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Pentagon Plans to Shrink Army to Pre-World War II Level
NYT ^ | 23 Feb 2014 | THOM SHANKER and HELENE COOPER

Posted on 02/24/2014 6:52:15 AM PST by shove_it

WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel plans to shrink the United States Army to its smallest force since before the World War II buildup and eliminate an entire class of Air Force attack jets in a new spending proposal that officials describe as the first Pentagon budget to aggressively push the military off the war footing adopted after the terror attacks of 2001.

The proposal, described by several Pentagon officials on the condition of anonymity in advance of its release on Monday, takes into account the fiscal reality of government austerity and the political reality of a president who pledged to end two costly and exhausting land wars. A result, the officials argue, will be a military capable of defeating any adversary, but too small for protracted foreign occupations...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: army; cuts; pentagon; preww2; shrink

1 posted on 02/24/2014 6:52:15 AM PST by shove_it
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To: shove_it

cutting the military because the Taliban is not our enemy and the world is a safer place with a Small US Military.
Obama Civilian military needs the stuff anyways.


2 posted on 02/24/2014 6:55:07 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: shove_it

Here they go again. Same mistakes repeated by the same people for the same reasons.


3 posted on 02/24/2014 6:55:52 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: shove_it
But Obama's civilian army is on the march.


4 posted on 02/24/2014 6:56:54 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: shove_it

Here’s the real joke, the article begins with a statement that this is because of “government fiscal austerity”.

Seen any of that lately?


5 posted on 02/24/2014 7:08:39 AM PST by Williams (No Obama)
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To: shove_it

We must force our government to live within its means and that will require painful cuts and setting of priorities. The painful truth is that we have a military that is far bigger than we can afford. The implications of this will be a shift in world power dynamics when we reduce forces and other nation like China step in to fill the vacuum we leave.


6 posted on 02/24/2014 7:08:50 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: shove_it
Russia will expand its airbase in Kyrgyzstan at the end of the year ahead of the shutdown of a US base in the country, a senior commander said Saturday.

The number of planes at Russia's Kant airbase in the country "will at least double by this December," Viktor Sevastyanov, a senior Russian air force commander, said at a ceremony marking the base's 10-year anniversary.

“We witnessed the massive amphibious and cross military region enterprise — Mission Action 2013,” USNI News quoted Capt. Fanell as saying. “[We] concluded that the PLA has been given the new task to be able to conduct a short sharp war to destroy Japanese forces in the East China Sea following with what can only be expected a seizure of the Senkakus or even a southern Ryukyu [islands] — as some of their academics say.”

So Russia and China ramp up.....we wind down. This is treasonous.

7 posted on 02/24/2014 7:09:41 AM PST by cincinnati65
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To: shove_it

A Third world country, with a Third world population with Third world jobs can’t afford a First world military.


8 posted on 02/24/2014 7:15:55 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: shove_it

How about shrinking the whole govt to pre WWII levels...?


9 posted on 02/24/2014 7:17:39 AM PST by virgil
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To: shove_it

weakening our defense invites trouble

the greatest peacemaker in the world is the American soldier, sailor and marine.


10 posted on 02/24/2014 7:18:11 AM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: cincinnati65
So Russia and China ramp up.....we wind down. This is treasonous.

Ditto that. National defense is JOB1 for the federal government. All the social engineering crap needs to be cut first and/or eliminated along with all its bureaucracy trappings.

11 posted on 02/24/2014 7:22:29 AM PST by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us of Obama’s America)
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To: shove_it

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

The converse is also true.


12 posted on 02/24/2014 7:23:47 AM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: shove_it

They ultimately want to get rid of the volunteer army, which they know is full of mostly conservatives, and turn it into the largest government social program, and bring back the draft.


13 posted on 02/24/2014 7:25:11 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: theBuckwheat

“We must force our government to live within its means and that will require painful cuts and setting of priorities. The painful truth is that we have a military that is far bigger than we can afford.”

More to the point and more correct:

We must force our government to live within its means and that will require painful cuts and setting of priorities. The painful truth is that we have a WELFARE SYSTEM that is far bigger than we can afford.

Military spending is a pi$$hole in the sand compared to the true cost of welfare.


14 posted on 02/24/2014 7:30:06 AM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: theBuckwheat

I always thought the purpose of Gubmint is to protect its citizens. By pissing away billions/trillions on bloated social programs ripe with corruption our gubmint can no longer do its original task. So cut the military in a most volatile world while “alpha” agencies are expanding and buying billions of war bullets (prohibited in war). Somethings are totally horse shit as the military is the only thing we should be able to “afford”... Rant off


15 posted on 02/24/2014 7:34:07 AM PST by mcshot (Their fraud is deep and unending...)
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To: shove_it

“when we lost the next war, and an American boy, lying in the mud with a [Chinese] bayonet through his belly and a [Muslim] foot on his dying throat, spat out his last curse, I wanted the name not to be MacArthur, but Baraq Hussein.”


16 posted on 02/24/2014 7:36:11 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: null and void

Or capitulation...


17 posted on 02/24/2014 7:39:39 AM PST by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: shove_it

I continue to believe that Obama’s professed love of the military is a lie and he and his radicals would do anything to destroy it. The same people who rampaged in Chicago in 1968, who hated the military starting with Vietnam are now running the show. They will not miss a chance to leave their mark.


18 posted on 02/24/2014 7:41:56 AM PST by armydawg505
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To: shove_it
well, since we have the obozo to lower the oceans and sooth world tensions.......................
19 posted on 02/24/2014 7:42:53 AM PST by drypowder
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To: shove_it

The Democrats need the money to buy votes. The sheep are getting more expensive. But on the bright side, from their [Democrats] point of view, this, and at the most two, election cycles, they can begin slaughtering the sheep, and begin recouping their money.


20 posted on 02/24/2014 7:45:33 AM PST by sport
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To: elpadre

Some reason you left out airmen?


21 posted on 02/24/2014 7:48:07 AM PST by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: armydawg505

Absolutely correct, Armydawg. They hated us then and now, in their bitter old age, they find themselves able to act out that hatred.

TC


22 posted on 02/24/2014 7:52:13 AM PST by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: shove_it

True and at one time it was. That was before diversity, affirmative action, “equal opportunity”, and social justice. That was then, this is now. The traitors were given the keys to the gates by We, the people and We, the people are too wrapped up in our creature comforts to do what is necessary to take the keys back.


23 posted on 02/24/2014 8:00:58 AM PST by sport
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To: theBuckwheat; I cannot think of a name

We need to get control of our entitlements and cut welfare programs if we are going to survive.

I am a veteran and I know the defense budget can be cut in some places without crippling the military, but I don’t want us to repeat the errors of 1940. We paid in blood for being so ill-prepared for the start of WWII.

With transportation capability today it is likely any major conflict will be over quickly. In other words, you will fight with what you have on hand and if you don’t have it you lose.


24 posted on 02/24/2014 8:05:47 AM PST by volunbeer
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To: shove_it

The DemoCRAPS do this every time and we always end up in another War feet our Butts slammed until we can get our military rebuilt.


25 posted on 02/24/2014 8:25:10 AM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: volunbeer

Just noting:

US Federal spending FY 2011:

Medicare and Medicaid: $851b
Social Security: $808b
Defense: $625b
Non-Defense Discretionary: $576b
Other Mandatory: $373b
Interest on Debt: $221b

Total: $3,454b

Federal Revenue FY 2011: $2,300b


26 posted on 02/24/2014 8:30:44 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: shove_it

One of the things Chavez did was to create several parallel forces which answered to him.

He of course elevated people loyal to him into command of the army and retired older officers who were not reliable.

He established a large “army reserve” that wore the same uniforms and carried the same weapons, that answered to his brother as I recall.

Then he established his “bolivarians” who were an army of street thugs provided with military weapons who could be called on to do what soldiers and cops might refuse to do.

He established a guerrilla force in the border lands who started taking over towns in the area from their elected mayors. They could be bused into the capital when needed for whatever.

He had Cuban advisors and observers in every military post to have a parallel source of information. He also had Cubans in Venezuelan uniforms to do, again, what other soldiers might not be willing to do. He had Colombian FARC serving in various capacities.

The whole result of this was to make himself coup-proof, and to have various sources of information, and various tools at his command. It would be difficult to impossible for a rival to get control of all of these. He could do things with deniability; if a rival is beaten or killed by a street gang, who’s to say its not random crime?

My point is that some of this, in a hyper-legal way, is what I see the obamists doing. Various alphabet agencies buying up bullets by the millions, establishing SWAT units for unknown reasons, increasing their control domestically while reducing the size and power of the legitimate armed forces. Agencies doing political attacks, outside agencies doing legal attacks through the courts which are intended to bankrupt their enemies. Its different but smacks of the same thing, having various arms giving you deniability and many tools in the toolkit for going after your enemies.


27 posted on 02/24/2014 8:35:02 AM PST by marron
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To: shove_it

Does the shrink also include Obama’s storm trooper regiments in DHS, TSA, DEA, etc.?


28 posted on 02/24/2014 8:38:41 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Freedom isn't free; nor is it easy. END ALL TOTALITARIAN ACTIVITY NOW.)
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To: BuffaloJack

No they are getting all the surplus mil hardware.
MRAP trucks, etc.


29 posted on 02/24/2014 8:40:49 AM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: theBuckwheat

And we DONT HAVE THE WILL TO WIN. Every one of our wars since WW2 have ended without a real Victory.


30 posted on 02/24/2014 9:03:03 AM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms in Dixie!)
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To: volunbeer

What is sad is that this website (which I love) has been infiltrated by so many who agree with what our communist president is doing to the military. I smell the stench of gutless liberaltarians.


31 posted on 02/24/2014 9:29:30 AM PST by ohioman
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To: jagusafr

just a senior moment - may family has produced many military pilots


32 posted on 02/24/2014 9:43:05 AM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: elpadre

Just had to get my paranoia assuaged. Now I can finish the day! Thanks.


33 posted on 02/24/2014 10:22:03 AM PST by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: All

SecDef Hagel just opened his remarks with thanks to an underling named Hale for creating this budget and wishing him a happy and well deserved retirement which hale is beginning forthwith.

Translation: the buck stops with a Pentagon retiree.

John Bolton and Ollie North are slamming this budget on Fox right now.


34 posted on 02/24/2014 10:31:44 AM PST by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us of Obama’s America)
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To: shove_it

Here’s why its being cut. No mystery!

June 6, 2013, the 69th anniversary of “D-Day”, the largest invasion ever
attempted, where 200,000 Americans stormed the beaches at Normandy to begin
the final push to defeat Nazi Germany in WWII. D-Day marked the turning
point in WWII in Europe, where the Nazis were engaged in mass murder of Jews
and minorities by the thousands.

Today, European heads of state make it a point to recall and honor the
sacrifices of those who landed in Normandy, as do our Presidents....
well, most of them....

In the 69 years since D-Day, there are four occasions when the President of
the United States chose not to visit the D-Day Monument that honors the
soldiers killed during the Invasion.

The occasions were:

1. Barack Obama, 2010
2. Barack Obama, 2011
3. Barack Obama, 2012
4. Barack Obama, 2013

For the past 69 years, every American President except Obama have taken the
time to honor the memory and sacrifices of the 6,000 American soldiers
killed on D-Day. ....Except Obama!

June 6 2010, Obama had no events scheduled.

June 6, 2011, Obama met with the National Security team and was interviewed
by WEWS Cleveland and WDIV in Detroit about the auto industry - FAR too busy
to visit the D-Day memorial.

June 6, 2012, instead of honoring our fallen soldiers, Obama made a campaign
trip to California on Air Force 1 (at our expense) to raise funds for (his)
upcoming election.

June 6, 2013, Obama was doing ANOTHER fund raiser with the multimillionaires
in the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee in Palo Alto CA, once again
at our expense.

Aren’t you proud?


35 posted on 02/24/2014 1:21:51 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Don Corleone

I was in Arlington for the annual reunion of The Old Guard Association last October, right when the government shutdown began. We saw on TV that a group of WWII Vets were at their Memorial but it was shut down just like everything else in the DC area. At first we said we ought to go over there and give those guys some help but they didn’t need any. We were cheering as those old troopers just charged right on through the barriers and police tape. They handled the situation without any help from us or anybody else, just like they did at the Normandy beaches many moons ago.

HOOAHH!!!

Those guys probably don’t mind 0bama not showing up for their D-Day Ceremonies. They’re likely glad he didn’t ruin it for them.


36 posted on 02/24/2014 5:53:55 PM PST by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us of Obama’s America)
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