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Traffic cameras could generate $18 mil for Lubbock County(Texas)
KCBD News Channel 11 ^ | 24 February 2014 | Sarah-Blake Morgan

Posted on 02/24/2014 8:20:35 PM PST by Army Air Corps

LUBBOCK, TX (KCBD) -

Traffic cameras have watched Lubbock streets before, but within six months, they were gone.

That was five years ago, but the option may be back on the table. This time, it could be speeding cameras throughout Lubbock County.

Recently, Lubbock County was approached by American Traffic Solutions about installing speeding cameras in the county's school zones. That's the same company that put up Lubbock's controversial red light cameras in 2008.

But before the option is even considered, Precinct One commissioner Bill McCay tells us they're weighing every option.

"If there's something broken that needs to be fixed, then great, if its something that's not broken, then why try to fix it," McCay said.

McCay believes the first step is meeting with each district to decide if this is needed.

"We need to know and understand what each particular school district situation is," McCay said.

According to American Traffic Solutions, these cameras would come at no cost to the county. It could actually mean nearly $18 million in revenue for Lubbock County after they split ticket revenue with the company 50/50.

"It's too early to tell. I don't know. It's not about revenue, it's about public safety," Precinct Two commissioner Mark Heinrich said.

While Heinrich says it's supposed to be about safety, his opponent in the Republican Primary has questions.

"What are the motives are behind this? Whether it's really about safety, or if it's about profit for this company," John David Bruegel said.

But for now, McCay says any decision is a long way off.

"It may be great, but we're a long ways from that," McCay said.


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1 posted on 02/24/2014 8:20:35 PM PST by Army Air Corps
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To: Army Air Corps
According to American Traffic Solutions, these cameras would come at no cost to the county. It could actually mean nearly $18 million in revenue for Lubbock County after they split ticket revenue with the company 50/50.

Marked for appropriate emphasis...Follow the money!!

2 posted on 02/24/2014 8:26:43 PM PST by Brandonmark (OWCM is The new American Minority! 11.06.12 - Day of Infamy!)
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To: Army Air Corps

The motive is $$$ not safety!


3 posted on 02/24/2014 8:27:02 PM PST by plainshame
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To: Army Air Corps

$100 per traffic light. $100,000 per drone.


4 posted on 02/24/2014 8:28:25 PM PST by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: Army Air Corps

$36 million/year in revenue left on the table in Lubbock County? Sounds like the ciizens have way too much extra money laying around.


5 posted on 02/24/2014 8:29:11 PM PST by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: plainshame

Any place that puts these up becomes a money grubbing hell hole. The writer of this apparently loves traffic taxes and shakedowns.

I just moved from a camera happy liberal city to a town where they coordinate the traffic lights and don’t have cameras.


6 posted on 02/24/2014 8:29:54 PM PST by Luke21
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To: Army Air Corps

My bet is that “what’s broken” is Lubbock County’s budget, and these bastards are not man (or woman as the case may be) enough to tell the people that they’ve pi$$ed away all the tax money and now need a “new source of revenue.” I guess Texas isn’t really as “different” as Texans would like the rest of us to believe. I mean they DO have Wendy Davis running for Governor.


7 posted on 02/24/2014 8:30:18 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Brandonmark

Lubbock went through this crap with Red Light Cameras a few years ago and citizen outrage resulted in the damned things being removed. Now, the city is toying with this crap. As with the Red Light Cameras, I smell a kickback in a city official’s pocket.


8 posted on 02/24/2014 8:30:41 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

OK, before the whine-a-thon begins over this download the free Waze app on your phone and it will warn you of all upcoming traffic cams as well as police traps and traffic jams.

We have had traffic fine cameras (red light and speed) here all over this area for many years and they never got me.
And I am no Sunday School driver,


9 posted on 02/24/2014 8:31:49 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor ')
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To: vette6387

She is running, but her support is about 35%.


10 posted on 02/24/2014 8:32:19 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: vette6387

Our City Councils like to spend money on stuff like a soccer field that is rarely used for playing soccer. Oh, we just HAD to have it...for the children!


11 posted on 02/24/2014 8:34:08 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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The Enforcement Class loves this type of revenue.


12 posted on 02/24/2014 8:34:45 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: sickoflibs

I would much rather the City or County not spend any money on this crap.


13 posted on 02/24/2014 8:36:17 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: vette6387
I mean they DO have Wendy Davis running for Governor.

And you have Jerry Brown as your governor. Not as a trailing badly in the polls candidate.

Yep, there's a difference. We don't suck as bad as you guys do.

How about laying off the Texas bashing, and I'll ease up on pointing out how California is a liberal hell-hole?

/johnny

14 posted on 02/24/2014 8:37:51 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Army Air Corps

A friend of mine got a ticket in the mail from Chicago from a red light camera. That was last year. He hasn’t been there in 15 years. They got the wrong car and he had to prove his innocence. He was pissed off and fought it. He won through the mail, but it was wrong to begin with.


15 posted on 02/24/2014 8:39:03 PM PST by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: sickoflibs

They get the wrong car sometimes.


16 posted on 02/24/2014 8:40:03 PM PST by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: Army Air Corps

They are turning traffic fines into taxes.

Fines are supposed to be a means of deterring and punishing traffic offenses in the interests of public safety. They are not supposed to be taxes, and public officials are certainly not supposed to use tax money to maximize this revenue stream.

This is misprision in office. Indict them, try them, jail them.


17 posted on 02/24/2014 8:41:07 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: plainshame

> The motive is $$$ not safety!

Definitely. I participated in a study several years ago and came to that conclusion with another group after looking at a significant number of safety problems caused by them, the revenue they were generating, the politics of how they came to be installed at the various locations-nd the lobbyist groups relationships with the red light camera systems. It has not one iota to do with safety and everything to do with money. The donations being paid to the politicians by the administrator / manufacturers was very significant and we observed a direct correlation between the city council members who proposed and promoted the installation and usage of the cameras to the donations they received. Pure politics. Many of them also use left wing style media relations companies that they pay to hype any accidents involving children that their technology “could have saved” as well as other tactics like distorting auto accident figures or any number of methods such as TV ads to garner public sympathy.
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18 posted on 02/24/2014 8:49:13 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Army Air Corps

> Lubbock went through this crap with Red Light Cameras a few years ago and citizen outrage resulted in the damned things being removed. Now, the city is toying with this crap. As with the Red Light Cameras, I smell a kickback in a city official’s pocket.

You better believe it will be a kickback and a donation on top of that. If the city has a lot of excess revenue laying around it sounds like someone in the city government is already laying plans on rediverting some of that back into their pockets by investing the money into the speeding cameras so they can get a “consulting fee” kickback plus find a way to redivert some of the speeding camera’s revenue into their own pockets.


19 posted on 02/24/2014 8:54:26 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001

ATS, the company peddling these speed cameras, also peddled the red light cameras a few years back. The citizens learned of some peculiar dealings between the city’s honcho for the traffic office and ATS.


20 posted on 02/24/2014 9:06:21 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: plainshame

Law enforcement officers have become “Revenue Generation Personnel”


21 posted on 02/24/2014 9:09:17 PM PST by GraceG
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To: jsanders2001
The same company, ATS, even tried to block a vote on red light cameras.
22 posted on 02/24/2014 9:10:26 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: vette6387
My bet is that “what’s broken” is Lubbock County’s budget, and these bastards are not man (or woman as the case may be) enough to tell the people that they’ve pi$$ed away all the tax money and now need a “new source of revenue.” I guess Texas isn’t really as “different” as Texans would like the rest of us to believe.

Texas is the Republican Party of the States — living off of a reputation that, even if once deserved, is certainly not deserved now because the reality is pretty much antithetical to the reputation.

23 posted on 02/24/2014 9:16:13 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: LUV W

Ping.


24 posted on 02/24/2014 9:19:51 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: OneWingedShark

I bet that if you dig into this, ATS is offering someone a little cash under the table. That is what they did to get red light cameras in the city of Lubbock. Citizens were upset before the facts came to the surface and became enraged as they learned more about the cameras and successfully lobbied to have them removed. ATS is out pimping their cameras again. Who is being bought this time around?


25 posted on 02/24/2014 9:24:47 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Army Air Corps
Who is being bought this time around?

An excellent question.

26 posted on 02/24/2014 9:40:54 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Army Air Corps

Using our own money to further “tax” us. Your government tax $$$’s at work:

http://www.wtsp.com/investigators/article/352647/34/Red-light-camera-company-spending-big-on-politics


27 posted on 02/24/2014 9:41:07 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001

Craziness


28 posted on 02/24/2014 9:42:24 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: jsanders2001; OneWingedShark

That, once again, prompts me to ask, “Who is being bought?”


29 posted on 02/24/2014 9:46:55 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“How about laying off the Texas bashing, and I’ll ease up on pointing out how California is a liberal hell-hole?”

I wasn’t bashing anyone, but here on FR Texans seem to be of the mindset that all’s well in Texas, when it isn’t. Sure, we’re farther down the socialist road here in CA than you folks are, but come on, Texas has manifold problems and yet most Texan posters want to leave us all with the impression that everything is just hunky dory there. From looking at your Congressional map, it’s just like ours. There is a slowly progressing line of neo-Marxist Mexican legislators moving northward from the Rio Grande. Here we hope that the Angles Crest keeps them from migrating northward here. In truth, there is a lot of California that’s as conservative as any place in Texas. Our big cities, like yours, are the seats of Liberal corruption. Actually, years ago, I almost ended up in Graham, but at the time it was a bridge too far for this California native.


30 posted on 02/24/2014 10:18:37 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Army Air Corps

Let’s do some basis math. You know like what they teach in sixth grade.

Here we go. There are $36,000,000 in traffic fines in one year. If the fine for a ticket is $400, how many tickets are issued in a year?
That’s right little Johnny. 90,000 tickets.

Class here is you bonus question. There are 180 days in a school year. How tickets are issued each day during the school year?
Right again Johnny, 500.

Well kids we have done the math and it does add up.


31 posted on 02/24/2014 10:24:35 PM PST by Kozy (Calling Al Gore)
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To: Army Air Corps

Let’s do some basis math. You know like what they teach in sixth grade.

Here we go. There are $36,000,000 in traffic fines in one year. If the fine for a ticket is $400, how many tickets are issued in a year?
That’s right little Johnny. 90,000 tickets.

Class here is you bonus question. There are 180 days in a school year. How tickets are issued each day during the school year?
Right again Johnny, 500.

Well kids we have done the math and it does not add up.


32 posted on 02/24/2014 10:25:34 PM PST by Kozy (Calling Al Gore)
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To: Army Air Corps

They pay anyone who has influence in approving a budget to contract with them by donating to their campaign funds. Often its select city council members or even governors in the case of Arnold Schwarznegger who received a $200,000 political donation from one of the major red light camera companies some time back. I have notes in my files about it and a whole lot of other politicians that were found to be on the take at the time. They use bothe their PACs and employees to make the donations so they can give more without it being detected.


33 posted on 02/24/2014 11:00:56 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Brandonmark
Marked for appropriate emphasis...Follow the money!!

When they say it isn't about the money, you can believe it is ONLY about the money.

34 posted on 02/25/2014 1:04:01 AM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Mark17

Redfix, ATFs competitor was convicted in Illinois for a $2M bribe. The difference is it got caught.


35 posted on 02/25/2014 4:20:12 AM PST by rstrahan
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To: sickoflibs

“””We have had traffic fine cameras (red light and speed) here all over this area for many years and they never got me.
And I am no Sunday School driver,”””””

They never send the ticket to “you”, the offender. They send the ticket to the owner of the vehicle. It is all about revenue and has nothing to do with law enforcement,


36 posted on 02/25/2014 4:27:16 AM PST by shelterguy
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To: shelterguy
RE :’They never send the ticket to “you”, the offender. They send the ticket to the owner of the vehicle. It is all about revenue and has nothing to do with law enforcement,”

and I am amazed at how many suckers here get caught by those over and over here in Maryland. They are so obvious and easy to avoid but some fools here keep doing it.

They remind me of those who buy lottery tickets and play slots here, just hand their $$$ over,

37 posted on 02/25/2014 4:37:18 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor ')
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To: Darren McCarty

The thing to watch out for is if they shorten the times of the yellow lights to make more $$$ in red light cams.

They tried that here in Montgomery County.

But if they do its easily challenged.


38 posted on 02/25/2014 4:51:33 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor ')
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To: Army Air Corps; shelterguy; Darren McCarty
RE :”I would much rather the City or County not spend any money on this crap.”

Funny you should say that because others on this thread are saying its a scheme to make $$$, not spend it.

I am amazed here how the Maryland patrol cars are so sneaky, designed stealthy(jet black and small with flat lights) ,and many use unmarked cars to trap drivers, yet not a peep over that by my fellow drivers.

But easy to avoid traffic fine cams make $$$ off a few suckers (who are obviously not paying attention) and some of these people here go nuts over it, one arrested for slinging marbles at a speed cam van.

Sometimes I dont understand people.

39 posted on 02/25/2014 4:53:03 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor ')
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To: Army Air Corps; Arrowhead1952; NYTexan; mylife; Eaker; TheMom; laurenmarlowe; El Gato; RebelTex; ...

Texas outrage-at-the-spying ping!


40 posted on 02/25/2014 4:58:02 AM PST by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos! Thank you David, Michael, Chris Txradioguy, JJ, CMS, & ALL Vets, too!)
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To: Army Air Corps
This year, Brick Twp, NJ became the first NJ town to shut down the red light program. Some of this is due to the link below, but the mayor was made to realize this was much more about revenue, and very little due to safety.

Fired red-light camera executive: Company bribed officials in 13 states, including NJ

41 posted on 02/25/2014 4:59:54 AM PST by Focault's Pendulum (I live in NJ....' Nuff said!)
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To: Army Air Corps

I didn’t think Texas allowed municipal speed cameras (red light cameras are fairly common in this part of the state).


42 posted on 02/25/2014 5:06:45 AM PST by PAR35
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To: LUV W
It's not about revenue, it's about public safety,

Sure....

43 posted on 02/25/2014 5:08:49 AM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law and does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I’ll take Texas over 10 Kalifornias.


44 posted on 02/25/2014 5:46:41 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: sickoflibs

“””I am amazed here how the Maryland patrol cars are so sneaky, designed stealthy(jet black and small with flat lights) ,and many use unmarked cars to trap drivers, yet not a peep over that by my fellow drivers.””””

That’s because those cars, driven by REAL COPS, actually give a ticket to the DRIVER of the vehicle. The cameras send a ticket to the OWNER of the vehicle. I don’t have any vehicles that are licensed in my name. Does that mean I can break the law without any consequences?


45 posted on 02/25/2014 5:52:58 AM PST by shelterguy
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To: LUV W

Austin was looking into installing some a few years ago. To the best of my knowledge, it never happened. There are a few red light cameras at high risk intersections.


46 posted on 02/25/2014 5:59:41 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: shelterguy
RE :”That’s because those cars, driven by REAL COPS, actually give a ticket to the DRIVER of the vehicle. The cameras send a ticket to the OWNER of the vehicle. I don’t have any vehicles that are licensed in my name. Does that mean I can break the law without any consequences?’

Those cams just send fines no points. So its a crime as much as not buying Obama-care is a crime.

If the owner starts getting fines then maybe he/she had bad judgment associating with you, in that case, and needs to take action.

47 posted on 02/25/2014 6:13:35 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor ')
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To: shelterguy
RE :’I don’t have any vehicles that are licensed in my name. Does that mean I can break the law without any consequences?”

who gets the fines when you illegally park?

Does that mean you can illegally park with no consequences?

Does that mean you can kill someone with no consequences?

Does that mean you rhetorical question makes no sense?

48 posted on 02/25/2014 6:16:51 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor ')
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To: sickoflibs

So the owner of the vehicle becomes responsible for the actions of a vehicle. Is that it? Defacto cop?

Cameras are for revenue collection only. They have nothing to do with safety.


49 posted on 02/25/2014 6:36:32 AM PST by shelterguy
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To: shelterguy
RE :’So the owner of the vehicle becomes responsible for the actions of a vehicle. Is that it? Defacto cop?”

Now?

Who gets the fine when you illegally park your friends and relatives cars? Is that new?

50 posted on 02/25/2014 7:03:00 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor ')
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