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Something Rand Paul, Rick Santorum, and Eric Holder Can All Agree on
Slate ^ | Feb. 19 2014 1:35 PM | Emma Roller

Posted on 02/25/2014 6:11:46 AM PST by SoConPubbie

Sen. Rand Paul brought his national crusade against the war on drugs back to his home state, giving testimony before the Kentucky state senate in favor of an amendment to restore voting rights to felons after they get out of prison.

The amendment, which state Republicans have forestalled for years, looks like it may finally pass. Today, only Kentucky and Virginia permanently strip felons' of their voting rights. Most states require a probationary period before felons can vote again, but states like Iowa and Florida have such punitive laws that they may as well be permanent. Only Maine and Vermont have no restrictions on felons voting, including when they are still in prison.

The original version of the Kentucky amendment would immediately restore voting rights to felons after they get out of prison. But once the amendment was introduced into the Republican-controlled state Senate, a substitute amendment was tacked on. The new version would delay vote restoration for felons by five years, provided the ex-convict did not commit any more crimes (felonies or misdemeanors) during that time.

State Rep. Jesse Crenshaw, who sponsored the original version, refused to present the substitute version of his own amendment. "You want to show the person that they are being welcomed back into society," Crenshaw told the committee. "The committee substitute does the exact opposite."

In his testimony, Paul gave a fact-based and level-headed critique of mandatory minimums, the war on drugs, and the American justice system writ large—it could have doubled as a David Simon blog post. A few samples:

- "When you look at those who are being deprived of voting, I think it is disproportionately people of color."

(Excerpt) Read more at slate.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: randpaul; santorum

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1 posted on 02/25/2014 6:11:46 AM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

Rand Paul using the racist words of the left to push for felon voting rights.


2 posted on 02/25/2014 6:12:16 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

Voting rights should be tied to firearms ownership rights. If you can’t trust them with a gun, why trust them with a ballot? (Answer: because felons tend to vote ‘rat, so the left wants them to vote, but the left doesn’t want them, nor anyone else, to own guns. But Republicans could show some spine here and require that one goes with the other. Same criteria, same ID requirements, same age limits, etc.)


3 posted on 02/25/2014 6:17:19 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: coloradan

This felon doesn’t vote democrat. However this felon isn’t a low info conservative too stupid to know that voting rights are up to the states.


4 posted on 02/25/2014 6:29:59 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

First, I wrote “tend” to vote left, not “always” vote left. In particular, big cities have a lot of convicted felons, overwhelming the number in more conservative areas, and the inner city felon populations very much tend to vote left, being part of the FSA.

Second, the case be made to each State to connect voting rights and firearms ownership rights, and furthermore, this case can be made by federal employees, including members of Congress, AGs and even by the President, that the States should consider doing this. Of course I don’t expect the current President nor the AG to do so, for the first reason, but they could if they wanted to, and it might happen in at least some states if they did. (But I don’t expect this either, for the first reason.)

So I stand by everything I wrote, and offer that you reconsider your opinion that the idea comes from a low-information conservative who is too stupid to know better.


5 posted on 02/25/2014 7:02:02 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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Anyone who wants to restrict 2nd amendment rights in any way is no conservative period.


6 posted on 02/25/2014 7:12:58 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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7 posted on 02/25/2014 7:24:25 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: cripplecreek

Who says I want to restrict 2nd amendment rights in any way? If you can’t trust someone to have a gun, don’t let them out of prison. And don’t let them vote in prison, either. Let those who are out of prison buy guns without forcing everyone to prove their non-criminal. And change sentences so that people you don’t want buying guns, don’t get out of jail.

But, insofar as we presently have background checks for firearms transfers, nothing is lost if background checks are made a requirement for voting. Note that some people have claimed that having to show ID to vote amounts to “voter intimidation.” I wouldn’t mind hearing some politician claim that so much as having to show ID to buy a gun, let alone enduring a criminal background check, amounts to “intimidation” of those attempting to exercise their Second Amendment rights. After all, voting is an important right, but so is gun onwership.

Do you still think I’m a low-information conservative who is just too stupid?


8 posted on 02/25/2014 7:28:24 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: coloradan
Who says I want to restrict 2nd amendment rights in any way? If you can’t trust someone to have a gun, don’t let them out of prison. And don’t let them vote in prison, either. Let those who are out of prison buy guns without forcing everyone to prove their non-criminal. And change sentences so that people you don’t want buying guns, don’t get out of jail.

Then we are in complete agreement and I offer my sincere apology for misunderstanding you.

As far as felons voting are concerned, I don't think too many are sitting in prison or jail dreaming of the day they can get out and vote. In my case, I didn't have any interest in voting or politics till my misspent youth was well behind me.

However, I will always oppose letting people vote while in jail, or prison, on parole etc. Inmates would vote just to have a change of pace and democrats will pander to that vote at every opportunity.

I tend to agree that any man too dangerous to own a gun is a man too dangerous to let out of prison. Background checks are little more than a means of collecting the names of the law abiding. Criminals aren't going to ask for permission to own a gun.

BTW my horrifying "felony" was in failing to appear for court on a drunk driving charge many years ago. I was a drunk, what the hell did they expect.
9 posted on 02/25/2014 7:40:42 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Apology accepted. I have always thought in the past that we were very much on the same side of the gun issue.


10 posted on 02/25/2014 7:48:32 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: coloradan

I’m just so used to seeing the same reactionary crap posted that I guess I see it where it doesn’t even exist. (Reactionary on my own part)


11 posted on 02/25/2014 8:09:09 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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