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G.O.P. Congressman in South Carolina Takes a Risk With a Foray Into Immigration
NYT ^ | Feb 21, 2014 | Julia Preston

Posted on 02/24/2014 5:44:18 AM PST by upchuck

GAFFNEY, S.C. — After the sterling conservative voting record he has established during three years in Washington, Representative Mick Mulvaney, a Republican, can take a few political risks in his South Carolina district, one of the most conservative in this reliably Republican state. This week he did just that.

Mr. Mulvaney convened a town-hall meeting in this country town on the troublesome issue of immigration, with an audience of Latinos. He held forth for an hour, parsing policy and answering questions about the prospects for immigration legislation in the House — entirely in Spanish.

Even more surprising to the spellbound crowd at the First Baptist Church, Mr. Mulvaney said he and other conservative House Republicans were open to some kind of legal status, although not a path to citizenship, for many immigrants living in the country illegally.

But he also said it would not happen this year: Republicans just do not trust President Obama to carry out any law they might enact.

“We are afraid that if we reach an agreement,” the congressman said, making the most of the Spanish skills he acquired years ago in college, “he will take the parts he likes and he won’t take the parts that he doesn’t like.”

The politics of immigration are gradually shifting in South Carolina and some other Southern states, where not long ago most conservatives passionately rejected legalization as amnesty that rewarded lawbreakers. Like Mr. Mulvaney, a number of Republicans are moving toward the view that the immigration system needs fixing, and that 11.7 million illegal immigrants will not be deported and need a path to legal status.

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Disappointing Mick. All you need to do is enforce the existing immigration laws.
1 posted on 02/24/2014 5:44:18 AM PST by upchuck
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To: 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; A Strict Constructionist; ...
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2 posted on 02/24/2014 5:45:05 AM PST by upchuck (South Carolina Representative Trey Gowdy for Speaker of the House!!!)
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To: upchuck

Wrong, congressman.


3 posted on 02/24/2014 5:47:38 AM PST by skeeter
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To: upchuck

The immigration system does not need “fixing”. It already has laws that could be followed.


4 posted on 02/24/2014 5:50:54 AM PST by PistolPaknMama
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To: upchuck

But all these politiians desperately need these 11 million votes from the illegal immigrants despite the at least 150 million that don’t want what they will do to further eat away at our entitlement programs, overload our hospitals and schools and overpopulate the land. The other 150M that want them are probably comprised of a pretty large percentage of Hispanics and Democrat voters that just want to increase their base.

But they want the taxpayers that are comprised of the 150M that want their borders secure to pay for it all.


5 posted on 02/24/2014 5:54:19 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: PistolPaknMama

“Like Mr. Mulvaney, a number of Republicans are moving toward the view that the immigration system needs fixing, and that 11.7 million illegal immigrants will not be deported and need a path to legal status.”

I expect nothing other from the NYT when throwing gasoline bombs into GOP election issues. Wake me when they begin reporting on the dems running away from O care.


6 posted on 02/24/2014 5:54:55 AM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: upchuck
Disappointing!?

This NYT story is what folks in the trade call a "puff piece." And the reporter and this South Carolina Representative sounds very much like he's been replaced with a robot or the Chamber of Crony Communists found his price, or both.

And no, it's not because he addressed the crowd in Spanish. That's actually not very surprising.

The whole scenario sound like it was written by some Soros-funded publicity agent.

7 posted on 02/24/2014 5:57:02 AM PST by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: upchuck

“... some kind of legal status for immigrants living in the country illegally ...”
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Why?
How about...
...some kind of legal status for bank robbers entering banks illegally...?
...some kind of legal status for mafia hit men killing folks illegally...?
...some kind of legal status for drug pushers selling heroin illegally...?
...some kind of legal status for moonshiners making whiskey illegally...?


8 posted on 02/24/2014 6:02:45 AM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: sickoflibs; GOPJ; no-to-illegals; AuntB; Tennessee Nana; TADSLOS
Gilt-edged conservative Cong Mick Mulvaney (R-SC), speaking in Spanish, told a spellbound latino townhall audience that "reform" would not happen this year: "Republicans just do not trust President Obama to carry out any law we might enact. We are afraid that if we reach an agreement, Obama will take the parts he likes and he won’t take the parts that he doesn’t like.”

Mulvaney is mining a mother lode of American distrust Obama himself generated......by his Godzillian Obama/Care blunder.

Trusting Americans are not used to being lied to by their president. Now they are disillusioned b/c Obama promised over and over that they could keep their plans.

Americans are learning that, far from being a national asset, Obama/Care is political flim-flam, a shady ruse being used to forward Obama's self-serving goals: (1) throwing Americans off affordable health plans, (2) burdening Americans w/ ruinous deductibles, (3) nationalizing 1/16 of the US economy, (4) abandoning the elderly and the chronically ill, (5) empowering IPAB's (Death Panels),(6) decimating intergenerational transfers of wealth, and, (7) drug rationing for seniors....and so on.

The intricacies of "immigration reform" hand Obama another opportunity to dupe the electorate for his own self-serving purposes.

9 posted on 02/24/2014 6:14:32 AM PST by Liz
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To: upchuck

Probably following “advice” from The Huckster.


10 posted on 02/24/2014 6:20:57 AM PST by Zathras
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To: upchuck

Prison for document fraud and tax evasion is a “legal status”.

Deported is a “legal status”.


11 posted on 02/24/2014 6:22:54 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: upchuck; Liz; AuntB; La Lydia; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker

the immigration system needs fixing,
_________________________________

why whats wrong with it whats broken ???

It wasn’t immigration that caused 30 MILLION illegal aliens to enter our country illegally..

it was lawlessness and a lack of respect for America and Americans..

changing our immigration laws wont get rid of the illegal aliens..

only enforcing the deportation parts of the existing laws will...

the immigration laws don’t have to be tweaked ...

they just have to be enforced...


12 posted on 02/24/2014 6:23:31 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: upchuck

An open letter to Representative Mick Mulvaney and all the GOP Members of the House

As a Representative in Congress, you took this Oath:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God."


"Support and defend the Constitution" it says. Did you see that? That document requires, per Art.4, S.4, that

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence."


An invasion is what we are suffering. That invasion has accelerated with each "comprehensive immigration reform" previously enacted. Instead of another disastrous reform that yet again increases the incentives for millions more to try their luck crossing the southern border, a Representative who took his Oath and the Constitution seriously would be pressing for what the American people have repeatedly said they want - not what Senators Schumer and McCain, Mark Zuckerberg, Mexico, some border state farmers and homebuilders or the Chamber of Commerce rent-seekers want. That is:
  1. secure the border in a transparently verifiable way;
  2. end the anchor-baby interpretation of the 14th Amendment;
  3. enforce eVerify without exception and with severe penalties;
  4. no government benefits beyond critical emergency care (and that ought to be billed back to the home government); and
  5. NO "Path to Citizenship" - ever - for anyone who has entered the US illegally.
Any bill that does not accomplish these five things is unacceptable. It is de facto amnesty. And it will inevitably encourage millions more illegal entries.

If the GOP is complicit in this amnesty fiasco, either by taking up the Senate bill or through some piecemeal slight of hand with a series of House bills such as we hear are being cooked up of late, the GOP will cease to exist. It will not survive through the 2016 elections. The people will shun the over-tanned, glad-handing, backslapping quislings and look elsewhere for leaders who actually have the spine for the fight. Make no mistake - to me and to many, many others, amnesty is the GOP's Rubicon. Cross it at your electoral peril.

13 posted on 02/24/2014 6:28:23 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: Tennessee Nana
DESERVES A REPEAT: Whats wrong with our immigration system? What's broken?? It wasn’t immigration that caused 30 MILLION to enter our country illegally; it was lawlessness and a lack of respect for America and Americans.....changing our immigration laws won't get rid of the illegal aliens.. only enforcing the deportation parts of the existing laws will.. immigration laws don’t have to be tweaked ...they just have to be enforced...
14 posted on 02/24/2014 6:28:44 AM PST by Liz
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To: upchuck
entirely in Spanish.

Really? Balkinazation...

15 posted on 02/24/2014 6:30:37 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: upchuck

We badly need to examine his donors. He’s a damned lawyer, after all. When I saw this headline, I expected Trey Gowdy. They sure don’t wait long to sell us out, do they?


16 posted on 02/24/2014 6:33:59 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: kalee

Placemarker


17 posted on 02/24/2014 6:37:05 AM PST by kalee
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To: upchuck
Why is this so hard for the republicans to figure out....record unemployment among minorities which leads to record welfare rolls. Solution.....deport the Mexicans and force the minorities to get off their asses and get a job. Tell the law breaking employers that the honey moon is over and to get busy finding and training American workers. As for the lame ass excuse about Americans unwillingness to do these jobs it's simple you turn down a job you are not eligible for any future assistance until you accept what is offered!!
18 posted on 02/24/2014 6:42:59 AM PST by ontap
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To: upchuck

Regrettably, Congress has no Constitutional authority to enforce any law. Enforcement is solely the responsibility of the Executive Branch.

Elections have consequences. 2012 has the potential for maximum consequences. Too bad 4 million conservatives sat out 2012! We could have been done with nobama! At his worst Mitt would have been a million times better than who we have.


19 posted on 02/24/2014 6:47:13 AM PST by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: Liz
Gilt-edged conservative Cong Mick Mulvaney (R-SC), speaking in Spanish, told a spellbound latino townhall audience that "reform" would not happen this year: "Republicans just do not trust President Obama to carry out any law we might enact. We are afraid that if we reach an agreement, Obama will take the parts he likes and he won’t take the parts that he doesn’t like.”

************************************************************************* Mulvaney is mining a mother lode of American distrust Obama himself generated......by his Godzillian Obama/Care blunder.

Sums it up Liz... great catch.

20 posted on 02/24/2014 6:57:28 AM PST by GOPJ ("Great powers are driven by a mixture of confidence and insecurity.")
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To: GOPJ; Liz
Mulvaney is mining a mother lode of American distrust Obama himself generated......by his Godzillian Obama/Care blunder

It's no blunder.

21 posted on 02/24/2014 7:14:48 AM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: upchuck

Anything to keep from enforcing existing law. Just make another law.


22 posted on 02/24/2014 7:18:01 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: upchuck

I had high hopes for Mulvaney and, in many cases, he hasn’t disappointed.

However, since amnesty is a nation destroyer it’s not just another issue that can be avoided.

Mulvaney appears to be ready to join Trey Gowdy in going over to the Dark Side on amnesty.

Is there something about being in the Beltway that makes you not give a damn about the American worker and flooding the country with immigrants when so many Americans are jobless?


23 posted on 02/24/2014 7:22:33 AM PST by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: SharpRightTurn
"Mulvaney appears to be ready to join Trey Gowdy in going over to the Dark Side on amnesty."

Pretty much. Chamber of Commerce and Ag interests have great influence in the Upstate of SC. Mulvaney and Gowdy are not immune to political/campaign finance pressure. Another thing to consider is that SC is slowly going the way of Virginia, a Red State turning purple. SC's GOP House delegation undoubtedly sees this and perhaps are hedging their electoral bets for the future.

24 posted on 02/24/2014 8:57:50 AM PST by buckalfa (Tilting at Windmills)
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To: TADSLOS; GOPJ
Hate-America Obama certainly envisioned Obama/Care (and amnesty) as a vote-getter---to fulfill his dream of a permanent Democratic majority.

AS FREEPER GOPJ INSIGHTFULLY POSTED: "Obamacare was designed to benefit Democrats" (and hand-picked Democrat voting blocs---blocs that fulfill Obama's plans for a permanent Democratic majority):

<><> Blacks, browns, minorities, the melanin-underclass, benefit because of low, or no, income,

<><> Gays benefit for preexisting conditions, like HIV, and other STD's.

<><>State-dependent women benefit - Dems work hard to undermine marriage, to make them state-dependent, to make them qualify.

<><> Union lefties were given exemptions.

Last but not least....

"Liberal Elites" get the best doctors - their offices cleared of us middle-class riff-raff. The new Elites won't have to wait to see a doctor as Republican riff-raff are sent to the slaughterhouse.

SUMMING UP: Liberal elites got the gold. Republicans, conservatives, patriots, tea partiers, job-holders, the middle class, small business owners, etc....we got the shaft.

You say you don't vote Democrat? You get to pay for everything.

========================================

Today, all except those Tea Party types, swallowed hook, line and sinker Obama's repeated promises that Americans could:

(1) keep their existing health plans,
(2) keep their own doctors that they like,
(3) keep their 25-year-olds on the family health plan,
(4) never be denied coverage for a pre-existing condition,
(5) sign up instantly on his "tech-savvy" government Web site,
(6) buy insurance only after becoming seriously ill,
(7) save $2,500 per family in annual premiums in the bargain,
(8) all without any new taxes.

Five years in the making and O's issued some 35 changes, to date---as the Godzillian O/Care monster rampages through America's well-oiled healthcare system.

25 posted on 02/24/2014 11:59:36 AM PST by Liz
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To: Liz

This and amnesty will be the catalysts for CWII. Both of these leftist programs are specifically designed to destroy the middle class, establish complete government control and incompatible with a constitutional republic. These conflicting ideologies are on a collision course. It’s just a matter of time and a trigger.


26 posted on 02/24/2014 12:07:15 PM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: upchuck

The Lindsey Graham primary challengers should commit to going after Gowdy and Mulvaney for the ones who finish outside the top 2.


27 posted on 02/24/2014 4:05:09 PM PST by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: buckalfa

I think there is a lot of stuck on stupid Republicans like Rand Paul. Id be happy to get rid of Schock, Kinzinger, Ellmers, Mulvaney and Gowdy for 2 years and replace them with a conservative. The GOP will still have 230 House members with a few gains elsewhere.

There are already enough Americans, illegals and foreign workers for most farms.

Mulvaney denies on facebook:
“Pretty cool… aside from the fact I have no idea where Drudge got the idea the meeting was about amnesty. The word amnesty isn’t mentioned in the article, wasn’t offered as an idea at the meeting, and in fact is not what I support. “

http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2013/06/17/2170721/marchant-latinos-immigration/

The proposed immigration overhaul “is very unpopular in my district,” said Marchant, who represents suburbs west of Dallas. “The Republican primary voters, they’re being pretty vocal with me on this subject.” Besides, he said, “if you give the legal right to vote to 10 Hispanics in my district, seven to eight of them are going to vote Democrat.”

http://www.examiner.com/article/troubling-comments-from-texas-lawmakers-suggest-legislating-racsim-not-far-flung

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/21/blake-farenthold-immigration-midterms_n_4817679.html

Even Blake Farenthold has pulled back on his hispandering.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/21/blake-farenthold-immigration-midterms_n_4817679.html

“But that population isn’t as influential as it once was. According to U.S. Census figures, the 2012 remapping of Texas increased the voting-age population for whites in the district by more than 100,000 voters, while reducing the number of Hispanics who could vote there by about that same number. Recent figures show the district currently has 243,991 white voters compared to 233,071 Hispanic voters.”


28 posted on 02/24/2014 4:13:12 PM PST by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: Repeal The 17th
...some kind of legal status for bank robbers entering banks illegally...?
...some kind of legal status for mafia hit men killing folks illegally...?
...some kind of legal status for drug pushers selling heroin illegally...?
...some kind of legal status for moonshiners making whiskey illegally...?

How about the children of these criminals who also break our laws? The children are innocent. Why are we punishing these children by incarcerating their parents?

29 posted on 02/24/2014 7:15:33 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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