Skip to comments.Russia: We won’t intervene in Ukraine
Posted on 02/25/2014 6:59:58 AM PST by SeekAndFind
That’s the good news. The (potential) bad news? They want a return to the status quo ante, at least in part, before holding any more elections — and they want the West to stay out of Ukraine in any sense:
Moscow pledged Tuesday it would not intervene in the crisis in neighbouring Ukraine but said the country should not be forced to choose between Russia and the West.
“We confirmed our principled position of non-intervention in Ukraine’s internal affairs and expect that everyone follows similar logic,” Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said.
“We are interested in Ukraine being part of the European family, in all senses of the word,” he said after talks with Luxembourg counterpart Jean Asselborn.
But he added: “We agree that… it is dangerous and counterproductive to force Ukraine into a choice — either you are with us or against us.”
That is a bit of a false choice anyway. There are very few voices calling for an all-or-nothing orientation toward the West, even in western Ukraine. The foreign minister of France, Laurent Fabius, denied that the EU was asking for any such arrangement. On the other hand, Viktor Yanukovich stiffed the EU in favor of an economic bias almost totally in favor of Moscow despite deep unpopularity with such reliance on their former Soviet masters in much of the country.
Perhaps this, then, is a fallback position for Moscow, and a realization that Yanukovich isn’t likely to be welcomed back to power in Ukraine. The relatively strong response from the West — including the rapid deployment of a high-ranking State Department official to Kyiv — must have caught Moscow off-guard. The statement from Lavrov notably omits any reference to the deposed president, and instead demands a return to order from the new authorities, after watching the statue of a Russian Empire field marshal get knocked down like those of Lenin:
The foreign ministry also Tuesday lashed out at the toppling of a statue of Russian field marshal Mikhail Kutuzov in the western city of Lviv, calling it a “barbaric and Russophobic action.”
“We demand that the new Ukrainian authorities stop this lawlessness,” it said.
Who are the new Ukrainian authorities? Right now, it’s still not clear. The Ukrainian parliament delayed the formation of a new government for another couple of days, despite the EU’s insistence on having a government in place before assistance on debt can be transmitted:
Ukraines interim authorities balked at forming a new government Tuesday as horse-trading among parties in parliament continued, despite pleas from the European Union to quickly pave the way for an emergency aid package.
Activists on the Maidan, the protest epicenter formally known as Independence Square, expressed dissatisfaction with the roster of familiar faces that the parliament has been considering for top posts following the ouster of President Viktor Yanukovych over the weekend.
We need totally new people, said Yaroslav Kazmyrchuk, 70, who described himself as a pensioner and a revolutionary. He said the protest on the Maidan where a large crowd gathered Tuesday morning would continue until it was clear that all the bandits would be removed from power. …
A Maidan council has been established by a group of prominent activists to consult on ministerial choices. According to a statement it posted, We will check each candidate to be proposed by the new parliamentary majority to be sure that no one who is rich, or who worked for Yanukovych, or was involved in human rights abuses, is selected.
Each member of the new government must secure the Maidans approval, the statement said.
That may be a noble concept, but it also may end up paralyzing the parliament on putting Ukraine back on its feet. All sides will have to find ways to compromise enough to make government work, or the state could collapse. At that point, Russia may have its pretext to intervene, at least to secure the Crimean peninsula and its primarily ethnic-Russian population. Reform can’t happen overnight, and the Maidan has a narrow window in which to demonstrate that it can govern as well as lead.
aside from slipping some more Polonium in somebody’s tea
....that’s OK..Putin b*itch boy could give a s***
Can Russia be trusted? The only way to ensure Ukraine’s security is to kick their naval base from Sevastopol and have NATO troops stationed along the border with Russia.
Can we expect Barack Obama, King Of The Entire Known World, to say the same?
>>Can Russia be trusted? The only way to ensure Ukraines security is to kick their naval base from Sevastopol and have NATO troops stationed along the border with Russia<<
Yep, a very productive idea. Putie may act as friendly and deport his Chechens to the north of Mexico, just to make US authorities a bit busy.
Did they also include “I will respect you in the morning” and “the check is in the mail” with their official statement?
We can use American troops for this under European NATO commanders, and save some money doing it. The Americans work cheaper now, thanks to Obama and Hagel.
foster, brown....etc etc
After their own heavy-handed tactics failed, Russia now feels that everyone should just back away from the table.
My guess is that this was due to a combination of (1) EU threats of economic sanctions including an embargo on Russian imports and (2) the realization that a protracted war with Ukraine will result in casualties far higher than in Afghanistan, with the associated negative political consequences for Putin.
Chechens in Mexico is actually a good idea. First, they will consolidate anarchic drug trade, and second, our braindead liberals might wake up to the open border dangers.
Nationality shouldn’t matter, but if you volunteer... I can assure you that sane locals wouldn’t mind.
That is a bit of a false choice anyway. There are very few voices calling for an all-or-nothing orientation toward the West, even in western Ukraine. The foreign minister of France, Laurent Fabius, denied that the EU was asking for any such arrangement.
Have a look at the all-encompassing EU-Ukraine Association treaty. This "trade" treaty contains chapters on politics, foreign and security policy (which among other things contain items on military technological cooperation between EU and Ukraine, higher convergence between Ukraine and the EU in the field of foreign and security policy etc), and energy policy.
Check it out, and Mr Morrissey, if You trust the word of a French enarque I have a tower in Paris to sell you.
Also, when analyzing the run up to this conflict one must understand that Ukraine is not only divided along language borders but also in economical terms. Apart from the area around Kiev (the old spelling I'm used to), the richest areas are (surprisingly) in the east of the country. There you find most of the mining industry but also production industry and a relatively lively trade with neighbouring Russia. A "trade" deal with the EU would have caused problems with the border trade with Russia, and of course exposed the national industry to competition from EU producers. The western part of Ukraine is the agrarian part that (before they understand what CAP is) sees the EU as a wonderful market for its produce.
In other words,just as there were large conflicting economical interests between the northern and southern states of the US in the 1850's and 60's (not just the slave issue)there are real conflicting interests between the east and the west of Ukraine. Sure, language, culture, religion history all play large roles but one must not forget the economic issues. They are important.
The Crimea, on the other hand...
True, but it does, especially to you.
Liberals can’t understand the danger of moslem terrorism. Liberals can’t understand that they live safely under the umbrella of Christain Civilization. It is too hideous for a liberal to admit that civilization is derived from the peace of Christ. There is no moslem civilization - only slavery and chaos for their own sake.
Each member of the new government must secure the Maidans approval,
Amazing that people still act like this is some freedom based movement. A mob on Maidan square, gets final approval over everything. This one riot mob apparently speaks for the whole population. How does that represent freedom?
I think the mob will soon show more of their true colors as a singularly nasty people.
Will you and your family members volunteer for the world war that generates?
Right, that made my evening....better hit the liquor cabinet...
World War? Why? You think NATO troops at the border are not intimidating enough?
Yes, I tend to profile. Wouldn’t you, after centuries of oppression, be a little suspicious of your oppressors?
I certainly would, ...by identifying ALL of them, including the ones who have changed their stripes.
If we have a world war then it won’t matter whether anyone wants to volunteer or not. We will have no choice.
Putin is smart enough to know when he’s been beat. He doesn’t want to end up like his comrade Yanukovich. Putin didn’t invade Ukraine in 2004 the last time Yanukovich was overthrown and he’s not going to invade now either.
I rather be pleasantly surprised than otherwise: if a suspect turns out to be a decent person - my mistake and accept sincerest apologies. Dealing with wolves, a certain diligence is due, although there is a remote chance that the particular one you just met is a vegan :)
As would I, but I always keep in mind that all the players can change their stripes, not just the "suspects".