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3 GOP lawmakers reverse support of Arizona bill criticized as anti-gay
Los Angeles Times ^ | February 24, 2014, 8:28 p.m. | Cindy Carcamo

Posted on 02/25/2014 9:18:45 AM PST by Olog-hai

Three Republicans who supported a bill bolstering the rights of business owners to refuse service to gays and others on the basis of religion reversed course Monday and asked the governor to veto the controversial measure.

Republican state Sens. Adam Driggs, Steve Pierce and Bob Worsley wrote a letter to Gov. Jan Brewer pleading for her to reject SB 1062. The measure is intended to support business owners who refuse service to gays and others because they believe serving them violates the practice and observance of their religion. …

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: adamdriggs; bobworsley; homosexualagenda; stevepierce
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1 posted on 02/25/2014 9:18:45 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Cowards!!!!


2 posted on 02/25/2014 9:19:31 AM PST by DLfromthedesert (She accomplished nothing: should have stayed at home and baked cookies)
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To: Olog-hai

Weak kneed RINOs. Can’t see that when Christian businesses are under attack the next attack will be on the churches and I’m not saying it will be only on the Christian ones.


3 posted on 02/25/2014 9:22:09 AM PST by sr4402
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To: Olog-hai

The Gaystapo can be exceedingly ugly. Worse than the Mafia.


4 posted on 02/25/2014 9:22:32 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Olog-hai

Somebody needs to find out who the Grand Kleagle of the klan is and when his birthday is.

Next go out and find a black owned bakery.......

It just isn’t fair that a muslim deli should deny me a ham sandwich.


5 posted on 02/25/2014 9:23:24 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Olog-hai

The implied converse of this law is that the Gaystapo CAN force businesses to violate their religious beliefs.

This fact needs to be hammered home.


6 posted on 02/25/2014 9:23:29 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: DLfromthedesert

“wrote a letter to Gov. Jan Brewer pleading for her to reject SB 1062.”

You do NOT BEG you effing’ limp wrist RINOS.


7 posted on 02/25/2014 9:24:27 AM PST by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Olog-hai

What was the vote count? Were these three votes crucial for passage? Because it could influence the governor there.


8 posted on 02/25/2014 9:26:12 AM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: Olog-hai

Corporatist bullying that overwhelmed the Boy Scouts seems to be in play here.


9 posted on 02/25/2014 9:26:41 AM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Olog-hai
Republican state Sens. Adam Driggs, Steve Pierce and Bob Worsley ....

WHY did they vote for the bill? Pathetic. What caused them to suddenly HATE religious freedom?

10 posted on 02/25/2014 9:27:30 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Olog-hai; All


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11 posted on 02/25/2014 9:28:38 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Olog-hai
Three Republicans who supported a bill bolstering the rights of business owners to refuse service to gays and others on the basis of religion reversed course Monday and asked the governor to veto the controversial measure.

Whatever is wrong with a business being able to decide whether or not they want to serve you? Do these Republicans support smaller government and fewer regulations and more freedom?

Why do they not, instead, support gay businesses for gay people? Let the marketplace decide.

12 posted on 02/25/2014 9:28:47 AM PST by olezip (Time obliterates the fictions of opinion and confirms the decisions of nature. ~ Cicero)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Queers stop asking them to parties.


13 posted on 02/25/2014 9:28:48 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Olog-hai
support business owners who refuse service to gays and others because they believe serving them violates the practice and observance of their religion.

It is annoying how the media misleads. The law does not allow people to refuse to serve "gays" and "others". It allows people to refuse to participate in ACTIVITIES which the people feel violate their religion.

The law would not allow a baker to refuse to sell a loaf of bread to a gay person, or a black person, or a woman, or a muslim.

It would allow a baker to refuse to provide a wedding cake for a wedding they objected to.

We need more laws like this. It is time people had the right for example to rent out a room in their house and discriminate against unmarried couples. I should not have to offer a rental to a couple I know is going to commit a sin (thereby helping them actively commit sin) -- in many states the only way you avoid this is by giving up the opportunity to rent at all.

If religious tolerance was easy, we would not need laws.

14 posted on 02/25/2014 9:29:18 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Olog-hai

It doesn’t matter if this Bill is signed into law. Two days later a Judge would declare it unconstitutional and strike it down. After that, the State would have to appeal the ruling and the long legal march would go on until everyone just gives up on it.


15 posted on 02/25/2014 9:31:15 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: Olog-hai; All

As evidenced by Sen. McCain, Arizona’s left hand doesn’t know what its right hand is doing.


16 posted on 02/25/2014 9:31:29 AM PST by Amendment10
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To: Olog-hai

Most interesting is that this was exactly why Barry Goldwater opposed the second version of the civil rights act.


17 posted on 02/25/2014 9:32:13 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

They voted for a bill upholding religious freedom because they hate religious freedom? That doesn’t make sense.


18 posted on 02/25/2014 9:34:22 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Amendment10

That was construed in the sense of performing righteous acts. More like we don’t know which hand is right or left until it’s shown by the politicians.


19 posted on 02/25/2014 9:34:33 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I would never refuse service to homosexuals in a business.
Ex. If I was a baker and one came in and wanted to buy a pie and some cookies. No problem. Welcome to buy as many as they want. If a homosexual came in and wanted me to participate or validate his/her perversion by baking and delivering a cake to a homosexual wedding I would refuse. They could sue, they could close my business. I would NEVER be a participant in validating their perversion....


20 posted on 02/25/2014 9:35:10 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
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To: Olog-hai

Spineless turncoats. They’ll get what’s coming to them.


21 posted on 02/25/2014 9:36:17 AM PST by Politicalkiddo (Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it. -M. Twain)
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To: Olog-hai
"Republican state Sens. Adam Driggs, Steve Pierce and Bob Worsley….."

Of course these coward are State "Senators," were they "State Representatives," they wouldn't dare!

Just like our U.S. Senators, feel removed from their voters when they only have to face those whose votes they count on, every 6 years!

22 posted on 02/25/2014 9:37:49 AM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: Olog-hai
The real message:

"The hell with the religious beliefs of Christians!!
It's more important to pander for the homo vote."


23 posted on 02/25/2014 9:37:57 AM PST by Iron Munro (Eight died on that bridge at Concord, back in 1775. How many will it take this time?)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

That’s exactly what this bill is about.


24 posted on 02/25/2014 9:40:27 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Covardes!!

Temerosos!!

May they reap what they sow.


25 posted on 02/25/2014 9:44:13 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

I feel the same way.

As far as I’m concerned a business should be allowed to refuse service to anyone for any reason. It doesn’t mean that I would refuse service to blacks but if someone did it presents an opportunity for someone else to open a blacks only restaurant and another businessman to open an everyone welcome restaurant.

There are plenty of blacks only businesses in Detroit and it doesn’t bother me a bit.


26 posted on 02/25/2014 9:46:12 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Olog-hai

WWJD? Would he condemn them and refuse them service? Or would he correct them and serve them?


27 posted on 02/25/2014 9:54:56 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: fwdude

They’re worse than the mob.


28 posted on 02/25/2014 9:56:02 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: zerosix

Wrong! Both houses in AZ are voted every 2 years.


29 posted on 02/25/2014 9:58:03 AM PST by DLfromthedesert (She accomplished nothing: should have stayed at home and baked cookies)
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To: Olog-hai

Why does there need to be a law in the first place? These businesses should be able to decide who they serve or not serve period.


30 posted on 02/25/2014 10:00:52 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

http://www.redstate.com/2014/02/21/yes-jesus-would-bake-a-cake-for-a-gay-person/
They didn’t refuse to do business; they refused to participate in same sex marriage


31 posted on 02/25/2014 10:01:05 AM PST by DLfromthedesert (She accomplished nothing: should have stayed at home and baked cookies)
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To: Olog-hai
RE :”Republican state Sens. Adam Driggs, Steve Pierce and Bob Worsley wrote a letter to Gov. Jan Brewer pleading for her to reject SB 1062. The measure is intended to support business owners who refuse service to gays and others because they believe serving them violates the practice and observance of their religion.”

Yet AZ has no law against discrimination based of sexual preference on orientation, so this bill above is symbolic anyway.

Which makes me wonder what the point is if it is vetoed.

Another gay victory?

32 posted on 02/25/2014 10:05:48 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor ')
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To: Olog-hai

Dumb law for the wrong reason.


33 posted on 02/25/2014 10:21:07 AM PST by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

What did Jesus do to the people in the temple in Jerusalem on the Sabbath . . . ?


34 posted on 02/25/2014 10:30:05 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: AmusedBystander

What was the “wrong reason”?

The Gaystapo ought to be free to practice “lawfare” on whomever they please?


35 posted on 02/25/2014 10:34:04 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Unless these businesses are a church, then they are not selling “religion”. Not serving some of the public for a product which you sell regularly under state licensing is wrong.


36 posted on 02/25/2014 10:40:19 AM PST by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: AmusedBystander

So you support the Gaystapo then.


37 posted on 02/25/2014 10:46:33 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: DLfromthedesert
Ah then. These Senators must surely either live in completely liberal districts or have been contacted by either big donors or by potential "big donors" as this always comes down to the bottom line!

Homosexual activists have been busy since the 1990s from educating our children to despise "intolerance" and are now voting adults, seeming to believe that to adhere to God's laws is somehow "intolerant," plus many religious denominations have now determined homosexuality is not only no longer a sin, but not to embrace them and their activities is "Christian."

Many, if not most of those denominations are simply sliding in to irrelevance and their memberships have disappeared, left only with gray haired women and gays.

38 posted on 02/25/2014 10:56:17 AM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: DLfromthedesert

Thanks.


39 posted on 02/25/2014 10:58:10 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Olog-hai

AI don’t think that driving the money changers from the Temple quite applies here.


40 posted on 02/25/2014 10:58:48 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

How about his criticism of Pharisees and Sadducees?


41 posted on 02/25/2014 11:05:26 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

No, but in this they are right. Otherwise, where does it end? You get that business license and you are subject to the rules.


42 posted on 02/25/2014 11:07:46 AM PST by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: Olog-hai

Criticism of the Pharisees and Sadducees had more to do with pointing out the corruption of religious and government figures.


43 posted on 02/25/2014 11:09:24 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: BykrBayb

I meant they hate religious freedom NOW, since they are asking Brewer to veto the bill.


44 posted on 02/25/2014 11:10:22 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: AmusedBystander

There’s a defined end in the law.

And a church is its members.

Merely saying “you get the business license and you’re subject to the rules” is a justification of any type of market, even communism.


45 posted on 02/25/2014 11:11:03 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Next if you don’t vote for a gay person, that’s discrimination.


46 posted on 02/25/2014 11:16:48 AM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: Olog-hai

godless weenies


47 posted on 02/25/2014 11:41:48 AM PST by SisterK (behold a pale horse)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

I understand and agree with your position as it applies to NON-emergency businesses like catering services, restaurants, retail stores, gas stations, banks, etc. However, would 1062 apply also to emergency service providers, such as paramedics at the scene of a major accident or a doctor in a hospital emergency ward? Would the paramedic/doctor be protected by 1062 to refuse to provide essential medical services to someone with life-threatening injuries if he or she believes the person is gay?


48 posted on 02/25/2014 12:46:48 PM PST by SJC
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To: AmusedBystander
There HAS to be SOME recourse for a religious person who is being asked specifically to violate their beliefs.

No, were not talking about going into a halal butcher and demanding they sell you some ham.

They simply wouldn't have that product in stock, and I hope you'd agree that they shouldn't be FORCED to. Notice, though that pharmacies HAVE been forced to stock abortofacients.

Nor is it the case of a baker refusing to sell cakes to a gay person, or gay couple.

However if said couple (or anyone) came in and requested say a penis-shaped cake for a bachelorette party, would that be considered "discrimination" if the baker refuses to make it on religious grounds?

After all, it's a bakery, and they have the equipment to make such a cake.

Sure the people wanting the penis cake COULD go to the erotic bakery, but they want to FORCE the religious cake maker to obey.

Do you not see the difference?

49 posted on 02/25/2014 1:28:04 PM PST by boop (I just wanted a President. But I got a rock.)
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To: boop
However if said couple (or anyone) came in and requested say a penis-shaped cake for a bachelorette party, would that be considered "discrimination" if the baker refuses to make it on religious grounds?

Not quite the same thing unless penis shaped cakes are in your inventory. Like I said earlier, it's a dumb law and will accomplish nothing except to cause more trouble. If a "religious" person limits their wares to acceptable products and they are sold in the normal course of their business how are they violating their conscience? God will judge everything ultimately.

50 posted on 02/25/2014 2:29:08 PM PST by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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