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First Presbyterian narrowly votes to stay with denomination.
Houston Chronicle ^ | February 23, 2014 | Mike Tolson |

Posted on 02/23/2014 11:28:04 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

A hard-fought effort to move one of Houston's iconic Christian churches from its long-standing denomination to a new, more conservative group narrowly failed Sunday, with the congregation voting heavily in favor of the move but falling short of the supermajority needed for approval.

The leadership of First Presbyterian Church, which was established shortly after Houston's founding, had unanimously endorsed the move from Presbyterian Church USA to the breakaway denomination called ECO, A Covenant Order of Evangelical Presbyterians. The senior pastor, his staff, and the elected leaders from the congregation argued that PCUSA, the nation's largest Presbyterian body, had become too liberal and had drifted from the church's theological foundation. But the final count fell 36 votes short out of 1,681 ballots cast.

"This is the toughest possible outcome in many people's minds,"...............

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1 posted on 02/23/2014 11:28:05 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Ugh, why stay on the dying tree?


2 posted on 02/23/2014 11:31:48 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Why on earth would one stay in a church one fundamentally disagrees with?

Leave!


3 posted on 02/23/2014 11:38:32 PM PST by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It is well known that Gaystapo members will infiltrate these meetings to perpetrate voter fraud to jam up these decisions. And they likely have facilitators within the church’s ranks.


4 posted on 02/23/2014 11:41:51 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Viennacon; DakotaGator

It would seem that people are taking a stand where they can.

They’re tired of the Left taking over everything in order to advance their agenda.


5 posted on 02/23/2014 11:43:44 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Understand and applaud their “taking a stand”. They lost.

Now the best thing they can do is leave en masse. To stay is to support the very thing they abhor. Time to shift to a church which supports their values instead of spitting in their faces.

6 posted on 02/23/2014 11:53:28 PM PST by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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To: Gamecock
No barb intended, but why the ed ECO, A Covenant Order of Evangelical Presbyterians? Aren't there the OCP and PCA?
7 posted on 02/24/2014 12:06:40 AM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The senior pastor, his staff, and the elected leaders from the congregation argued that PCUSA, the nation's largest Presbyterian body, had become too liberal and had drifted from the church's theological foundation. But the final count fell 36 votes short out of 1,681 ballots cast.

And who says that attendance at church/voting never changes anything.

9 posted on 02/24/2014 2:35:35 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The outcome of staying in a liberal church is predictable.


10 posted on 02/24/2014 2:49:19 AM PST by sr4402
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To: Cronos

I think that is a breakaway group that is only slightly more conservative than the PCUSA. They left the PCUSA but don’t want the theological rigor of the PCA, OPC, or even the EPC. I’ll have to do some reasons to confirm that.


11 posted on 02/24/2014 3:13:41 AM PST by Gamecock (Grace is not opposed to human activity. It's opposed to human merit. MSH)
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To: sr4402; All
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12 posted on 02/24/2014 3:14:00 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cronos

They want to continue ordaining women is the big reason.


13 posted on 02/24/2014 4:00:26 AM PST by armydoc
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To: Cronos

perhaps they weren’t invited to OCP or PCA


14 posted on 02/24/2014 4:05:49 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Cronos

After a little more reading it appears that they want to keep the PCUSA, but without the gay issue.

They will continue the other liberal policies, such as women being ordained as ministers.


15 posted on 02/24/2014 5:07:18 AM PST by Gamecock (Grace is not opposed to human activity. It's opposed to human merit. MSH)
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So here is my take.

x number of members have had enough and realize that the PCUSA is apostate. They voted to leave.

y realize that there is a problem but don't feel comfortable with change and thing they can fight off the wolves howling at the door.

z are apostate and are died in the wool PCUSA and are lock step with what this denomination are doing.

Y and Z, whether Y recognizes it or not, have crawled into bed together and as a result that church will continue to spiral out of control.

16 posted on 02/24/2014 5:12:08 AM PST by Gamecock (Grace is not opposed to human activity. It's opposed to human merit. MSH)
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To: Cronos

There are.
Wondering about this too......I’ m PCA and our denomination separated from the USA mainline 30 plus years ago.
Whyever would this pastor remain in an apostate church?


17 posted on 02/24/2014 5:32:53 AM PST by Guenevere
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To: Gamecock

ok, to me (as you would say of course! :) it makes more sense for a united, conservative church


18 posted on 02/24/2014 7:26:46 AM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: armydoc; Gamecock; xzins
amrydoc " they want to continue ordaining women" --> idiots.

They really think that in a few years they won't say "ok, why not homosexuals?"

Darn that slippery slope. This is a lesson for all of us. each little step looks so easy: "why not divorce", "why not legalise hom sexua lity"? and then wa-bang we get to here.

19 posted on 02/24/2014 7:28:29 AM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Gamecock

exactly. Are “Y” so idiotic that they don’t see the path cleared laid out? It’s been repeated so many times by so many denominations. Idiots


20 posted on 02/24/2014 7:29:37 AM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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