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Half of Ohioans now support same-sex marriage, poll finds
Columbus Dispatch ^ | Monday February 24, 2014 7:01 AM | Darrel Rowland

Posted on 02/24/2014 9:38:11 PM PST by Olog-hai

For the first time, support for gay marriage in Ohio has reached the 50 percent threshold in the Quinnipiac Poll, a new survey released today shows.

Led by support among young voters, exactly half of Ohioans back same-sex marriage, compared to 44 percent who oppose it.

The new findings, which mirror public opinion shifts across the nation, represent a reversal since December of 2012, when 47 percent of Ohioans opposed gay marriage and 45 percent supported it. The change comes almost entirely from independent voters; Democrats support and Republicans oppose gay marriage by about the same percentages as before. …

(Excerpt) Read more at dispatch.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; liberalagenda; romneyagenda; romneymarriage; ssm

1 posted on 02/24/2014 9:38:11 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

First poll question: Are you gay? If not, hang up.


2 posted on 02/24/2014 9:39:19 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Olog-hai; All
"Half of Ohioans now support
same-sex marriage, poll finds"




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3 posted on 02/24/2014 9:40:55 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Olog-hai

Mob rule is not what we’re founded on and it’s a dangerous thing.

Gays should not be abused for being gay. Nor should god’s institution of marriage be destroyed.


4 posted on 02/24/2014 9:42:22 PM PST by stanne
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To: Olog-hai

These “young” voters are brainwashed, ignorant drones who have had Virtue targeted and killed by Sex Ed in the schools. It warps their WHOLE perception of “Good and Evil”. Flips it actually. Miley Cyrus Ethics.


5 posted on 02/24/2014 9:42:52 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Olog-hai

Another state going to the dogs. We can still primary Rob Portman though.


6 posted on 02/24/2014 9:43:08 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

tyranny of the majority


7 posted on 02/24/2014 9:43:25 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

Tyranny of the tiny minority who have brainwashes a small majority of young morons to oppress normal people.


8 posted on 02/24/2014 9:45:38 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Olog-hai

It only took a couple of decades to create support for something that has never existed in 5000 years of human history.

This is one for the books, for those who would study propaganda.

But the basic problem (and the basic opportunity for propagandists) is that most people get their sense of right and wrong from the culture. They have no way of gauging when the culture itself has gone off course.


9 posted on 02/24/2014 9:46:46 PM PST by marron
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To: Olog-hai

The language in these polls is constantly changing, being carefully massaged under scientific polling methods to produce the exactly “correct” results.

And still they can only manage 50%.


10 posted on 02/24/2014 9:47:22 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Olog-hai

I Googled for Quinnipiac Poll and among other weird things they show Ohio going 8:1 in favor of medpot.

Granted that probably too big a deal is being made out of marijuana, bigger than it deserves, but still. That puts the high in Ohio.

People even BELIEVE in these pseudo polls? I actually studied political science in the late 70’s as one of the few electives in an electrical engineering undergraduate curriculum. One thing that was emphasized about getting a scientifically valid poll was that the setup could take months. A large sample wasn’t required but it had to be painstakingly pursued. You’d have to really pester your target household to answer, and only go very reluctantly to an alternate.

Somehow this got bastardized to quickie phone polls.

Far as any reasoning person is concerned, Quinnipiac is some Algonquin word meaning bovine excrement.


11 posted on 02/24/2014 9:48:09 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
First poll question: Are you gay? If not, hang up.

No, I believe the poll. Being "in favor" will end up at around 75-80% of the population but will never include me.

12 posted on 02/24/2014 9:51:00 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: marron

Well, I don’t know about not in human history. There are hints that it was going on in the antediluvian world in Matthew 24:38, and of course in Sodom and Gomorrah.


13 posted on 02/24/2014 9:51:47 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Viennacon

“We can still primary Rob Portman though.”

Please do. I love the smell of stupid people getting embarassed.


14 posted on 02/24/2014 9:54:19 PM PST by staytrue
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To: Olog-hai

We have lost the war. Losing the Nation is next.


15 posted on 02/24/2014 9:55:09 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: Olog-hai

There’s also Canada’s actual experience. After giving in to the propaganda, after more than 8 years Canada has fewer than 100 such “couples” to show for it.

Actual genuine homos overwhelmingly don’t want faux marriage, and are only being bludgeoned into what political activity they do have by a handful loud mouth activists.

The participation rate in the actual Sodom reached a startling height. It’s almost as if it were required by the local law, not just allowed. Not even Abraham’s arithmetic prevailed.


16 posted on 02/24/2014 9:56:28 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: RIghtwardHo

Apparently we’ve lost you, so no sense telling you to get lost.


17 posted on 02/24/2014 9:57:00 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: RIghtwardHo

Defeatism is a lack of faith in God. Media lies are not victories in “the war”, either.


18 posted on 02/24/2014 9:58:21 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: RIghtwardHo

You’ve been fighting it on the wrong front, and God is making that fact more and more obvious.

This does not need to be a culture war.

It needs to be a gospel war.


19 posted on 02/24/2014 9:58:27 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
This does not need to be a culture war. It needs to be a gospel war.

This is the simple truth of it.

20 posted on 02/24/2014 10:04:30 PM PST by marron
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To: staytrue

Portman being the stupid person, a mega RINO


21 posted on 02/24/2014 10:05:26 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

Please run someone against Portman. They will be slaughtered.


22 posted on 02/24/2014 10:11:45 PM PST by staytrue
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To: staytrue

Yes, the same naysayers said we couldn’t beat Dewhurst. You RINOs are all the same. Portman is another traitor just like Gayham and McShame.


23 posted on 02/24/2014 10:18:16 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: marron
This is one for the books, for those who would study propaganda

Indeed. Goebbels would be envious...

24 posted on 02/24/2014 11:16:02 PM PST by rhinohunter (Freepers aren't booing -- they're shouting "Cruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuz")
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To: Olog-hai

Not this young Ohio voter.


25 posted on 02/25/2014 12:27:30 AM PST by Pinkbell
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To: HiTech RedNeck
There’s also Canada’s actual experience. After giving in to the propaganda, after more than 8 years Canada has fewer than 100 such “couples” to show for it.

Less than 100 couples? That doesn't seem to be correct.

According to the Canadian government census site, the 2011 census in Canada reported "A total of 64,575 same-sex couple families were reported in the 2011 Census, up 42.4% from 45,345 in 2006 (Table 3). Of these couples, 21,015 were same-sex married couples and 43,560 were same-sex common-law couples. While 16.5% of same-sex couples were married couples in 2006, this share nearly doubled to 32.5% in 2011.

Here is the link to the data: http://www12.statcan.ca/census-recensement/2011/as-sa/98-312-x/98-312-x2011001-eng.cfm

26 posted on 02/25/2014 2:15:10 AM PST by mountainbunny (Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens.” - J.R.R. Tolkien)
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To: Olog-hai

Sad.


27 posted on 02/25/2014 2:19:26 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Right will soon lose this debate because they let the Left define the terms and premises. The Right assumes government should define and grant Marriages.

It does not. God does.

Get your governments out of the Marriage business, and let people establish contracts. If governments one day decide to force us to honor a contract between other people (forcing a business to grant health insurance to a polygamist’s spouse, for example), or to force churches to mmarry gays, the we have tyranny.


28 posted on 02/25/2014 2:22:22 AM PST by ReaganGeneration2
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To: Olog-hai

Ohio is going the way of California, New York, Illinois, etc.


29 posted on 02/25/2014 3:03:53 AM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: mountainbunny

If that’s the case, then that’s the case. I don’t wish to carry on an error. That’s the danger of relying on an old meme. (That might be the number that actually stayed “married” for the 8 years.)

It certainly reflects a different attitude than the “gays” of old, whom you couldn’t pay to “marry.” It was considered a thrill kill. Affairs in the wild were considered the ideal. And these arrangements when attempted often proved very unstable and would provoke more promiscuity, not less. I wonder if while the craze is growing, the rate of “divorces” is keeping pace. Also is Canada remembering to strike from the books those who “divorced”?

At any rate, if the end game of this perversion is to flame like Sodom, even the attempt to “civilize” it through “marriage” will fail and “gay marriage” will be left behind. What relevance would “marriage” have to the mad, evil wish to rape in a gang bang, to meld love and violence in an unholy union? Maybe that’s why polygamy/polyamory is next up?

Anyhow, I will be careful about this in the future.


30 posted on 02/25/2014 3:22:22 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: caver
Ohio is going the way of California, New York, Illinois, etc.

AMERICA is going the way of California, New York, Illinois, etc.

It is time to repent.

31 posted on 02/25/2014 3:32:47 AM PST by who knows what evil? (The people of Red Hampshire: Ye are of your father, the devil.)
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To: mountainbunny

I’d also be curious how many of these “marriages” even involve sex at all. The state doesn’t even require a husband and a wife to engage in sex to be a husband and wife, so certainly not this. If they are means of leveraging benefits, then any pair of men or women with a don’t-care attitude might do this. Marriages of convenience, in this brave new world. I’d almost wonder if this might devolve into some sort of “household marriage” where a brother and sister might engage, though presumably being watchful not to have intercourse for the sake of any offspring. Because if a brother and brother can “gay marry” then mixed sex siblings will be clamoring for it.

Maybe the whole idea of “state marriage” will turn into a joke. And religious marriages will come full circle and be respected once more, because not every “state marriage” will be a “religious marriage.” God has a way of popping His head up above the chaos and saying “Miss Me yet?” no matter how bad the chaos.


32 posted on 02/25/2014 3:33:20 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: who knows what evil?

It’s time for modern Christendom to light the way of repentance (which simply means restoration to a right attitude with respect to God).

It hasn’t dealt very much with the issue in its churches, other than saying that it’s bad. But repentance comes on account of kindness (that’s not HTRN making this up, that’s the bible).


33 posted on 02/25/2014 3:35:32 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Olog-hai

Conservatives will lose this battle because they have lost control of the language...even most people here at FR refer to sodomites/queers/homosexuals as ‘gay’ It is such a benign word...’gay’. That is precisely why it was chosen by the godless marxist left so many years ago.


34 posted on 02/25/2014 3:42:56 AM PST by who knows what evil? (The people of Red Hampshire: Ye are of your father, the devil.)
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To: who knows what evil?

Also, churches would do well to become familiar with the common issues that appear in homosexuals’ lives. Being able to address them in kindness rather than in scorn will do a lot to help such people stay the course to realization of holiness. It puts visible arms and feet on the Lord’s promises to care.

Your name is “who knows what evil” but the challenge for mankind is, “who knows what good.” Where it comes from and what it looks like.

In fact to do this will be to rediscover charity, which is a charity of time and effort and relationship more than a charity of money. The church might have thought it sufficient to throw money at things. But money isn’t the answer to everything, despite the preacher’s tongue in cheek pronunciation in Ecclesiastes. Sometimes it’s you, not your money, that God wants.


35 posted on 02/25/2014 3:46:52 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: who knows what evil?

Well, the word “gay” does signify a vain striving. It is a sad irony.

For a little “gayness” homosexuals reap a lot of misery. Neither nature nor God is cheated; both are avenged by the effects of their loss or distance.


36 posted on 02/25/2014 3:49:37 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Olog-hai

Anyone who underestimates the power of the “lamestream media” and its Hollywood allies to shape public opinion today should find this instructive. When they decide it’s time to kill Christians, it should take them just a couple weeks to convince the public.


37 posted on 02/25/2014 4:24:02 AM PST by madprof98
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To: marron

They control public education and they control entertainment. The brainwashing is almost complete. I am feeling very discouraged for this country.


38 posted on 02/25/2014 4:31:48 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Olog-hai

It was not “marriage”.


39 posted on 02/25/2014 4:33:07 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I suspect that you are 100% correct insofar as once it is legal, it will no longer be compelling to many.

Along with the privileges, whatever those may seem to be, there are many, many responsibilities of marriage. They aren’t fun, but they are necessary.

A friend of mine said that gay people shouldn’t be “allowed” to marry, instead they should be “forced” to marry. She means it as a joke, but I know what she’s saying - marriage comes with the expectation of a lot of hard work.

Everything from the expectation of fidelity to sharing finances (good and bad), paying the “marriage penalty”, sharing family responsibilities, etc. Even those without children will suddenly have the expectation of taking care of their ageing in-laws. Single people don’t have those concerns. Planning for retirement, taking care of one’s spouse when sick, and so on. It never ends and it is really hard.

Churches have premarital counselling for that very reason - people who aren’t married usually seriously underestimate how much work being married is.


40 posted on 02/25/2014 6:18:55 AM PST by mountainbunny (Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens” J.R.R. Tolkien)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Far as any reasoning person is concerned, Quinnipiac is some Algonquin word meaning bovine excrement.

Actually, I seem to recall they did pretty well in 2012. They certainly did in 2010.

It is the height of folly to ignore polls just because we don't like the results. It hurt us in the last national election, when Romney ignored all get-out-the-vote efforts because his "unskewed" polls showed him cruising to easy victory.

Better we use these polls as a targeting system to see where we need to do the most work. That's the only way we're going to have any success pushing them back.
41 posted on 02/25/2014 5:40:46 PM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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