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Is this really a good time to cut back our military? : Sending the wrong message to our enemies
American Thinker ^ | 02/25/2014 | Silivo Canto Jr.

Posted on 02/25/2014 6:48:53 AM PST by SeekAndFind

According to news reports, the US military will be cut dramatically:

"Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel has proposed shrinking the Army to its smallest size in 74 years through a series of base closures and troops cuts, and by completely eliminating several Air Force aircraft fleets.

The move comes as the U.S. Army moves into the final phases of a massive troop withdrawal from Afghanistan, and Congress raises new red flags about American deficit spending.

Hagel surprised some observers on Monday when he outlined a global military philosophy that removed America from the center of its universe.

[SNIP]

I oppose these cuts because they will confirm that the US is in retreat.

This is the wrong message when we have China rising and sending its warships around.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: budget; cuts; defense; military

1 posted on 02/25/2014 6:48:53 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

That’s the problem. Cutting back on the military is sending the world EXACTLY the message that Obama wants to send.


2 posted on 02/25/2014 6:50:14 AM PST by cincinnati65
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To: SeekAndFind

We are being set up for an ambush


3 posted on 02/25/2014 6:50:35 AM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of ingtheir political choices.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Of course it’s the wrong thing to do; why else would 0bama do it? Other than giving the go ahead to get osama, 0bama has done exactly the opposite of what the right thing to do is/was.


4 posted on 02/25/2014 6:50:55 AM PST by thejokker
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To: SeekAndFind

It is a really good time to reconsider our endless commitments abroad and foreign entanglements that do nothing to enhance the security of the United States.


5 posted on 02/25/2014 6:52:16 AM PST by allendale
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To: SeekAndFind

It is a really good time to reconsider our endless commitments abroad and foreign entanglements that do nothing to enhance the security of the United States.


6 posted on 02/25/2014 6:52:16 AM PST by allendale
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To: SeekAndFind

In general, I don’t believe that an unlimited budget to defense is a good idea. However, what we have here is defense cuts for reasons that are ideological as opposed to practical or tactical. The money that would have been spent on defense will now be spent on buying votes through welfare transfers instead of being returned to the taxpayers.


7 posted on 02/25/2014 6:52:48 AM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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8 posted on 02/25/2014 6:54:47 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: SeekAndFind

A champagne lifestyle on a lemonade income has never been a conservative moral value, hasn’t it?
Whatever cut may be on the table, the U.S. defense budget will remain far greater than the China’s.


9 posted on 02/25/2014 6:59:30 AM PST by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: Ouderkirk
The money that would have been spent on defense will now be spent on buying votes through welfare transfers instead of being returned to the taxpayers.

You've forgotten the national debt.

10 posted on 02/25/2014 7:01:05 AM PST by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The curse of the Americal Division continues.

First it was LT William Calley and now it’s SP4 Chuck Hagel.


11 posted on 02/25/2014 7:01:45 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: SeekAndFind

That’s the message the Progressives/LibTurds/Pacifist/PoloiRats have sent that ultimately got us involved in every war since Civil War.


12 posted on 02/25/2014 7:03:11 AM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Like something an islamist would do. What a surprise.


13 posted on 02/25/2014 7:04:01 AM PST by onedoug
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To: SeekAndFind

Looks to me like the traitors in DC are setting the table for the muslims and commies to take territory and lives without a challenge from a strong US military.


14 posted on 02/25/2014 7:04:10 AM PST by sergeantdave
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To: SeekAndFind
Part of their Cloward-Piven plan to kill a giant with a thousand cuts.

Ratchet up unemployment, which gives them reasons to ratchet up even more spending on social programs, which gives them reasons to cut "unnecessary" spending on things like national defense.

One can tell the giant is close to bleeding out when even the Post Office gets a big ammo budget while the military loses theirs.

15 posted on 02/25/2014 7:05:21 AM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: DJ Taylor

Don’t forget Colin Powell.

(However interesting a concept Americal may have been. I was in it too.)


16 posted on 02/25/2014 7:06:46 AM PST by onedoug
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To: SeekAndFind
Sending the wrong message to our enemies

With the kind of people we have in charge in Washington,D.C., who needs enemies?

17 posted on 02/25/2014 7:07:23 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Israel should buy all the A10s and offer jobs to the fliers.
All those displaced soldiers will be useful come next election time for the Conservatives and in case Obama tries anything stupid.


18 posted on 02/25/2014 7:07:48 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama cannot cut anything. The House makes the cuts as they set the budgets. That’s the eGOP.


19 posted on 02/25/2014 7:08:12 AM PST by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: SeekAndFind

A weakened readiness posture is the exact goal of this administration. So long as Obama sits atop the throne, our military is no longer to be used for any objective except to assist muslim terrorists or to shore up the regimes supporting them.


20 posted on 02/25/2014 7:09:28 AM PST by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: Ouderkirk
The money that would have been spent on defense will now be spent on buying votes through welfare transfers instead of being returned to the taxpayers.

Ding-ding-ding! We have a winner!
21 posted on 02/25/2014 7:11:42 AM PST by Thorliveshere (Minnesota Survivor)
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To: SeekAndFind
Is this really a good time to cut back our military? : Sending the wrong message to our enemies.

What exactly are they cutting back on? They're reducing the size of the Army. Well, the Army isn't going to be a whole lot of use against China. They're retiring the A-10s, which are nearing the end of their lives and which support the Army mainly. But what else? Are they talking about reducing the number of carriers? Cutting back on the number of submarines? Downsizing the Air Force? These are the branches that will likely play a part in any conflict with China. If money is being taken away from the army to devote to the Navy and Air Force then that may not be such a bad thing.

22 posted on 02/25/2014 7:12:41 AM PST by Lower Deck
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To: SeekAndFind

Plenty of money for Obama to promote homosexualism, persecute American Christians and hand out billions in aid and armaments to radical muslims throughout the mideast and Africa.

Plenty of money for Michell’s multi-million dollar vacations with a few hundred of her best friends.

Plenty of money for free Obamaphones, free medical for illegals and to add millions more on food stamps.

Plenty of money for military arms, ammunition and equipment for the IRS, FEMA and other civilian agencies to equip their own para-military units.

But not enough money to keep the military strong.


23 posted on 02/25/2014 7:14:25 AM PST by Iron Munro (Eight died on that bridge at Concord, back in 1775. How many will it take this time?)
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To: onedoug
"(However interesting a concept Americal may have been. I was in it too.)"

Your reunions must be interesting affairs.

24 posted on 02/25/2014 7:14:42 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

Anyone know where the 85 BILLION per month for years has been going?


25 posted on 02/25/2014 7:16:10 AM PST by edcoil ( "All men's miseries derive from not being able to sit in a quiet room alone." - Blaise Pascal)
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To: edcoil

the last time that question was asked was 9/10/2001


26 posted on 02/25/2014 7:26:41 AM PST by AK_47_7.62x39 (There are many moderate Muslims, but there is no such thing as a moderate Islam. -- Geert Wilders)
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To: SeekAndFind

http://www.military.com/military-report/china-spying-on-u.s.-veterans?ESRC=miltrep.nl


27 posted on 02/25/2014 7:27:59 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Ouderkirk

Why do we need an army and navy? Maybe we just need an air force and a few subs ? There will never be another world war—The last one was so bad—it was the war to end all wars. Look at all the peace we have had since 1945? We are in a new age—people are different now—less violence, racism, and murder. Its a new age of Peace! We can smoke pot in public, most Americans are high on pills, pot or booze! Who needs to work when we have TV and PCs? Free Food vis Food Stamps.


28 posted on 02/25/2014 7:31:06 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: DJ Taylor

Haven’t been to any. Though there were a lot of great guys in my 1/1 Cav unit (armor), and even a few decent officers.


29 posted on 02/25/2014 7:33:15 AM PST by onedoug
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To: SeekAndFind
Good article SAF..."shrinking the Army to its smallest size in 74 years"....one of the causes of WWII was the US had such a small military presence that the Axis thought we were powerless.... One writer said the USMC was so small prior to 1941 that they all knew each other personally.
30 posted on 02/25/2014 7:36:06 AM PST by virgil283 (When the sun spins, the cross appears, and the skies burn red)
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To: SeekAndFind

Part and parcel of Obama’s policy - if you can’t destroy the nation from inside, lure a foreign power into doing it from the outside.

Besides, the Democrats prefer to use the money to buy votes from corrupt Americans with various government give-aways and scams.


31 posted on 02/25/2014 7:42:10 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: SeekAndFind

Its not the disaster you might imagine. As long as the general populace is well armed no foreign power would be stupid enough to take us on....exc Barry and his minions. I imagine those cut from the military will find a home at DHS. So, really the standing army hasnt been cut just shuffled around w/ a far less restrictive ROE. At the same time the liberals are pushing ‘gun control’ so they might completely consolidate their power.


32 posted on 02/25/2014 8:04:17 AM PST by 556x45
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To: SeekAndFind
Is this the plan of the man in the WH? The US military in absolute disarray from hundreds of patriotic commanders being purged, troop moral intentionally being destroyed by suicidal ROEs when in close combat, loss of personal and monetary benefits for troops, heavy US military hardware being given to law enforcement agencies all over America, the erosion of financing for material support to defend this nation's homeland.

The US is broke so where is the money going to come from to rebuild our military if obozo is allowed to destroy it? There are way too many skunks in the DC woodpile that are allowing the head skunk in the WH to orchestrate the demise of our country!! Tar and feathers? No, a firing squad!

33 posted on 02/25/2014 8:09:39 AM PST by drypowder
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To: SeekAndFind

I am in a quandary here. I do realize that the US has foreign enemies, but I also realize that the Federal government is the number one threat to my liberty and prosperity.


34 posted on 02/25/2014 8:11:44 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: SeekAndFind

An observer of US history will note that the tragic consequences of such unpreparedness is that the time lag required to bring the armed forces up to a fighting posture when needed has always been paid for in the blood of young Americans and at exorbitant costs. If you think that is okay, I recommend that you see if you can find a survivor of the early period of the Korean war and inquire. There may still be a few of those heroes around, but very few. You perhaps can still find a WWII survivor and inquire as to how it felt to go up a German 88 with the weapons you had available. If you note, our forces were behind the power curve on the ground and in the air. Personally, I think it is criminal to knowingly put our forces in that position again.


35 posted on 02/25/2014 8:20:12 AM PST by Temujinshordes
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To: ScottinVA
"A weakened readiness posture is the exact goal of this administration."

Elections have consequences and the people spoke in November 2012.

36 posted on 02/25/2014 8:20:13 AM PST by buckalfa (Tilting at Windmills)
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To: SeekAndFind

Change the Q to “Is this a good time to end our role as world policeman and nation builder and defend the USA only? Hint: We are so broke we are borrowing from China and no matter which side we die for, we lose.


37 posted on 02/25/2014 8:21:59 AM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: grumpygresh

RE: I am in a quandary here. I do realize that the US has foreign enemies, but I also realize that the Federal government is the number one threat to my liberty and prosperity.

National defense is the priority job of the national government. Article One, Section Eight of the Constitution lists 17 separate powers that are granted to the Congress.

Six of those powers deal exclusively with the national defense—far more than any other specific area of governance—and grant the full range of authorities necessary for establishing the defense of the nation as it was then understood. Congress is given specific authority to declare war, raise and support armies, provide for a navy, establish the rules for the operation of American military forces, organize and arm the militias of the states, and specify the conditions for converting the militias into national service.

Article Two establishes the President as the government’s chief executive officer. Much of that Article relates to the method for choosing the President and sets forth the general executive powers of his office, such as the appointment and veto powers.

The only substantive function of government specifically assigned to the President relates to national security and foreign policy, and the first such responsibility granted him is authority to command the military; he is the “Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States.”
National defense is the only mandatory function of the national government.

Constitution does require the federal government to protect the nation. Article Four, Section Four states that the “United States shall guarantee to every State a republican form of government and shall protect each of them against invasion.” In other words, even if the federal government chose to exercise no other power, it must, under the Constitution, provide for the common defense.

All the others -— healthcare, welfare, education, energy, job training, etc. should really be left to the states.

Here’s what the 10th amendment says:

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

If we had strictly followed the constitution, wthis country would not be in the financial mess it is in today.


38 posted on 02/25/2014 8:23:06 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: grumpygresh

Our Federal government doesn’t follow the constitution with respect to individual rights; it is a rogue and treasonous. Should we give this regime any more power via the military?
What should really happen is we should throw out the usurpers, ie the regime.


39 posted on 02/25/2014 8:34:26 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: Temujinshordes
"An observer of US history will note that the tragic consequences of such unpreparedness is that the time lag required to bring the armed forces up to a fighting posture....."

My initial thought exactly. However will future wars be fought in the manner of WW2? Have technology and tactics made standing armies obsolete? Are drones, robots, and game joystick masters the future mainstays of our military?

40 posted on 02/25/2014 8:37:36 AM PST by buckalfa (Tilting at Windmills)
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To: SeekAndFind
One can't water the tree of liberty if it has been killed, dug up and burned in the forge of progressive transformation.

We had a song about the day the music died, but progressives (demonrats and rinos) will sing their song with Pride for the day the Constitution died.

It is but a memory, not even an inconvenience now, to those sworn to uphold it.

Reagan was right about that generational window, which, since he left office, has been broken out, boarded up and now is covered with marxist graffiti.

41 posted on 02/25/2014 9:11:18 AM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: buckalfa

The powers that be have thought that way before. After WWII and with the advent of nuclear weapons, boots on the ground were to be an antiquated ancient means of warfare. Then came Korea and Task Force Smith. Mutual Assured Destruction not withstanding, we have bled on the ground in numerous places anyway. The reason we now have young sergeants with 10 - 12 deployments was the Clinton reduction of the Army from a 16 to a 10 division force, his “peace dividend”, which necessitated more frequent tours. So we have increased rates of PTSD, suicide, and divorce for soldiers due to the stresses of back to back combat tours.

If one did not mind kicking over a few rice bowls to get there, completely restructuring the Armed Forces to look more like the USMC would provide huge cost savings. An organization where each deployable unit has its own air support, fire support, air and sea transportation assets, and a sustainable ground force. Get pilots out of aircraft, so the aircraft cost less. Eliminate the roles and missions arguments over rotary wing versus fixed wing aircraft and buy the most suitable aircraft for the job without it necessarily being one of two shades of blue or green. (Watch the reaction I get to this post).

Given the recognition of the realities of today’s politics, I can just pray the future price our young must pay in blood for Hagel’s plans can be minimized.


42 posted on 02/25/2014 9:40:23 AM PST by Temujinshordes
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To: SeekAndFind

Once cannot be serious about cutting bloated, unnecessary spending while ignoring the Pentagon.


43 posted on 02/25/2014 1:29:50 PM PST by gdani
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To: gdani

Correction = “one” not “once”


44 posted on 02/25/2014 1:30:16 PM PST by gdani
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To: grumpygresh
Impeachment is the answer. Too bad the gutless wonders in congress won't do their jobs.
45 posted on 02/26/2014 6:40:25 AM PST by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: Temujinshordes

Appreciate your insight.


46 posted on 02/26/2014 7:37:56 AM PST by buckalfa (Tilting at Windmills)
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