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Posted on 02/24/2014 5:11:07 AM PST by RetiredArmy
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“This 9% budget shortfall is significant.”
Requested. Not required. Do you always give someone everything they request? Didn’t think so.
“Research and Development (R&D) ensures the US possesses a qualitative edge in technology”
Yes, it does, and the budget they are to be given does not preclude R&D. It is still expected.
Our budget will never be cut with liberals always crying out for more: More education dollars, more defense dollars, more everything dollars.
As it relates to the USA being a global bully? I don’t believe we are. Do you?
That would actually be a good idea, which means it will never happen.
Well, it will just be 40 deployments per 4 years...yeesh.
They'll be all tied up .... getting backstrapped by Obama's Man's Country pals.
That's the Mahan Doctrine, formulated by Admiral Alfred Thayer Mahan back in McKinley's and Roosevelt's administrations.
McKinley was the last of a long line of U.S. presidents who'd served in uniform in the Civil War, almost all of whom, McKinley included, had seen the devastation worked on the South by having a major war fought on its territory.
The Mahan Doctrine states simply that the United States will endeavor to fight its wars offshore or overseas, so that no major campaign ever again will be fought on U.S. soil.
The Marine Corps, if need be reinforced by the Army, is the mailed fist that rides the long arm of the Fleet, to make the safety of the People of the United States a law unto our enemies. Got it?
These people make me want to vomit! Notice the obligatory photo op Hagel got with the - of course- female officer? They are destroying us every damned day! Horrifying what is going on. This presidency is just a nightmare. I really despise most Americans today.
Gotta admit that the larger the Army is the more tempting it is to get into protracted occupations. It’s obvious we would have had to occupy Iraq forever. Same goes for Afghanistan.
IMHO you appear short sided in your thinking. Protecting our country is one thing, our interests are another, as are our allies.
One example of protecting interests would be the US Navy which keeps shipping lanes open around the world.
China & Iran are two clear & present dangers. Speaking softly is fine as long as there's a big stick to back it up.
My idea of saving money would entail abolishing the TSA.
You sure quack like a collectivist. Us & we? You also channel Alinsky in you personal attacks on those who disagree with your 'collective' opinion.
PARANOIA is the TSA groping US Citizens. Fascism is the GOV that promotes such groping. Our military is NOT fascist.
Do you think if the Chinese launched an attack they would allow us to build armaments and create weapons factories while at war?
How is cutting back the military stating that we would no longer keep shipping lanes open? Again, Chicken Little’s claiming any cuts to the military would have such effects.
“Our military is NOT fascist. “
No one claimed our military was fascist. Reading comprehension is obviously a weak point with people that claim any cuts to the military means the sky will fall. Go back and read how the word ‘fascist’ was used.
Who said cuts in the military means we can no longer defend against nuclear subs or ICBM? Again, more Chicken Little “The sky is falling!” when it comes to defense cuts.
Liberals don’t want their pet spending cut and neither do you, so how are you two any different when it comes to spending?
“PARANOIA is the TSA groping US Citizens. Fascism is the GOV that promotes such groping. Our military is NOT fascist. “
P.S. Any government willing to create the TSA is willing to use that standing army against you in other ways.
” the United States will endeavor to fight its wars offshore or overseas, so that no major campaign ever again will be fought on U.S. soil.”
You’re the one that doesn’t get it. No base or outpost can survive the onslaught of such forces as we faced with the Soviet Union. None. They were sacrificial. So, your viewpoint on this is moot.
Second, what happens when all your troops are overseas and then slaughtered leaving none at home? Such Mahan Doctrines are great when you wrote such a thing during a time when mass transit using aircraft wasn’t invented yet, not to mention nuclear weapons that can be delivered in mere minutes.
This isn’t 1900 anymore.
I guess this is what Obama was meaning when he told the Russian guy to wait till after the election and he had more flexibility. Yup, flexibility to cut the forced down to nothing to allow us to get over run. He will move to Iran or some muzzie nation because they will take him in.
Toad -— would rather be perceived as paraoid than GROSSLY IGNORANT!
You are gravely short sighted. Go back and read the findings from the 9-11 commission on military readiness. Go read about the fantastic work our military has performed worldwide in humanitarian efforts. But never let your guard down before evil terrorists. Your posts disclose how uninformed you are about what our military has been doing for 60 years in foreign countries. Do you really think they are marching around with their machine guns? Dufus!
Have you ever heard of the National Guard? well, go read up and realize everything you have been blabbing about is meaningless.
Since you brought up 9/11, please tell us anything our military could have done to prevent it? I mean, we had a massive budget at the time, yet it still happened.
Let’s get real here and not be so stupid: 9/11 was perpetrated by people WE LET IN TO THE COUNTRY AND REFUSED TO DEPORT WHEN THEIR VISA EXPIRED. It had NOTHING to do with military budgeting.
“our military has performed worldwide in humanitarian efforts. “
So, you support our military being used as Meals-On-Wheels. Great, another liberal wanting to tax the rest of us to provide representation to everyone else.
NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION, or did that little ditty not make your civics class if you even took it?
P.S. You are no friend of the military since you believe their ROE is about providing humanitarian efforts and not defeating enemies at war. It is why they are getting killed and you support that bullshit.
One of Reagan's big motos was, "Peace through strength."
This would mean that saw him as a Fascist.
Not buying into that crap sandwich here bud.
I heartily agree.
Okay, I’m paranoid and you’re comatose. Agreed.
Are you one of those fiscal conservative moral liberals RE: Libertarians?
Defense is clearly a role of the Federal Government; Leftists pet spending projects are NOT. There is NO compromise nor moral relative equivalency as you allude to.
How much cost, what price is to be placed upon Liberty? I argue that there is no price too high; Many have paid the price with blood.
There is a BIG difference between defense spending and Leftist pet projects. I spent 6 years in the submarine service during the Cold War, 2-1/2 years spent under water and it wasn't for the damn paycheck.
IMHO you seem to be missing something in your perspective.
From what I have seen from this administration; at best, the proposed cuts have EVERYTHING to do with spending regardless the readiness of our military; at worst, the cuts are an intentional attempt to castrate our military. A military with a proud tradition and legacy, a military with experience that is not just created from thin air or found in a textbook on some college campus but rather passed on within the ranks. The ranks that idiots without clue one want to decimate as they promise we can always easily restore by restoring the cash flow to what took blood sweat, tears, lives, & many years to create.
Sure we had skirmishes here and there, but the global wars, the super-costly wars that cost millions of lives didn't happen.
The closest thing to it, was the Iraq/Iran war where I believe each side lost about 500,000.
Why? Because the U. S. made it know, it was going to kick the ass of any rogue state that crossed us.
You probably saw one sage state that we could go back to pre WWII status, and wait until something came along to scale up again.
Any ideas why we had to scale up then? It was because the enemy saw Europe and us weak enough to exploit.
We were damn lucky in that war. It was no walk-over.
CodeToad, whatever doubt there was about you, has now been destroyed thanks to you.
I wasn’t able to come here and discuss this with you yesterday. You evidently decided that made you right.
No, it made you an idiot without an opponent.
Exactly, and when they do, they set global policy.
This isn’t rocket science.
So your idea of a plan, is to let the enemy sink our Pacific fleet again.
Honestly, I don't know where they pick this up.
I think the Libertarian wing today is as lost as the McGovernites of the 70s. They simply don't have enough brain cells to come in out of the pending nuclear winter.
I agree with your post, and it’s only one of probably 20 to 100 other possible good rejections of what is going on.
Thanks. And fat chance of it from Obama’s crew.
So what does out team do? Well some of them actually cheer the man on.
You were the one that said no one was going to attack us. I provided two rather obvious counters to your inane and naive statement.
Get a grip Dude. You support the claim that all our military does is active warfare (hence every post on this thread) and I merely pointed out that our military is used in humanitarian efforts i.e., tsunami, earthquakes, Navy ships as hospitals, etc. You are the only one whose reasoning can’t comprehend that the above does not equate to ‘meals on wheels.’ You must think it fine that we draw down troops levels since we are not in an active war. There will be grave consequences to that and it appears that you aren’t able to make that connection.
“Interesting that we have to debate the merits of a strong military at a site like Free Republic.”
Sadly, FR is rife with crazy isolationist libertarians that don’t see the need for a large standing army. Also, there are extreme tea party (AKA “fiscal conservatives) persons here that don’t want to pay taxes to keep the military strong. They would rather DoD be downsized that to repeal the sequester that is killing national defense.
[You, being a knucklehead] Youre the one that doesnt get it. No base or outpost can survive the onslaught of such forces as we faced with the Soviet Union. None. They were sacrificial. So, your viewpoint on this is moot.
That must be what the NVA thought in 1972, right before we turned their tank columns into putrescent junk and left overturned T-54's lying on top of one another where they fell ..... Yeah, better check with General Giap's colleagues about that one, Sparky.
What twaddle. "Moot"? I'll show you "moot":
Second, what happens when all your troops are overseas and then slaughtered leaving none at home?
When the Armed Forces of the United States get "slaughtered", I assure you there will be no form of life left on the other side more complicated than tree moss.
"Slaughtered" -- what piffle! What, are you just expressing your fondest hope, that you will live to see your splenetic isolationism validated on the bones of American servicemen, so you could put down your bowl of mush long enough to mumble through your drool, "See? See?! Told you so!!"
Because we can’t cut the leeches off welfare.
Why does it look like the 30s all over again?
Hey, anybody here visit Walter Reed lately?
Obama to eliminate all USA A-10 Warthog ground support jets.
The only truly effective USAF jet to support Army ground operations (anti-vehicle/anti-tank/anti-chopper/anti-crew served weapons) and Obama to eliminate them.
Will significantly raise the ground forces injury/death rate...like Obama/Dems in DC could care.
One would think the extreme “Rules of Engagement” the troops are inflicted with, would be enough.
Obama/Dems want to make sure Americans suffer more deaths/injuries.
Obama is the USA as Lenin was to old Russia.
We are totally broke. Cut everything 20% .
“Hagel volunteered to join the United States Army during the Vietnam War, rejecting a draft board recommendation that he go to college instead. He served in the United States Army infantry in Vietnam from 1967 to 1968. Holding the rank of Sergeant (E-5), he served as an infantry squad leader in the 9th Infantry Division. Hagel served in the same infantry squad as his younger brother Tom, and they are believed to be the only American siblings to do so during the Vietnam War. They also ended up saving each other’s lives on separate occasions. While serving during the war, he received the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry, two Purple Hearts, the Army Commendation Medal, and the Combat Infantryman Badge.”
“After Reagan’s inauguration as President, Hagel was named deputy administrator of the Veterans Administration. In 1982, however, he resigned his post over a disagreement with VA Administrator Robert P. Nimmo, who was intent on cutting funding for VA programs. Nimmo had referred to veterans groups as “greedy”, and to Agent Orange as not much worse than a “little teenage acne.”
Was in combat in Vietnam and Cambodia and still has shrapnel in his chest from an exploding mine. Oliver North called Hagel a fake soldier on hannity.
“[You, being a knucklehead] Youre the one that doesnt get it. No base or outpost can survive the onslaught of such forces as we faced with the Soviet Union. None. They were sacrificial. So, your viewpoint on this is moot.”
That must be what the NVA thought in 1972, right before we turned their tank columns into putrescent junk and left overturned T-54’s lying on top of one another where they fell ..... Yeah, better check with General Giap’s colleagues about that one, Sparky.
Oh, good grief. Nobody in their right mind believed the troops we had in Europe at the height of the Cold War had a snowballs chance in hell of stopping a Soviet attack.
You got that right.
I don’t know if it will happen, but I wish this site was purged of those who cheerlead Obama’s destruction of our military. As far as I am concerned, they can all rot in hell and at the very least go corrupt someone else’s site. I hope Jim speaks up on this matter.
This is a terrible, terrible thing.
Exactly. It's a dangerous thing when the citizenry of a country has no comprehension of military strategy or history.
John Kerry and Jimmy Carter were in the military also. Does that mean they are conservatives, fighting for his Republic. No. They both are socialist liberals. So is Hagel. Just because he once fought for the nation does not make his a conservative, war hero. He is an enemy to the republic in my opinion and nothing is going to change that view. He is Obama man to smash the military to the core. Weaken the country. Forcing America to make concessions to Europe, China and Russia. Obama is not here to help this country. He is here to DESTROY it. That is my opinion and sticking to it. End of conversation.