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Guns to Surpass Car Accidents as Leading Cause Of Deaths Among Young People
nationofchange.org ^ | 2/24/2014 | chelsea parsons

Posted on 02/24/2014 10:37:43 PM PST by rktman

While car accident deaths among young people have been steadily declining over the past decade, gun deaths have remained relatively unchanged. As described in a new Center for American Progress report released Friday, if current trends continue, gun deaths will surpass car accident deaths among young people sometime in 2015.

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KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment
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WOW WEE! They even got a chart to "prove" their case too. Maybe Michael Mann helped with the hockey stick. And to add even more credibility (!) there's a little heading at the top that says "PROGRESSIVE JOURNALISM FOR POSITIVE ACTION". That pretty much seals the deal for me. NOT! Like the say in the UK. Fookin' idjits. Just more from the gun control nazis.
1 posted on 02/24/2014 10:37:43 PM PST by rktman
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To: rktman

The Brits tried to take our guns and got their fookin’ arses kicked. If the progressives want our guns, they can come and take them. But they bloody well bring their lunch. And a lantern. It’ll be a long day.


2 posted on 02/24/2014 10:44:02 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: rktman
As described in a new Center for American Progress report

ha ha ha

3 posted on 02/24/2014 10:44:36 PM PST by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: rktman
Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Pew study: Gun homicides in U.S. dropped nearly 50 percent over 20 years

4 posted on 02/24/2014 10:47:05 PM PST by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: rktman

To bring things into perspective, guns has trouble to surpass vehicles as a cause of death in places like Afghanistan or Somalia.
And we are talking about nations where they have plenty of assault rifles and few cars.


5 posted on 02/24/2014 10:47:54 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: rktman

Center for American Progress - George Soros

http://m.c.lnkd.licdn.com/mpr/pub/image-Vm3tH3cjlWwUpDYBiUa-rTzXDR1YfH9LeE3z0uLVDpjFuV80Vm3zpBrjD0mhu5Hyvxqy/chelsea-parsons.jpg

Chelsea Parsons is Associate Director of Crime and Firearms Policy at American Progress. Her work focuses on advocating for progressive laws and policies relating to guns and the criminal justice system at the federal, state, and local levels. Prior to joining American Progress, she was general counsel to the New York City criminal justice coordinator, a role in which she helped develop and implement criminal justice initiatives and legislation in areas including human trafficking, sexual assault and family violence, firearms, identity theft, indigent defense, and justice system improvements. She previously served as an assistant New York state attorney general and a staff attorney law clerk for the Second Circuit Court of Appeals. She is a graduate of Sarah Lawrence College and Brooklyn Law School.


6 posted on 02/24/2014 10:55:58 PM PST by kcvl
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To: rktman

From the “when all else fails then lie” department.
Agenda driven statistics will ALWAYS support the agenda.
Especially when you don’t have actual facts to rely on.


7 posted on 02/24/2014 10:58:49 PM PST by nvscanman
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To: rktman

Geeze, at 117,000 abortions per month in this country, I would think gins and cars would be a less worry by far

Silly me

Anyway, I don’t think they’re factoring in that there’s a statistically lower rate of car owners and drivers ong these people than ever

After all, they are headed for an unprecedented depression and debt payback with a very high unemployment rate / low labor participation rate

They’re gonna hate us


9 posted on 02/24/2014 11:00:32 PM PST by stanne
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To: JimBianchi11

Grow up, that language doesn’t belong here.


13 posted on 02/24/2014 11:09:33 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: rktman; All
There seems to be a discrepancy between what the article is projecting and the following thread.
FR: Swimming Pools Six Times as Deadly for Kids as Guns

Maybe "kids" doesn't mean the same as "young people" in the contexts of car accidents and swimming pool deaths.

14 posted on 02/24/2014 11:10:57 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: rktman

Do “gun deaths” include suicides? Criminals shot during crimes? Criminals shot by each other?


17 posted on 02/24/2014 11:20:45 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: rktman

CENTER FOR AMERICAN PROGRESS (CAP)
1333 “H” Street NW - 10th Floor
Washington, DC
20005
Phone :202-682-1611
URL :http://www.americanprogress.org/

Think tank headed by former Clinton chief of staff John Podesta
Helped launch Media Matters For America in 2004
Has extremely close ties to Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, the Democratic Party, and George Soros
Helps formulate many Obama administration policies and talking points

See also: Shadow Party John Podesta Barack Obama

Democratic Party Hillary Clinton George Soros

The Center for American Progress (CAP) describes itself as “an independent nonpartisan educational institute dedicated to improving the lives of Americans through progressive ideas and action” in such areas as “energy, national security, economic growth and opportunity, immigration, education, and health care.” CAP is a key member of the Shadow Party, a network of non-profit activist groups organized by George Soros and others to mobilize resources — money, get-out-the-vote drives, campaign advertising, and policy initatives — to advance Democratic Party agendas.

The prime mover behind CAP’s creation was the billionaire philanthropist George Soros. Deeply disappointed by George W. Bush’s presidential election victory in 2000, and by the subsequent election of Republican majorities in both houses of Congress two years later, Soros was convinced that the Republicans’ success was a result of their superior think-tank infrastructure and media presence. Thus he called for the creation of a new left-wing, pro-Democrat think tank that, with proper funding, could establish a high-profile media presence of its own—and thereby counter the conservative message machine more directly than did existing liberal-left thinks such as the Brookings Institution, the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, the Urban Institute, and Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government.

Investigative journalist Robert Dreyfuss wrote in the March 1, 2004 edition of The Nation: “The idea for the Center [CAP] began with discussions in 2002 between [Morton] Halperin and George Soros, the billionaire investor.… Halperin, who heads the office of Soros’ Open Society Institute, brought [former Clinton chief of staff] John Podesta into the discussion, and beginning in late 2002 Halperin and Podesta circulated a series of papers to funders.” The Capital Research Center reports that Podesta eagerly “took on the project of creating a new laboratory for liberalism.”

Soon thereafter, Soros and Halperin (who would become CAP’s senior vice president) recruited Harold Ickes—chief fundraiser and former deputy chief of staff for the Clinton White House—to help organize the new think tank, which was launched on July 7, 2003 as the American Majority Institute. The name was changed to Center for American Progress on September 1, 2003.

Hillary Clinton, too, was intimately involved in the formation of CAP. She told reporter Matt Bai of The New York Times Magazine on October 12, 2003, “We need some new intellectual capital. There has to be some thought given as to how we build the 21st-century policies that reflect the Democrat Party’s values.” She later told The Nation’s Robert Dreyfuss: “We’ve had the challenge of filling a void on our side of the ledger for a long time, while the other side created an infrastructure that has come to dominate political discourse. The Center [CAP] is a welcome effort to fill that void.”

Persistent press leaks during CAP’s early years confirmed that Mrs. Clinton, and not its nominal leader, John Podesta, was ultimately in charge of the organization at that time. “It’s the official Hillary Clinton think tank,” an inside source confided to Christian Bourge of United Press International. Robert Dreyfuss noted in The Nation: “In looking at Podesta’s center, there’s no escaping the imprint of the Clintons. It’s not completely wrong to see it as a shadow government, a kind of Clinton White-House-in-exile—or a White House staff in readiness for President Hillary Clinton.” Dreyfuss noted the abundance of Clintonites on the Center’s staff, among them Robert Boorstin, Bill Clinton’s national security speechwriter; Gene Sperling, Democratic Leadership Council staffer and the former head of President Clinton’s National Economic Council; Matt Miller, former senior advisor to President Clinton’s Office of Management and Budget; Debbie Berger, daughter of Clinton national security chief Sandy Berger; and others. In 2007 Mrs. Clinton said, at the YearlyKos convention of left-wing bloggers, that she herself had “helped to start and support” CAP.

Wealthy donors contributed many millions of dollars to help the CAP establish itself during the first few years of its existence. These donations included $22,274,000 from the Sandler Foundation, created by Herbert and Marion Sandler; $3 million over a three-year period from George Soros; $3 million from the Marisla Foundation; $2,192,450 from the New York Community Trust; $1.9 million from the Stephen M. Silberstein Foundation; $1,849,991 from George Soros’s Open Society Institute; $797,983 from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation; and $765,000 from the Tides Foundation.

From its inception, one of CAP’s chief priorities has been to carry out “rapid response” to what it calls conservative “attacks” in the media. To this end, CAP has always maintained numerous spokespeople and “experts” ready to appear, on short notice, on national talk shows to debate or respond to conservative commentators.

In a related endeavor, on May 3, 2004, CAP helped launch David Brock’s Media Matters for America to serve as a “watchdog” organization monitoring “rightwing” media for ethics violations and factual inaccuracies. According to The New York Times, Brock conferred with Hillary Clinton, Senator Tom Daschle (a Distinguished Senior Fellow with CAP), and former U.S. Vice President Al Gore about Media Matters before embarking on the project. Podesta, noted the Times, “introduced [Brock] to potential donors.”

The Center for American Progress Action Fund

In 2003, CAP established a “sister advocacy organization” known as the Center for American Progress Action Fund (CAPAF), for the purpose of “transform[ing] progressive ideas into policy through rapid response communications, legislative action, grassroots organizing and advocacy, and partnerships with other progressive leaders throughout the country and the world.” The Capital Research Center points out that CAPAF, as a 501(c)(4) lobbying organization, is permitted to “attac[k] [political] candidates in ways the [CAP], a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, cannot.” CAP provides most of the funding for its Action Fund, whose president and CEO is former U.S. congressman Tom Perriello. In addition to his work with CAPAF, Perriello helped launch such organizations as Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good, Catholics United, Faith in Public Life, and FaithfulAmerica.org.

CAP’s Close Ties to the Democratic Party, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama

The Capital Research Center describes CAP, quite accurately, as “an adjunct of the Democratic Party” that “manufactures talking points, spins the daily news, and does opposition research”—essentially “a nonprofit public relations firm.” Little, if anything, that CAP produces can be considered serious research. Its policy positions and recommendations are indistinguishable from those of the Democratic Party. This is because so many of the Center’s senior staffers and Fellows are veterans of the Bill Clinton and Barack Obama administrations, and of the Democratic National Committee.

Most notably, the current president of CAP is Neera Tanden, who served as associate director for domestic policy in the Clinton White House; was a senior policy advisor to then-First Lady Hillary Clinton; was the deputy campaign manager and issues director of Mrs. Clinton’s 2000 Senate campaign in New York; served as policy director for Mrs. Clinton’s presidential campaign in 2008; was the director of domestic policy for the Obama-Biden presidential campaign of 2008; and served on President Obama’s healthcare-reform team in 2009-10.

As of September 2012, the following individuals were also among those CAPers with close ties to the Clintons and Obama:

Michael Barr served as a special advisor to President Bill Clinton.
Joel Berg served for eight years in senior executive service positions at the U.S. Department of Agriculture during the Clinton administration. Prior to that, he had been a policy analyst for the Progressive Policy Institute.
Donald Berwick served on President Clinton’s Advisory Commission on Consumer Protection and Quality in the Healthcare Industry. In July 2010, President Obama appointed Berwick as administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, a position he would hold until December 2011.

Ron Bloom served a stint in the Obama administration, as assistant to the president for manufacturing policy.

Carol Browner served in President Clinton’s cabinet as the administrator of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency from 1993 to 2001. She later served as head of President Obama’s White House Office of Energy and Climate Change, from 2009-11.

Joe Conason is a longtime Clinton supporter who wrote about the “Arkansas Project,” a secret, multimillion-dollar plan allegedly funded by a conservative Pittsburgh billionaire to find or invent negative information about the Clintons. Conason also co-authored The Hunting of the President: The Ten-Year Campaign to Destroy Bill and Hillary Clinton (2000). As of mid-2012, he was writing a new book on Bill Clinton’s post-presidency activities, titled The Further Adventures of William Jefferson Clinton.

David Cutler served on the Council of Economic Advisers and the National Economic Council during the Clinton administration. He was later a senior healthcare advisor to Barack Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign.
Tom Daschle (D-South Dakota) served eight years in the U.S. House of Representatives (1979-87) and eight years in the U.S. Senate (1987-2005).
Maria Echaveste served as assistant to the president and as deputy chief of staff for President Bill Clinton between May 1998 and January 2001.
Zeke Emanuel served on President Clinton’s Health Care Task Force.
Rudy deLeon served as President Clinton’s undersecretary of the Air Force from 1994 to 1997, and as Clinton’s undersecretary of defense for personnel and readiness from 1997 to 2000.

Debbie Fine worked for the Clinton White House from 1993-1997 in the Office of Public Liaison. In 1997 she became a special assistant in the Office of the Secretary at the Department of Education.

Bracken Hendricks served in the Clinton administration as special assistant to the Office of Vice President Al Gore; with the Department of Commerce’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration; and with the President’s Council on Sustainable Development. (He was also the founding executive director of the Apollo Alliance, and has served as an energy and economic advisor to the AFL-CIO.)

Michele Jolin served as chief of staff for President Clinton’s Council of Economic Advisers from 1995-99. In December 2010, Jolin was appointed by President Obama as a member of the White House Council for Community Solutions.

Daniella Gibbs Leger served as a special assistant to the president, and as director of message events, in the Obama administration.
Judd Legum was the research director for the “Hillary Clinton for President” campaign in 2008.

Matt Miller served in the Clinton administration as senior advisor in the White House Office of Management and Budget from 1993-95.
Jonathan D. Moreno was a member of President Obama’s transition team in 2008-09. Obama subsequently appointed Moreno to his bioethics commission.

Jessica O’Connell was the national director of operations for the 2008 “Hillary Clinton for President” campaign.

Ann O’Leary served on the White House Domestic Policy Council under President Bill Clinton; was legislative director to Senator Hillary Clinton; served as a volunteer policy advisor to the “Hillary Clinton for President” campaign; and was a member of the Obama-Biden presidential transition team advising the incoming administration on early childhood education issues.

Jonathan Orszag was a policy advisor on President Clinton’s National Economic Council.

John Prendergast served under President Bill Clinton as was director of African affairs at the National Security Council, and as a special advisor to Susan Rice at the Department of State. He has also worked for UNICEF, Human Rights Watch, the International Crisis Group, and the U.S. Institute of Peace.

Bishop Gene Robinson was invited by Barack Obama to give the invocation at the opening presidential inaugural ceremonies in washington on January 18, 2009.

Joseph Romm served in the Clinton Department of Energy from 1995-98.
Shirley Sagawa was deputy chief of staff to then-First Lady Hillary Clinton.
Richard Samans was a senior director with President Bill Clinton’s National Security Council, and a senior staff member of Clinton’s National Economic Council.

Peter Swire served as the Clinton administration’s chief counselor for privacy from 1999-2001 in the Office of Management and Budget. He later served Barack Obama as special assistant to the president for economic policy, from 2009 until August 2010.

Laura Tyson served in the Clinton administration as chair of the Council of Economic Advisers (1993-95) and as the President’s National Economic Adviser (1995-96). She later became a member of President Obama’s Council of Jobs and Competitiveness, President Obama’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s Foreign Affairs Policy Board.

Richard Verma in 2008 served on the Defense Department Presidential Transition Team of the newly elected Barack Obama. He subsequently became a principal advisor to Obama’s Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton.
Click here to view a list of some additional CAP Fellows and senior staffers with noteworthy left-wing ties.

From the moment Barack Obama was elected President in 2008, CAP had more influence on the new administration than did any other organization. As a November 2008 piece in Time magazine put it: “[N]ot since the Heritage Foundation helped guide Ronald Reagan’s transition in 1981 has a single outside group held so much sway. Just as candidate Obama depended on CAP during the campaign for opposition research and talking points, President-elect Obama has effectively contracted out the management of his own government’s formation to [John] Podesta.” Indeed, Podesta and at least ten additional CAP experts were among the president-elect’s top advisors.

From the earliest days of the the Obama presidency, CAP helped formulate the administration’s policies and supplied the White House with a steady stream of talking points designed to make those policies attractive to the public. Indeed, as of December 2008, before then-president-elect Obama had even taken his oath of office, he had already pledged his intent to fulfill some of CAP’s chief policy recommendations. These included the Center’s call for a gradual withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq coupled with a buildup of forces in Afghanistan; a plan to implement universal healthcare coverage for all Americans; and a plan to create “green jobs” that would combat “global warming.” According to a November 18, 2008 report by Bloomberg.com, CAP “has become ... an intellectual wellspring for Democratic policy proposals, including many that are shaping the agenda of the ... Obama administration.”

Emblematic of this was the synergy that Obama and CAP displayed in dealing with the disastrous BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico in the spring of 2010. In May and June of that year, when the crisis was at its height, Obama followed the Center’s recommendations on such matters as creating an independent commission to examine the causes of the crisis; naming someone to be the public point person for the oil-spill response; and demanding that BP immediately set up a multi-billion-dollar escrow account to pay damage claims to Gulf-state residents harmed by the spill.

On virtually every policy matter—health-care reform, fiscal policy, civil rights, immigration, housing, labor, national security, foreign policy, media, energy, and the environment—CAP’s recommendations fit hand-in-glove with the Obama administration’s values and agendas. In many cases, as in the examples cited above, the administration actually followed CAP’s instructions.

One of the more infamous individuals to join the new Obama administration was CAP Senior Fellow Van Jones, the self-identified revolutionary communist whom President Obama appointed as his “green jobs” czar in early 2009.

The CAP Message Machine

As of February 2011, CAP’s single largest department was its communications department, comprised of 31 full-time staffers tasked with spinning the news in a direction favorable to the Obama administration and the Democrats. “Rare is the day a reporter doesn’t get three or more press releases from [CAP],” said the Capital Research Center, adding:

“[CAP] hosts almost daily conference calls to reporters promoting its policy positions and responses to news events. The staff accommodates the press, eagerly arranging one-on-one interviews and supplying quot- able quotes for news stories. For reporters with deadlines crashing down on them, the Center is well-known as an easy quote machine. Podesta regularly appears on Sunday morning news programs.... Center researchers provide useful talking points for Democratic members of Congress.... To further spin the news, every weekday the Action Fund emails reporters a ‘progress report,’ a 400-500 word hyperlink-heavy analysis of the issue of the moment. The links often refer back to the Center’s own various blogs and website postings. It is a reliable echo chamber for left-wing conventional wisdom.”

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/printgroupProfile.asp?grpid=6709


18 posted on 02/24/2014 11:21:12 PM PST by kcvl
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To: cunning_fish

I think they are referring to guns vs autos in the US.


19 posted on 02/24/2014 11:27:05 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

>>I think they are referring to guns vs autos in the US<<

Yep, I mentioned Afghanistan for a reason. They have so little cars and so many gun, gunning down each other on a daily basis and still more people dies in car accidents in Afghanistan.

An idea that US, with much more autos and much less tradition to gun down neighbors and minorities, might bring any opposite rate is simply ridiculous.


20 posted on 02/24/2014 11:34:07 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: rktman

And in other irrelevant apples vs. oranges comparison news, guns surpassed slipping on banana peels as a cause of death of widdle chill’run in the year 1541.


21 posted on 02/24/2014 11:47:52 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: nvscanman
From the “when all else fails then lie” department.

... and lie and lie and lie and then tell everyone "everyone knows...."

22 posted on 02/25/2014 12:04:36 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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When you vote for Marxists, you don’t have work.

When you don’t have work, you don’t have money.

When you don’t have money, you can’t buy fuel.

When you can’t buy fuel, you have an empty tank.

When you have an empty tank, you can’t drive your car.

When you can’t drive your car, you feel like a loser.

When you feel like a loser, well...


23 posted on 02/25/2014 12:13:45 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: ltc8k6

I’m sure they wouldn’t want to get into a look at the percentage of black gang bangers involved on both sides of the numbers, as deaths and perps.

The issue is culture, not inanimate objects, the ownership of which is Constitutionally protected.


24 posted on 02/25/2014 12:38:42 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: rktman

Does this mean we should start killing more young people on the roads to get the numbers back up? What else could citing a statistic on the falling number of traffic related deaths mean?

What is the relationship between the number killed by traffic and the number killed by guns, and why is one relevant to the other? Is this a purely emotional argument?


25 posted on 02/25/2014 1:56:23 AM PST by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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To: rktman
So a drop from 12,000 to 6,000 vehicle deaths is a "a significant victory"; but a reduction from 11,000 to 6,000 gun deaths over the same period, the numbers "barely moved" and "represents an enormous failure". 50% drop = huzzahs; 45% drop = Obama abject failure. Just wow.
26 posted on 02/25/2014 2:00:46 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: rktman

Wondering why they picked the age of “under 26” for their samples?

It is because they needed to expand their sample size to include gun deaths by gang members in their mid-20’s.

26 is not “youth”. 26 is an adult. 18 and under are youth.

I had finished college; held a job; gotten married; owned a home and two cars; and had children by the age of 26. I was far from unique - about average among my peers.

This is such a load of garbage.


27 posted on 02/25/2014 2:36:00 AM PST by mountainbunny (Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens” J.R.R. Tolkien)
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To: ltc8k6

“Do “gun deaths” include suicides? Criminals shot during crimes? Criminals shot by each other?”

You nailed it. The article is correlating all auto accident deaths with all gun related deaths whether accidents, self defense, crime related, etc. obviously the article is not reflecting apples to apples data. But, hey, would we expect anything less from liberals?


28 posted on 02/25/2014 3:14:10 AM PST by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: rktman

Its not fair to compare car accidents (which are ACCIDENTS) to thugs murdering each other on purpose. Everyone wants to avoid accidents, murder is intentional.


29 posted on 02/25/2014 3:30:17 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: rktman; All
Here's your answer, from the story:

In 2010, 6,201 young people between the ages of 15 and 24 died by gunfire. Guns were a close second to the leading cause of death among this age group, car accidents, which took the lives of 7,024 young people that year.

The story also has a chart which shows deaths for "people under 26," which of course is not the same thing as people between 15 and 24.

30 posted on 02/25/2014 3:33:47 AM PST by sphinx
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To: ApplegateRanch

Don’t tell us what the numbers mean!
The Center for American Progress will tell us what the numbers mean!


31 posted on 02/25/2014 3:38:51 AM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law and does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: rktman

Thank Democrats for 40+ years of welfare creating very substandard housing and living for minorities, resulting in gangs and crime. The “hood” continues to be a place where gun violence is brought on by no incentive for self-betterment thanks to an abundance of EBT cards and welfare checks. The only way to get ahead is by taking something that belongs to someone else, including a life.


32 posted on 02/25/2014 3:50:09 AM PST by From The Deer Stand
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To: nvscanman

More proof that cars get safer every year, and the unemployed don’t drive much.


33 posted on 02/25/2014 3:52:33 AM PST by motor_racer (Who will bell the cat?)
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To: motor_racer

Guns cause more deaths than cars? Perhaps they counted all the guns in the entire WORLD vs the U.S. cars.

I’m not buying it!


34 posted on 02/25/2014 4:05:28 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: Progov

Obama’s ROE casualties are counted in that figure.


35 posted on 02/25/2014 4:08:16 AM PST by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: rktman
ban cars, ban the ground as many falls kill people. someone could die as that has never happened so ban everything and install a socialist state, the cure for every made up crisis by the evil news media and the evil democrats. /partial sarcasm
36 posted on 02/25/2014 4:17:25 AM PST by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: kcvl

National Data
According to the FBI SHR data, in 2007 there were 7,387 black homicide
victims in the United States. The homicide rate among black victims in the United
States was 20.86 per 100,000. For that year, the overall national homicide rate was
5.30 per 100,000. For whites, the national homicide rate was 3.11 per 100,000.
Additional information contained in the FBI SHR data on black homicide includes the
following.
Gender
Of the 7,387 black homicide victims, 6,345 (86 percent) were male, and 1,042
(14 percent) were female. The homicide rate for black male victims was 37.59 per
100,000. In comparison, the overall rate for male homicide victims was 8.56 per
100,000. For white male homicide victims it was 4.63 per 100,000. The homicide
rate for female black victims was 5.62 per 100,000. In comparison, the overall rate
for female homicide victims was 2.11 per 100,000. For white female homicide
victims it was 1.61 per 100,000.

http://www.vpc.org/studies/blackhomicide10.pdf

Seems it’s a “black youth” problem. Did they mention that?


37 posted on 02/25/2014 4:17:52 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ltc8k6

and do motor vehicle deaths include suicides as well?


38 posted on 02/25/2014 4:30:55 AM PST by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: aumrl

“and do motor vehicle deaths include suicides as well?”

Almost certainly, and that’s almost certainly a small number, so that it can basically be ignored.

Whereas gun suicides is not a small number.


39 posted on 02/25/2014 4:37:35 AM PST by ltc8k6
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You mean all those “children” with the saggy pants and gold grills in their teeth? The one’s riding around in cars, high on drugs in the middle of the night? The ones who never finished school and never had a job? The one’s with the perpetual glaze in their eyes? The one’s who are functionally illiterate and no skills?

Yes, guns are the problem. We must do something for “the children.”


40 posted on 02/25/2014 4:48:32 AM PST by stranger and pilgrim
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To: Amendment10

I won’t be reading the article but I’m guessing those gun deaths are 90% gang and drug trafficking related. They are crime statistics.


41 posted on 02/25/2014 5:11:59 AM PST by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: rktman

Maybe in Chicago...


42 posted on 02/25/2014 5:42:37 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: rktman

Center for American Progress is another Soros operation. Most likely, everyone who works there is a fascist. People better wake up because Soros is funding fascist and muslim terrorist organizations around the world.


43 posted on 02/25/2014 5:47:57 AM PST by sergeantdave
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To: Amendment10

No, according to the new parenting guidelines, kids are kids until they are 26 apparently and you are responsible until that time. LOL! Sure ain’t like the “old” days is it?


44 posted on 02/25/2014 6:04:57 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme),unemployment will necessarily skyrocket! Despite the % dropping. Period.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

As jojo biden might say: “One word. Common Core Math.”


45 posted on 02/25/2014 6:07:16 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme),unemployment will necessarily skyrocket! Despite the % dropping. Period.)
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To: sergeantdave

Thank goodness we have the evil Koch Brothers to counter the soros bunch huh? LOL!


46 posted on 02/25/2014 6:10:17 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme),unemployment will necessarily skyrocket! Despite the % dropping. Period.)
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[Video] TX Gov Rick Perry Owns CT Gov Dan Malloy During Gun Control Debate on CNN

February 24 2014
by Dan Cannon
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Rarely do we see state governors debating each other on national television, but that’s exactly what we got to see on CNN’s State of the Union recently.

Connecticut Governor Dan Malloy, a noted anti-gunner and a big reason CT passed such strict gun control laws last year was asked by CNN’s Candy Crowley if he thought gun laws in other states undermined CT’s ability to regulate guns with their strict laws. Malloy said,

I think we have a federal problem in the sense that we are rejecting the idea that we should have tighter controls on who has a gun. Universal background checks would make everyone safer in their states and in mine. It is a starting point. We should not be assigning or allowing folks who have mental health challenges currently to acquire guns.
We should not have a system that allows people who have extensive criminal records to get around –

When Crowley asked the other governor’s present if they agreed with Malloy, Texas Governor Rick Perry was the first to speak up,

Certainly not – the Second Amendment pretty much is a good amendment. And we support it in the state of Texas. The restrictions that you’ve seen states like Connecticut – when you think about the northeast, that was the Silicon Valley, if you will, of gun manufacturing. And you’re seeing those manufacturers leaving the northeast because of the taxation, the regulations, and just the attitude towards manufacturers of weapons.

As a matter of fact, Governor Bentley, was announced on Monday, Remington is moving 2,000 jobs being created there in Huntsville. Governor Haslam in Tennessee welcomed Beretta into his state. We invited Magpool into Texas. So, you’re seeing a shift of these manufacturers out of states that don’t want them there. And I think that is an appropriate move and an appropriate conversation for us to have.

And you’re absolutely right about the Tenth Amendment in the states. I know these governors will make decisions that are best for their citizens. Now, we compete against each other and that’s good.

http://gunssavelives.net/politics/video-tx-gov-rick-perry-owns-ct-gov-dan-malloy-during-gun-control-debate-on-cnn/


47 posted on 02/25/2014 6:11:17 AM PST by KeyLargo
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How can guns cause more deaths?

All the new laws point to Texting as the greatest cause of death among youths/teens these days.

Oh, Wait! "Youths and Teens" are the new media code words for black kids, so there must be quite an uptick in gang-banger projected shootings/deaths.

48 posted on 02/25/2014 6:14:53 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
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To: rktman

Not having read the article, I don’t know if this is legitimate. However, let us assume for the moment that it is correct, and gun deaths among young people are remaining unchanged while automobile deaths are declining. Why might that be?

I would suggest that the availability of cars has nothing to do with the decline of auto deaths; the decline has everything to do with teaching. When I was in high school, we had a quarter (12 weeks) of Driver’s Ed to prepare for getting our learner’s permits. Because we take such care to teach our children how to drive safely, they are more likely to practice safe driving techniques.

Compare that to our approach to firearms. Rather than teach children proper firearms safety in school (leaving Boy Scouts and other organizations out of the equation for now), we teach them to fear anything that even resembles a firearm. And because we tell them to fear guns, they get curious about why guns are so bad, so they are more likely to play with an actual gun if they find it.

If we want the rate of firearms-related deaths among children to decrease, the first place to start would be by making NRA firearms safety courses part of the school curriculum at a fairly young age (perhaps one each in elementary, middle, and high school, with the high school class including range time shooting handguns and rifles).


49 posted on 02/25/2014 6:28:19 AM PST by lcms rev
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To: rktman

“Young people.”

I hear dog whistles.


50 posted on 02/25/2014 9:46:38 AM PST by Organic Panic
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