And when they ramp up the troop numbers again, it will be with the “correct” breed of members who will not hesitate to fire on American citizens.


5 posted on 02/23/2014 11:47:57 PM PST by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: DakotaGator; All

Got to cut those taxes somewhere, so says Grover Norquist and his Muslim wife.


6 posted on 02/23/2014 11:53:53 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: informavoracious

..and this is why A-10’s are no longer needed. American citizens don’t have tanks.


7 posted on 02/23/2014 11:56:38 PM PST by CivilWarBrewing
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To: DakotaGator

Hagel is one of the people on this earth that I despise. He’s a veteran who, like his buddy McCain, turned traitor against his fellow veterans.

I wouldn’t serve this CIC for any reason. People should stop enlisting. Of course, that’s probably what they want.


8 posted on 02/24/2014 12:00:23 AM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Vince Ferrer

Gee, where have we seen this before......


9 posted on 02/24/2014 12:44:44 AM PST by onona (The entitlement army doesnÂ’t vote for candidates, they vote for gravy.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Now let’s take the rest of the government back to its pre-WWII low.


10 posted on 02/24/2014 1:44:48 AM PST by oblomov
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To: Vince Ferrer

I recall a series of Army exercises, called something like the Louisiana Maneuvers or something like that back before WWII. They were really prepared. The picture I recall most is an old truck with a sign on it that read “TANK.”

So is this what we’re gonna go back to?


11 posted on 02/24/2014 1:55:48 AM PST by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Vince Ferrer

“We’re still going to have a very significant-sized Army,” an official said. “But it’s going to be agile. It will be capable. It will be modern. It will be trained.”


It will be so busy that the men and women in it will be dropping dead from overwork and being assigned away from friends and family for so long that they lose it all, Friends, Family, health, etc. For many if not most people in the service, it’s the ‘support network’ outside the bounds of the service that keep them sane and healthy. Not the PC, keep a watch on your mouth and keep watching your back for the knives that will eventually come for you.


12 posted on 02/24/2014 2:53:15 AM PST by The Working Man
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To: Vince Ferrer

Yep.

I will be for military cuts only, and ONLY, if all other entitlement programs are cut equally.

Otherwise, I am vehemently against it.

We need to cut spending. That much is clear. But I’ll be DAMNED if I will support cutting only the military, which is what I see.

Damn all of them to Hell. This makes me angry. I despise liberalism, which is really at the root of this.


13 posted on 02/24/2014 3:22:02 AM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: Nachum

Yep. Nothing breeds aggression like weakness.


14 posted on 02/24/2014 3:22:39 AM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: Vince Ferrer

This is supposed to prevent us from getting into prolonged foreign entanglements,I guess the lying National security advisor,Susan Rice has not gotten the message,she is going around warning Russia not to send troops into Kiev,ok,Miss Rice,what are you going to do about it without an Army or Air Force,IDIOT


15 posted on 02/24/2014 3:45:22 AM PST by ballplayer
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To: Vince Ferrer
We need to start cutting the entitlements and discretionary spending.

The defense budget is considered discretionary spending. But I agree that cutting defense alone will not solve our problems. Entitlement spending must be gotten under control. But I don't see the courage to do that on either side of the aisle.

16 posted on 02/24/2014 3:49:36 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Vince Ferrer

http://news.yahoo.com/u-military-size-civil-war-today-003500646.html
“”Before the Civil War began in 1861, American Military History states the regular U.S. Army had 1,080 officers and nearly 15,000 enlisted men as of June 1860...

By the end of the war, there were over 1 million volunteers serving in the U.S. military. Within two years, the force was reduced to just over 11,000, a size even smaller than before the war. Adding part-time enlistees, a regular force of 57,000 men was realized for about five years. By 1876, there were just over 27,000 personnel in the military.

World Wars

When World War I started, the American military was in the process of increasing in size. Congress authorized an increase to 400,000 members in the National Guard to augment a regular Army size of around 175,000 in peace time. When President Woodrow Wilson called for the United States to enter World War I in Europe, volunteers to the force topped 2 million.

The Information Please Online Almanac states the U.S. military reached its highest enlistment in 1945. By the time World War II ended, there were over 12 million military personnel in the Army, Navy and Marine Corps combined. The U.S. Army had about 1.5 million people at the start of World War II.

Modern Times

Since the Vietnam War, troop levels decreased from about 3 million to roughly 1.4 million active personnel over the past two decades. PBS reported in 2004 that there were 499,000 active duty U.S. Army personnel backed up by 700,000 part time National Guard troops. Those numbers were about a third less than the force available during the Persian Gulf War in 1991...””


17 posted on 02/24/2014 3:49:55 AM PST by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: rlmorel

The other entitlements are growing out of control, which is why they need the military to shrink.

Eventually, we won’t need a military. We’ll have just the Free Sh!T Army keeping order—just like in Venezuela.


18 posted on 02/24/2014 4:06:13 AM PST by rbg81
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To: Vince Ferrer

Our government is in the pocket of the student loan liberal mafia. It only contracts now libart libtards for the war on poverty, not the hard sciences.


19 posted on 02/24/2014 4:07:35 AM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: DoodleDawg
The defense budget is considered discretionary spending. But I agree that cutting defense alone will not solve our problems. Entitlement spending must be gotten under control. But I don't see the courage to do that on either side of the aisle.

On the other hand, national defense is a job mandated to the federal government in the Constitution.

There is no mention of Entitlements...

20 posted on 02/24/2014 4:20:25 AM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Gaffer

Nah. We’ll just go back to the Clinton years when a soldier had the TANK sign pinned on.


21 posted on 02/24/2014 4:29:04 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: okie01
There is no mention of Entitlements...

No, it is Congress that divided spending into discretionary and non-discretionary. I don't see them having the courage to change it.

22 posted on 02/24/2014 4:34:46 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
I don't see them having the courage to change it.

I don't either.

But not changing it is a dereliction of duty.

23 posted on 02/24/2014 4:46:20 AM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Toto, we’re not in Sparta any more...


24 posted on 02/24/2014 4:48:45 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

By all means, go to a defense posture from 70 years
ago. Madness.


25 posted on 02/24/2014 4:51:11 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Vince Ferrer
"We're still going to have a very significant-sized Army," an official said. "But it's going to be agile. It will be capable. It will be modern. It will be trained."

It will be...


26 posted on 02/24/2014 5:15:09 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Vince Ferrer
That's because he's gearing up DHS and other Gestapo to fight American’s
27 posted on 02/24/2014 5:17:42 AM PST by G Larry
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To: Vince Ferrer

islamism


28 posted on 02/24/2014 5:24:44 AM PST by onedoug
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To: onedoug

Great. An America made up of entitlement-sucking weaklings and a hollow Army to defend it.

Why don’t we just offer ourselves up now and get it over with.

God I hate liberals - just hate them with a passion for what they’ve done to this country.


29 posted on 02/24/2014 5:30:16 AM PST by LibsRJerks
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To: Vince Ferrer

How bad can this get? On Pearl Harbor Day there were more New York City cops than United States Marines and we know how that turned out.


30 posted on 02/24/2014 6:09:11 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: PIF

We had plenty of tanks during the Clinton years.


31 posted on 02/24/2014 6:18:37 AM PST by bigdaddy45
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To: Vince Ferrer

The A10 is my favorite flying machine. RIP, Warthog.


32 posted on 02/24/2014 6:37:23 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Vince Ferrer

All in order to transfer money to the Free S*** Army (Obama’s beloved Gimmie Brigades).


33 posted on 02/24/2014 6:44:40 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Nor would I, but we need a realistic DOD budget with the PORK palm greasing gone and raises for our Troops especially the lower enlisted. And to take care of of Veterans. You can see the palm greasing in the first article. And the plans for our Active and Retired in the rest. Along with other social programs Fraud and Abuse. There are so many articles on FR on Medicare cuts that some conservative local papers and msm did report. $7 Trillion over 20 yrs. And if you are the unlucky souls like we are Medicare/Tricare Life, you have the worst rationed health ins there is. And not way out.

Military Waste and Fraud Continue In the Middle of the Government Shutdown Washington’s Blog
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/10/wasted-military.html

http://www.reuters.com/investigates/pentagon/#article/part1

Military Pay Chart: http://www.militaryfactory.com/military_pay_scale.asp

AMERICAN WAR DEATHS
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004615.html

Mugging the Military
http://www.ijreview.com/2012/06/9466-mugging-soldiers/

Mugging our Troops
http://www.reuters.com/investigates/pentagon/#article/part1

0bama to Force Military Families Away From Tricare ...By Tripling Their Fees.

Medicare And Medicaid Fraud Is Costing Taxpayers Billions
http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2012/05/31/medicare-and-medicaid-fraud-is-costing-taxpayers-billions/

How big is Medicare fraud?
http://www.bankrate.com/financing/retirement/how-big-is-medicare-fraud/

Anchor Baby Outrage: Americans Pay BILLIONS for Illegal Alien Births (Video) http://toprightnews.com/?p=1333
Not only do we pay for them to be born here, then there is the food stamps, welfare, Medicaid, cell phones, school and the Judicial system and I am sure many more we could add that ILLEGAL INVADERS are not entitled to.

Sen Dems Why Didn’t some one tell us Obamacare would CUT MEDICARE!
http://floppingaces.net/most_wanted/senate-democrats-why-didnt-someone-tell-us-obamacare-would-cut-medicare/comment-page-1/


34 posted on 02/24/2014 6:51:53 AM PST by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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To: VerySadAmerican

Wait until they have to start Drafting, some 18 year old male will SUE the pants off over the Equal Rights issue. Women stuck their noses under the camel’s tent by insisting on going into combat, they will also have to be forced to register for the Draft.


35 posted on 02/24/2014 6:54:37 AM PST by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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To: iowamark

If memory serves unless we are at war like WW1,, 2 or Nam around 1-2% OF AMERICANS EVER ENLIST.

Any one both male or female who wants to run for any public office should do a 4 year tour of duty starting as a E1 despite education level, and no outside help from rich parents. Let them find out how BAD it is for the lower ranks.

Our inland Navy base Millington TN was a training base, a few years ago they turned it into BUPERS paper pushers. Before we had 1 top Brass, now we have 12. Commissary cost as much as Kroger’s minus the 4.75 extra sales tax, Exchange only carries mostly top designer stuff like a Vera Wang wallet is $200, only the Brass can afford that crap.

Hubby is Ret SCPO who taught A/B schools there, when he was not at sea or posted in Japan. Couple of those sea duties was on the Midway part of the fleet that helped pull the Ambassador out of Nam, and off the Coast of Cuba during the Missile Crisis.


36 posted on 02/24/2014 7:04:27 AM PST by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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To: VerySadAmerican
Your; Of course, that’s probably what they want." is dead on. Destroying our armed forces is exactly what they want!
37 posted on 02/24/2014 7:18:49 AM PST by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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