Skip to comments.Ukraine Crisis: Russia Brands New Leaders "Mutineers" (We All Knew This Was Coming Alert)
Posted on 02/24/2014 8:12:05 AM PST by goldstategop
Mr Medvedev, quoted by Russian news agencies, suggested that Western countries that accepted Ukraine's new authorities were mistaken.
"Strictly speaking, there is no-one for us to communicate with there today," he said.
"The legitimacy of a whole number of organs of power that function there raises great doubts.
"Some of our foreign, Western partners think otherwise. This is some kind of aberration of perception when people call legitimate what is essentially the result of an armed mutiny."
He added: "We do not understand what is going on there. There is a real threat to our interests and to the lives of our citizens."
However, Russia's foreign ministry also issued a strongly worded statement saying a "forced change of power" was taking place in Ukraine and that interim authorities were using "terrorist methods" to pressure dissenters in regions including Crimea and eastern Ukraine.
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Eff Russia— if she tries directly intervening, the bear will be biting off a lot more than it can chew.
Russia probably won’t intervene directly, but she will probably stoke unrest in Crimea and the South East to achieve an effective partition of Ukraine.
Basis my very limited understand of the factions involved in the Ukraine, it seems Putin has lost out, big-time, on his attempts to control Ukraine.
Russia can impose sanctions - closing the border, granting refuge to people from Crimea and the eastern Ukraine, raise the price of gas supplied to Ukraine and withdrawing the recent economic assistance package.
Russia’s leverage can bring the new regime in Kiev to its knees. The country is but a short step away from insolvency. Its new authorities have to work with Russia. Otherwise the consequences could be very unpleasant.
Given the continuing deterioration of the situation, its no one’s guess how things will turn out.
Maybe the new government in Kiev wants to drive the east and south of the country into Moscow’s embrace. That would suit it just fine.
Negotiating ploy.....They want Ukraine to cede the Crimea and the Donetsk region back to Russia in exchange for recognition.
Agreed. The Eurasian Union won’t work without Ukraine. I can imagine a partitioned Ukraine in which the eastern half would be free to join the Customs Union Of Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan. I see this as the most probable outcome to the current crisis.
Uh huh. And since western Ukrainians want their own country, I would think they don’t want to give Russia ANY pretext to intervene.
Be fair, the only reason Ukraine has the Crimea is Khrushchev gave it as a “gift” to win over the Ukrainians that he ruled over, when he was Stalin’s lackey there. Of course back in the Soviet Union, it really didn’t matter whether it belonged to the Russian SFSR or the Ukrainian SSR, Moscow still called the shots, regardless.
So, I gather you like the Eurocrats in Brussels with their politically correct agenda of unfettered immigration from Muslim lands, multiculturalism, denigration of Europe’s Christian heritage and Christian morals, pushing of the normalization of homosexuality, censorship of errant opinion by self-censorship in the newsroom and vilification, and continuation of the “social democrat” welfare state, better than Putin’s government with its 13% flat tax, support for Christian heritage and morals, and more overt censorship of opposing opinion.
I can see why folks in the Ukraine might not want to be under Russian control or too much Russian influence (well, leaving aide the Russians who live there because Lenin, Stalin and Khrushchev moved the border between the old Imperial provinces to put lots of Russians inside the Ukrainan Soviet Socialist Republic), but why they want to be associated with the EU is a mystery to me.
I have a thin on the meaning of the Ukraining unrest other than it seems the protesters want to be further removed from the Russian orbit.
I think you will see swift and firm action from Putnin almost the minute the Olympics end.
I agree Western Ukraians have the right to determine their own affairs and to run the country. That is a basic human right of a free people.
What they do NOT have the right to do is force their Russian-speaking compatriots to forfeit their historic ties to Russia.
If the family cannot agree on where to drive the car, a civilized divorce would be the best solution for all concerned.
Well they can move back to Ukraine proper and give Western Ukraine back to Poland. Lwów Jest Polski!
Who's going to stop Russia if they do roll in?
0bama? the EU? Ukrainian armed forces?
Where’s Marshall Pilsudski when we need him?
It was an armed rebellion. The EU signed on to a deal which has now been breached in the space of 48 hours.
Maybe they should consult with the Czechs and Slovaks.
I suppose someone could drag Jozef Pilsudski's corpse out of the mausoleum. He'd put up a better fight than 0bama.
What deal did the EU "sign on to" that was breached within 48 hours? You are getting things backwards/sideways.
Please -- that kind of talk is not helping.
Ukraine can shut the gas pipelines transiting the country, and remove the Russians from Sevastopol in return.
You mean like the North forced the South?
The Ukrainian fleet is harbored right next to the Russian fleet at Sevastopol-- all it would take would be a couple of Ukrainian cruisers firing point blank to cause massive damage.
Russia could undoubtedly 'win' in the end, but the cost would be massive, and would also probably involve loss of access to Western markets and cash.
The bigger danger to Ukraine are 'separatists' funded by Moscow and aided under the table with weapons or Russian special forces.
Won't happen. The eastern part of Ukraine is where the oil fields are. What does Ukraine really have? Oil, plus the pipeline access from Russia to the Black Sea.
I remember when Hitler had that same problem in the Sudaten land in 1939. -Tom
a great deal of the nation’s wealth resides in non-pro-Europe eastern Ukraine...For a country like Ukraine, the appeal of federalism, which divides authority between the central government and its constituent regions, is undeniable...According to Ukraine’s government statistics service, manufacturing contributes at least three times more than agriculture to the country’s gross domestic product. Thus, eastern regions generally have higher per capita GDP rates...Seven of Ukraine’s 10 largest private companies by revenue are either headquartered or maintain the majority of their operations in eastern Ukraine...
The country’s most important businessmen are embedded in the east, where their businesses make disproportionately high contributions to the Ukrainian economy and national budget. Westerners staunchly oppose federalism because they believe it would threaten their economic and security interests. Others believe it could dissolve Ukraine as a country, leaving the west weak and defenseless against the Russia-backed east. Whether or not these concerns are misplaced, federalism would in fact benefit eastern regions disproportionately by giving them more control over state revenue, aggravating the socioeconomic tensions between the regions.
See my post #28. Apparently the eastern half is the half that has more business and contributes more to the economy. The EU wants the entire Ukraine so that they can redistribute that wealth.
How do you figure that?
A country with 40 million population, most of them hostile. Millions AKAs and RPGs. And a grudge. That would not be an easy occupation.
Any direct Russian invasion would be an enormous mess: and if it failed, or the Russian army revolted in the face of the atrocities it was being asked to commit, what would happen to Putin?
Russia Brands New Leaders “Mutineers”
AND this makes Russian leaders WHAT?... Stalinitas?...
You know Stalin......... that literally murdered most of the people in Ukraine..
Some no doubt actually REMEMBER THAT..
There is a real threat to our interests and to the lives of our citizens.”
Interesting use of the posessive, I thought they were
Ukranian citizens. Kinda gives the game away.
Russia wants a federal solution - or barring that, its fully prepared to aid and fund separatist forces - and can put in troops to protect the local population.
Kiev doesn’t have much choice and the country is teetering on the edge of a breakup.
They may be ethnic Ukrainians but they’re attached to the Russian and culture.
The main problem the new regime has is rolled back language and cultural rights for Russophones and in issuing an arrest warrant for Yanukovych - its signalling not reconciliation but revenge.
It looks like political retribution against the east for backing him and against Russia which backed his regime. This will not end well.
And Putin is not the kind of guy to swallow humiliation. He plays political chess better than any one else. This is by means over.
Ukraine ground forces consist of 57,000 personnel, not all combat. They have 2 armor brigades which use the Ukrainian upgraded T-64 (686 total tanks) as their main battle tank. Most of the rest of their equipment is leftover from the Soviet era. No matter how well trained and dedicated their troops are, it's going to be a short battle.
If Russian forces are attacked piecemeal, it's a long slog.
Plus I think you rate the Russian operational efficiency too highly: apart from a few spec ops units and some air force units, I doubt many Russian troops get much training at all.
Russia wants another colony.
He can’t afford to get nothing out of it. I think Ukraine ceding the Crimea back to Russia is fair...considering the dubious reason it even became part of Ukraine in the first place.
Russia lost Crimea when they lost thair whole country to ravaging raping Bolshevik hordes (whom Putin still admires and considers the Founding Fathers of Russia.)
Their Parliament did this by the book, sure they were under a lot of pressure from the people... then again isn’t that a good thing?
>>>Maybe they should consult with the Czechs and Slovaks.<<<
It won’t happen. Every major population center in Western Ukraine is practically insolvent, with the exception of Lviv, which is barely solvent. It is a norm for a Western city to leech Kiev for as much as 5 times the sum it actually made in taxes, just to maintain infrastructure.
Remember, today Ukraine doing about half as good as Mexico economically. If they are going to lose the Southeast it will turn them into Somalia. It is certainly not a plan for the West as far as they love free money.
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Stop whining, your guy lost, get over it
Russian-speaking people of Ukraine like in Kyiv who kicked Putins's stooge out?
The faster that Russians deal with reality, the less it's going to hurt later - nobody wants you or your Putin. Less Zhirinovskiy, more news was from Ukrainian new sites