Skip to comments.First Presbyterian narrowly votes to stay with denomination.
Posted on 02/23/2014 11:28:04 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
A hard-fought effort to move one of Houston's iconic Christian churches from its long-standing denomination to a new, more conservative group narrowly failed Sunday, with the congregation voting heavily in favor of the move but falling short of the supermajority needed for approval.
The leadership of First Presbyterian Church, which was established shortly after Houston's founding, had unanimously endorsed the move from Presbyterian Church USA to the breakaway denomination called ECO, A Covenant Order of Evangelical Presbyterians. The senior pastor, his staff, and the elected leaders from the congregation argued that PCUSA, the nation's largest Presbyterian body, had become too liberal and had drifted from the church's theological foundation. But the final count fell 36 votes short out of 1,681 ballots cast.
"This is the toughest possible outcome in many people's minds,"...............
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Ugh, why stay on the dying tree?
Why on earth would one stay in a church one fundamentally disagrees with?
It is well known that Gaystapo members will infiltrate these meetings to perpetrate voter fraud to jam up these decisions. And they likely have facilitators within the church’s ranks.
It would seem that people are taking a stand where they can.
They’re tired of the Left taking over everything in order to advance their agenda.
Now the best thing they can do is leave en masse. To stay is to support the very thing they abhor. Time to shift to a church which supports their values instead of spitting in their faces.
And who says that attendance at church/voting never changes anything.
The outcome of staying in a liberal church is predictable.
I think that is a breakaway group that is only slightly more conservative than the PCUSA. They left the PCUSA but don’t want the theological rigor of the PCA, OPC, or even the EPC. I’ll have to do some reasons to confirm that.
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They want to continue ordaining women is the big reason.
perhaps they weren’t invited to OCP or PCA
After a little more reading it appears that they want to keep the PCUSA, but without the gay issue.
They will continue the other liberal policies, such as women being ordained as ministers.
x number of members have had enough and realize that the PCUSA is apostate. They voted to leave.
y realize that there is a problem but don't feel comfortable with change and thing they can fight off the wolves howling at the door.
z are apostate and are died in the wool PCUSA and are lock step with what this denomination are doing.
Y and Z, whether Y recognizes it or not, have crawled into bed together and as a result that church will continue to spiral out of control.
Wondering about this too......I’ m PCA and our denomination separated from the USA mainline 30 plus years ago.
Whyever would this pastor remain in an apostate church?
ok, to me (as you would say of course! :) it makes more sense for a united, conservative church
They really think that in a few years they won't say "ok, why not homosexuals?"
Darn that slippery slope. This is a lesson for all of us. each little step looks so easy: "why not divorce", "why not legalise hom sexua lity"? and then wa-bang we get to here.
exactly. Are “Y” so idiotic that they don’t see the path cleared laid out? It’s been repeated so many times by so many denominations. Idiots
Where does “1st Pres” stand on corporate decisions by PCUSA to stand with Palestinians in calling for divestment from Israel?
I dunno, not a member.
Wasn’t there an scandal about a decade or so ago where a minister there had an adulterous affair? I didn’t hear too much about it but I thought he had to step down in shame.
Having an active homosexual minister would be hypocritical, celebrating the sins of one while denouncing another for being a sinner.
With $100million in holdings, PCUSA didn't want to lose a member church like First Presbyterian.
If it’s that close, a large minority are being forced to “eat it”! Break away, and buy the church back when it goes bankrupt.
Yes, the biblical hermeneutic that gets you to ordaining women is the same one that gets you to condoning homosexuality
PCUSA’s problem wasn’t ordaining women. It was Louisville’s insistence that churches have quotas. Prebyterians have always been independent minded. If a church wanted a gay pastor, they didn’t want anyone telling them they couldn’t have one.
The Lutherans had a pastor who abandoned his wife and children to take up with his gay lover. And they made him a Bishop!!
Everything is liberal in downtown Houston. No surprise
Sad that this was even close
More than half voted for the change, maybe they should look for a new church to join?
The men stay because the wives, with their social network in church, insist that they do. It’s about social networking, not the gospel.
Understand. Sadly, that is why decency loses.