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Defense Sec Proposed Cutting Army
Fox News.com ^ | Feb 24, 2014 | Staff Reports

Posted on 02/24/2014 5:11:07 AM PST by RetiredArmy

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To: Hulka

“This 9% budget shortfall is significant.”

Requested. Not required. Do you always give someone everything they request? Didn’t think so.


101 posted on 02/24/2014 4:03:42 PM PST by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: Hulka

“Research and Development (R&D) ensures the US possesses a qualitative edge in technology”

Yes, it does, and the budget they are to be given does not preclude R&D. It is still expected.

Our budget will never be cut with liberals always crying out for more: More education dollars, more defense dollars, more everything dollars.


102 posted on 02/24/2014 4:05:08 PM PST by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: randomhero97

As it relates to the USA being a global bully? I don’t believe we are. Do you?


103 posted on 02/24/2014 4:06:05 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Hulka

That would actually be a good idea, which means it will never happen.


104 posted on 02/24/2014 4:42:20 PM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: The_Victor

Well, it will just be 40 deployments per 4 years...yeesh.


105 posted on 02/24/2014 5:18:39 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: RetiredArmy
We will soon need the Boy Scouts to defend the nation ....

They'll be all tied up .... getting backstrapped by Obama's Man's Country pals.

106 posted on 02/24/2014 6:13:24 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: CodeToad
Where did you get that from? What is the converse, that we have our military all over the world? That we have global dominance and bully every other nation to allow in our military?

That's the Mahan Doctrine, formulated by Admiral Alfred Thayer Mahan back in McKinley's and Roosevelt's administrations.

McKinley was the last of a long line of U.S. presidents who'd served in uniform in the Civil War, almost all of whom, McKinley included, had seen the devastation worked on the South by having a major war fought on its territory.

The Mahan Doctrine states simply that the United States will endeavor to fight its wars offshore or overseas, so that no major campaign ever again will be fought on U.S. soil.

The Marine Corps, if need be reinforced by the Army, is the mailed fist that rides the long arm of the Fleet, to make the safety of the People of the United States a law unto our enemies. Got it?

107 posted on 02/24/2014 6:19:18 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: RetiredArmy

These people make me want to vomit! Notice the obligatory photo op Hagel got with the - of course- female officer? They are destroying us every damned day! Horrifying what is going on. This presidency is just a nightmare. I really despise most Americans today.


108 posted on 02/24/2014 7:14:36 PM PST by Phillyred
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To: RetiredArmy

Gotta admit that the larger the Army is the more tempting it is to get into protracted occupations. It’s obvious we would have had to occupy Iraq forever. Same goes for Afghanistan.


109 posted on 02/24/2014 11:10:53 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: CodeToad
Your comments about that are a non sequitur. Reducing our military to that needed to protect our country

IMHO you appear short sided in your thinking. Protecting our country is one thing, our interests are another, as are our allies.

One example of protecting interests would be the US Navy which keeps shipping lanes open around the world.

China & Iran are two clear & present dangers. Speaking softly is fine as long as there's a big stick to back it up.

My idea of saving money would entail abolishing the TSA.

110 posted on 02/25/2014 1:03:19 AM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: CodeToad
The rest of us would prefer to have an adequate military for national defense but then get on with our civilian lives of building a nation and not just living to build a military.

You sure quack like a collectivist. Us & we? You also channel Alinsky in you personal attacks on those who disagree with your 'collective' opinion.

PARANOIA is the TSA groping US Citizens. Fascism is the GOV that promotes such groping. Our military is NOT fascist.

111 posted on 02/25/2014 1:08:53 AM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: CodeToad
When we rearmed prior to entering WWII, Great Britain held on for dear life. There is no longer any other Democratic power that could hold out or help out while we decided we needed to arm ourselves after an attack. Also, prior to WWII we didn't have to worry about Japanese Nuclear Subs off the coast or ICBM’s launched from Germany.

Do you think if the Chinese launched an attack they would allow us to build armaments and create weapons factories while at war?

112 posted on 02/25/2014 2:53:06 AM PST by MacMattico
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To: DBeers

How is cutting back the military stating that we would no longer keep shipping lanes open? Again, Chicken Little’s claiming any cuts to the military would have such effects.


113 posted on 02/25/2014 6:50:03 AM PST by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: DBeers

“Our military is NOT fascist. “

No one claimed our military was fascist. Reading comprehension is obviously a weak point with people that claim any cuts to the military means the sky will fall. Go back and read how the word ‘fascist’ was used.


114 posted on 02/25/2014 6:51:07 AM PST by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: MacMattico

Who said cuts in the military means we can no longer defend against nuclear subs or ICBM? Again, more Chicken Little “The sky is falling!” when it comes to defense cuts.

Liberals don’t want their pet spending cut and neither do you, so how are you two any different when it comes to spending?


115 posted on 02/25/2014 6:53:12 AM PST by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: DBeers

“PARANOIA is the TSA groping US Citizens. Fascism is the GOV that promotes such groping. Our military is NOT fascist. “

P.S. Any government willing to create the TSA is willing to use that standing army against you in other ways.


116 posted on 02/25/2014 6:53:53 AM PST by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: lentulusgracchus

” the United States will endeavor to fight its wars offshore or overseas, so that no major campaign ever again will be fought on U.S. soil.”

You’re the one that doesn’t get it. No base or outpost can survive the onslaught of such forces as we faced with the Soviet Union. None. They were sacrificial. So, your viewpoint on this is moot.

Second, what happens when all your troops are overseas and then slaughtered leaving none at home? Such Mahan Doctrines are great when you wrote such a thing during a time when mass transit using aircraft wasn’t invented yet, not to mention nuclear weapons that can be delivered in mere minutes.

This isn’t 1900 anymore.


117 posted on 02/25/2014 6:57:35 AM PST by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: Tennessee Nana
We need land forces? Ain't that what the army is? Ain't that their real job? Boots on the ground, grunts, soldiers? What kind of statement is he making here? Cutting ground forces IS cutting the Army. Supported by armor, air and big guns. If we cut this military back to pre-WWII, China and Russia will throw celebration parades and march right across and attack us. We would have no military options against either and they over power us. The slug in the White House has already cut the nukes.

I guess this is what Obama was meaning when he told the Russian guy to wait till after the election and he had more flexibility. Yup, flexibility to cut the forced down to nothing to allow us to get over run. He will move to Iran or some muzzie nation because they will take him in.

118 posted on 02/25/2014 7:44:13 AM PST by RetiredArmy (God's judgment on America is here for us to see. If America does not wake up, it is going to suffer)
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To: CodeToad
Our second amendment plus the fact that the constitution calls for a Navy says no one is going to attack us.





Yup....ummmmm what world are you living in? This isn't 1939 or 1783 anymore....
119 posted on 02/25/2014 8:52:47 AM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: CodeToad

Toad -— would rather be perceived as paraoid than GROSSLY IGNORANT!

You are gravely short sighted. Go back and read the findings from the 9-11 commission on military readiness. Go read about the fantastic work our military has performed worldwide in humanitarian efforts. But never let your guard down before evil terrorists. Your posts disclose how uninformed you are about what our military has been doing for 60 years in foreign countries. Do you really think they are marching around with their machine guns? Dufus!
Have you ever heard of the National Guard? well, go read up and realize everything you have been blabbing about is meaningless.


120 posted on 02/25/2014 11:02:53 AM PST by patriotsoul
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To: MikefromOhio

Since you brought up 9/11, please tell us anything our military could have done to prevent it? I mean, we had a massive budget at the time, yet it still happened.

Let’s get real here and not be so stupid: 9/11 was perpetrated by people WE LET IN TO THE COUNTRY AND REFUSED TO DEPORT WHEN THEIR VISA EXPIRED. It had NOTHING to do with military budgeting.


121 posted on 02/25/2014 1:01:41 PM PST by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: patriotsoul

“our military has performed worldwide in humanitarian efforts. “

So, you support our military being used as Meals-On-Wheels. Great, another liberal wanting to tax the rest of us to provide representation to everyone else.

NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION, or did that little ditty not make your civics class if you even took it?


122 posted on 02/25/2014 1:03:49 PM PST by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: patriotsoul

P.S. You are no friend of the military since you believe their ROE is about providing humanitarian efforts and not defeating enemies at war. It is why they are getting killed and you support that bullshit.


123 posted on 02/25/2014 1:05:55 PM PST by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: CodeToad
I would direct you to this post of yours. LINK

One of Reagan's big motos was, "Peace through strength."

This would mean that saw him as a Fascist.

Not buying into that crap sandwich here bud.

124 posted on 02/25/2014 2:15:35 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: Progov

I heartily agree.


125 posted on 02/25/2014 2:16:07 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: CodeToad

Okay, I’m paranoid and you’re comatose. Agreed.


126 posted on 02/25/2014 2:16:44 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: CodeToad
Liberals don’t want their pet spending cut and neither do you, so how are you two any different when it comes to spending?

Are you one of those fiscal conservative moral liberals RE: Libertarians?

Defense is clearly a role of the Federal Government; Leftists pet spending projects are NOT. There is NO compromise nor moral relative equivalency as you allude to.

How much cost, what price is to be placed upon Liberty? I argue that there is no price too high; Many have paid the price with blood.

There is a BIG difference between defense spending and Leftist pet projects. I spent 6 years in the submarine service during the Cold War, 2-1/2 years spent under water and it wasn't for the damn paycheck.

IMHO you seem to be missing something in your perspective.

From what I have seen from this administration; at best, the proposed cuts have EVERYTHING to do with spending regardless the readiness of our military; at worst, the cuts are an intentional attempt to castrate our military. A military with a proud tradition and legacy, a military with experience that is not just created from thin air or found in a textbook on some college campus but rather passed on within the ranks. The ranks that idiots without clue one want to decimate as they promise we can always easily restore by restoring the cash flow to what took blood sweat, tears, lives, & many years to create.

127 posted on 02/25/2014 2:20:51 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: plain talk
It's is simply amazing that some of these folks haven't a single clue why there was essentially global peace for the last 60 years.

Sure we had skirmishes here and there, but the global wars, the super-costly wars that cost millions of lives didn't happen.

The closest thing to it, was the Iraq/Iran war where I believe each side lost about 500,000.

Why? Because the U. S. made it know, it was going to kick the ass of any rogue state that crossed us.

You probably saw one sage state that we could go back to pre WWII status, and wait until something came along to scale up again.

Any ideas why we had to scale up then? It was because the enemy saw Europe and us weak enough to exploit.

We were damn lucky in that war. It was no walk-over.

128 posted on 02/25/2014 2:21:21 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Me too!


129 posted on 02/25/2014 2:22:08 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: CodeToad

CodeToad, whatever doubt there was about you, has now been destroyed thanks to you.

I wasn’t able to come here and discuss this with you yesterday. You evidently decided that made you right.

No, it made you an idiot without an opponent.


130 posted on 02/25/2014 2:22:41 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: cincinnati65

Exactly, and when they do, they set global policy.

This isn’t rocket science.


131 posted on 02/25/2014 2:23:38 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: arderkrag

LMAO...

So your idea of a plan, is to let the enemy sink our Pacific fleet again.

Okay then...


132 posted on 02/25/2014 2:27:03 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: ohioman
I swear some people in this country are too stupid to live.

Honestly, I don't know where they pick this up.

I think the Libertarian wing today is as lost as the McGovernites of the 70s. They simply don't have enough brain cells to come in out of the pending nuclear winter.

133 posted on 02/25/2014 2:29:22 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: Hulka

I agree with your post, and it’s only one of probably 20 to 100 other possible good rejections of what is going on.


134 posted on 02/25/2014 2:30:57 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: DBeers

Thanks. And fat chance of it from Obama’s crew.

So what does out team do? Well some of them actually cheer the man on.


135 posted on 02/25/2014 2:36:51 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: CodeToad

You were the one that said no one was going to attack us. I provided two rather obvious counters to your inane and naive statement.


136 posted on 02/25/2014 4:00:29 PM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: CodeToad

Get a grip Dude. You support the claim that all our military does is active warfare (hence every post on this thread) and I merely pointed out that our military is used in humanitarian efforts i.e., tsunami, earthquakes, Navy ships as hospitals, etc. You are the only one whose reasoning can’t comprehend that the above does not equate to ‘meals on wheels.’ You must think it fine that we draw down troops levels since we are not in an active war. There will be grave consequences to that and it appears that you aren’t able to make that connection.


137 posted on 02/25/2014 4:08:59 PM PST by patriotsoul
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To: plain talk

“Interesting that we have to debate the merits of a strong military at a site like Free Republic.”

Sadly, FR is rife with crazy isolationist libertarians that don’t see the need for a large standing army. Also, there are extreme tea party (AKA “fiscal conservatives) persons here that don’t want to pay taxes to keep the military strong. They would rather DoD be downsized that to repeal the sequester that is killing national defense.


138 posted on 02/25/2014 4:09:37 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: CodeToad
[Me, laying it out] ” the United States will endeavor to fight its wars offshore or overseas, so that no major campaign ever again will be fought on U.S. soil.”

[You, being a knucklehead] You’re the one that doesn’t get it. No base or outpost can survive the onslaught of such forces as we faced with the Soviet Union. None. They were sacrificial. So, your viewpoint on this is moot.

That must be what the NVA thought in 1972, right before we turned their tank columns into putrescent junk and left overturned T-54's lying on top of one another where they fell ..... Yeah, better check with General Giap's colleagues about that one, Sparky.

What twaddle. "Moot"? I'll show you "moot":

Second, what happens when all your troops are overseas and then slaughtered leaving none at home?

When the Armed Forces of the United States get "slaughtered", I assure you there will be no form of life left on the other side more complicated than tree moss.

"Slaughtered" -- what piffle! What, are you just expressing your fondest hope, that you will live to see your splenetic isolationism validated on the bones of American servicemen, so you could put down your bowl of mush long enough to mumble through your drool, "See? See?! Told you so!!"

139 posted on 02/25/2014 4:34:13 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: RetiredArmy

Because we can’t cut the leeches off welfare.

Why does it look like the 30s all over again?


140 posted on 02/25/2014 4:55:27 PM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: SisterK

Hey, anybody here visit Walter Reed lately?


141 posted on 02/25/2014 5:01:51 PM PST by SisterK (behold a pale horse)
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To: DBeers

Excellent comments...


142 posted on 02/25/2014 5:58:01 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: RetiredArmy

Obama to eliminate all USA A-10 Warthog ground support jets.
Wonderful.
The only truly effective USAF jet to support Army ground operations (anti-vehicle/anti-tank/anti-chopper/anti-crew served weapons) and Obama to eliminate them.

Will significantly raise the ground forces injury/death rate...like Obama/Dems in DC could care.

One would think the extreme “Rules of Engagement” the troops are inflicted with, would be enough.

Guess not.

Obama/Dems want to make sure Americans suffer more deaths/injuries.

Obama is the USA as Lenin was to old Russia.


143 posted on 02/25/2014 5:59:26 PM PST by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: Bryanw92

We are totally broke. Cut everything 20% .


144 posted on 02/25/2014 8:27:00 PM PST by SADMILLIE
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To: RetiredArmy

“Hagel volunteered to join the United States Army during the Vietnam War, rejecting a draft board recommendation that he go to college instead.[17] He served in the United States Army infantry in Vietnam from 1967 to 1968. Holding the rank of Sergeant (E-5), he served as an infantry squad leader in the 9th Infantry Division.[18] Hagel served in the same infantry squad as his younger brother Tom, and they are believed to be the only American siblings to do so during the Vietnam War.[19] They also ended up saving each other’s lives on separate occasions.[19] While serving during the war, he received the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry, two Purple Hearts, the Army Commendation Medal, and the Combat Infantryman Badge.”

“After Reagan’s inauguration as President, Hagel was named deputy administrator of the Veterans Administration. In 1982, however, he resigned his post over a disagreement with VA Administrator Robert P. Nimmo, who was intent on cutting funding for VA programs. Nimmo had referred to veterans groups as “greedy”, and to Agent Orange as not much worse than a “little teenage acne.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Hagel

Was in combat in Vietnam and Cambodia and still has shrapnel in his chest from an exploding mine. Oliver North called Hagel a fake soldier on hannity.


145 posted on 02/25/2014 9:12:05 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: lentulusgracchus

“[You, being a knucklehead] You’re the one that doesn’t get it. No base or outpost can survive the onslaught of such forces as we faced with the Soviet Union. None. They were sacrificial. So, your viewpoint on this is moot.”

That must be what the NVA thought in 1972, right before we turned their tank columns into putrescent junk and left overturned T-54’s lying on top of one another where they fell ..... Yeah, better check with General Giap’s colleagues about that one, Sparky.


Oh, good grief. Nobody in their right mind believed the troops we had in Europe at the height of the Cold War had a snowballs chance in hell of stopping a Soviet attack.


146 posted on 02/25/2014 9:34:49 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: DoughtyOne

You got that right.

I don’t know if it will happen, but I wish this site was purged of those who cheerlead Obama’s destruction of our military. As far as I am concerned, they can all rot in hell and at the very least go corrupt someone else’s site. I hope Jim speaks up on this matter.


147 posted on 02/26/2014 9:03:49 AM PST by ohioman
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To: RetiredArmy

This is a terrible, terrible thing.


148 posted on 02/26/2014 9:05:25 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Great, then all future wars will be fought on U. S. soil. Wow, why didn’t I think of that?

****************************

Exactly. It's a dangerous thing when the citizenry of a country has no comprehension of military strategy or history.

149 posted on 02/26/2014 9:08:34 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: chessplayer

John Kerry and Jimmy Carter were in the military also. Does that mean they are conservatives, fighting for his Republic. No. They both are socialist liberals. So is Hagel. Just because he once fought for the nation does not make his a conservative, war hero. He is an enemy to the republic in my opinion and nothing is going to change that view. He is Obama man to smash the military to the core. Weaken the country. Forcing America to make concessions to Europe, China and Russia. Obama is not here to help this country. He is here to DESTROY it. That is my opinion and sticking to it. End of conversation.


150 posted on 02/26/2014 9:59:50 AM PST by RetiredArmy (MARANATHA, MARANATHA, Come quickly LORD Jesus!!! Father send thy Son!! Its Time!)
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