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Sun shines on New York solar energy boom [math illiterates think 1.6 MW is a lot]
yahoo.com/AFP ^ | February 23, 2014 | Brigitte Dusseau

Posted on 02/24/2014 7:53:12 PM PST by grundle

New York (AFP) - On a rooftop in the Bronx far from the skyscrapers of Manhattan, 4,760 panels soak up the winter rays. Welcome to the solar power boom in New York state.

Robert Kline, director of commercial sales for the Ross Solar Group that installed the panels, is delighted.

"It is the largest (solar) installation in the history of New York City," he tells AFP.

The 1.6-megawatt installation on the Jetro Cash and Carry has been proudly singled out by New York governor Andrew Cuomo as a prime example of a drive to haul the state into a new dawn.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


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If they build another 999 of these sized solar projects, they could then shut down one coal plant, but only during the daytime, and even then, only when there are no clouds. They'd still need a backup power source for when the sun isn't available, and that backup would almost certainly be some type of fossil fuel.
1 posted on 02/24/2014 7:53:12 PM PST by grundle
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To: grundle

One point six megawatts? That’s it?


2 posted on 02/24/2014 7:58:38 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: grundle

The lefties posing as greenies are not concerned with facts. All they care about is government control


3 posted on 02/24/2014 7:58:46 PM PST by Nifster
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To: grundle

Those panels are not even directed toward the sun.


4 posted on 02/24/2014 7:59:25 PM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: grundle
Long on hype, and embarrassingly short on useful facts.
How much did the installation cost total?
Including taxpayer subsidies, grants and interest costs.

How much power is actually delivered?
Not just the nominal "capacity. Actual delivered power?
What are the maintenance costs to the users?
Does the rates paid for the power reflect actual cost of generation and delivery?

So many claims, so much BS.
And so little facts.

5 posted on 02/24/2014 8:03:07 PM PST by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: Army Air Corps
One point six megawatts? That’s it?

That's the "rating" on the specs label.
Totally meaningless.
What's has actually been delivered during the day, average?
What has actually been delivered on an average night?

6 posted on 02/24/2014 8:06:10 PM PST by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: grundle

Consolidate Edison - Con Ed - serves NYC and area. Over 20,000,000 megawatt hours are delivered to residential and commercial customers. http://www.coned.com/documents/facts-2012.pdf

1.6 / 20,000,000 = 0.000008%

This is a drop in the ocean.


7 posted on 02/24/2014 8:07:00 PM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: publius911

I figured as much. That 1.6Mw is the max rated output, so the average is likely lower than that.


8 posted on 02/24/2014 8:08:46 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

Not even useful for a flux capacitor.


9 posted on 02/24/2014 8:09:20 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

You won’t even make it back to last Thursday on that amount of power. ;-)


10 posted on 02/24/2014 8:12:45 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: grundle

I’ll use about 720K to get my maters up and running. course that is over a 60 day period.


11 posted on 02/24/2014 8:13:58 PM PST by kvanbrunt2
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To: grundle
Sheesh, if one is going to try Solar they should try in the interior southwest, not NYC.

Retards.

12 posted on 02/24/2014 8:29:06 PM PST by Mariner
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To: grundle

I worked at a *real* power plant ages ago as a coop student, GA Power’s Plant Bowen.

1.6 MW was probably about the size of the on site auxiliary combustion turbines for start up power in case a massive outage knocked everything off line. If other words, 1.6 MW is enough power to start a real powerplant.


13 posted on 02/24/2014 8:34:25 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: grundle

Gonna drive the state to her twilight then night, not dawn.


14 posted on 02/24/2014 8:37:31 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Army Air Corps

I think this means our capacity for time travel peaked in 1985. All downhill from there. Not even a hoverboard.


15 posted on 02/24/2014 8:38:43 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Army Air Corps

That’s nameplate. In NY the capacity factor has to be awfully low.


16 posted on 02/24/2014 8:42:32 PM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: grundle

But it said “mega”.

That is a lot? Right?


17 posted on 02/24/2014 8:44:12 PM PST by logitech (It is time.)
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To: grundle

of course they will be covered with snow for months as well.


18 posted on 02/24/2014 8:44:16 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Ray76

Thanks for those numbers!


19 posted on 02/24/2014 8:44:42 PM PST by grundle
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To: FreedomPoster

Great story!


20 posted on 02/24/2014 8:45:31 PM PST by grundle
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To: Army Air Corps

How much time is lost due to rain, clouds, snow, nights and of course winter sun when it is low on the horizon?

Who get to wipe the dust off and how many feet of snow per year will need to be cleaned off?

10-15% productivity????


21 posted on 02/24/2014 8:54:02 PM PST by biff (WAS)
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To: FreedomPoster

I just love the way you put that in perspective.


22 posted on 02/24/2014 8:56:47 PM PST by gfbtbb (Ladies and Gentlemen, we are on our own.)
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23 posted on 02/24/2014 8:58:25 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: biff

NYC gets about 4kwh/m2/day for a tilt=latitude photovoltaic collector. These collectors are flat. NYC is about 41N.

http://www.nrel.gov/gis/images/map_pv_national_lo-res.jpg


24 posted on 02/24/2014 9:05:32 PM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: grundle

photo of installation

http://tdworld.com/renewables/con-edison-customer-installs-nycs-largest-solar-array

write up by equipment supplier (photo not NY, but SF)

http://newsroom.sunpower.com/2013-12-09-Ross-Solar-Group-Completes-New-York-Citys-Largest-Rooftop-Solar-Power-System


25 posted on 02/24/2014 9:34:24 PM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: grundle
took forever to find it

The $50 million construction project was facilitated by up to $21 million in tax incentives approved by the New York City IDA. The tax incentives helped create and retain nearly 200 jobs which might otherwise have been relocated to a lower cost location in New Jersey.

Jetro Cash & Carry will "save" about $200,000 a year in electric costs.....what a great flippin deal. Break-even takes place after the world ends.
26 posted on 02/24/2014 9:55:04 PM PST by stylin19a (Obama ----> Fredo smart)
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To: grundle

Here in south Texas, where the sun actually shines a bit, a typical “sustainable” solar house might have about 36 kilowatts of solar panels. The NY panels bragged about in this article would thus be the same as about 44 houses. These “sustainable” houses, though, are anything BUT sustainable. They use the grid as a large storage battery, selling the power to the grid (at subsidized rates) the few times they supply more than they use, and buying from the grid the rest of the time. The “rest of the time” happens to be “most of the time”. All of the rest of the time, it’s that dirty coal and oil that keep the lights on.


27 posted on 02/25/2014 6:21:59 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: Ray76

Exactly, our windmills here in Texas(the last I heard) have about 5% productivity.


28 posted on 02/25/2014 8:40:30 AM PST by biff (WAS)
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To: Ray76

Thanks for the links in post 25.


29 posted on 02/25/2014 8:57:56 PM PST by grundle
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