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Court Rules Off-The-Grid Living Is Illegal [Florida]
Off the Grid News pasted onto Grist blog ^ | February 22, 2014 | by: Daniel Jennings Off the Grid News copied by Sarah Laskow

Posted on 02/25/2014 7:08:57 PM PST by PaulCruz2016

Near the end of 2013, a Florida official decided Robin Speronis was doing something too strange to tolerate: She was trying to live off the grid.

Off the Grid News reports:

Speronis has been fighting the city of Cape Coral since November when a code enforcement officer tried to evict her from her home for living without utilities. The city contends that Speronis violated the International Property Maintenance Code by relying on rain water instead of the city water system and solar panels instead of the electric grid.

And now, a judge has ruled that living independently of the city’s water supply is illegal. “She must hook up to the water system, although officials acknowledge she does not have to use it,” says Off the Grid News.

It’s not really clear why it’s illegal to live off rainwater — it just is. The law doesn’t understand, essentially, how it would even be possible to live without city-provided water. The fact that water regularly comes out of the sky is apparently not compelling.


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: florida; judge; water
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1 posted on 02/25/2014 7:08:58 PM PST by PaulCruz2016
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To: PaulCruz2016

Apparently we’ve signed a Declaration of You-Can’t-Live-Without-Government.


2 posted on 02/25/2014 7:11:18 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: PaulCruz2016

Not all that strange...here in PA if public sewer or water lines come within a specified distance of a structure you must connect. You may continue to maintain a well but only for non-domestic use (car washing, garden, etc).


3 posted on 02/25/2014 7:13:09 PM PST by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Did she ‘unhook’ or not hook up in the first place?


4 posted on 02/25/2014 7:13:32 PM PST by posterchild
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To: ClearCase_guy

Anything that is not specifically prohibited, is mandatory.


5 posted on 02/25/2014 7:13:44 PM PST by Hegemony Cricket (The emperor < still > has no pedigree.)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Is she connected to the city sewer system? If so, she needs to be connected to the water system as well.


6 posted on 02/25/2014 7:14:01 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: PaulCruz2016

When I was a kid, we called this TYRANNY.


7 posted on 02/25/2014 7:14:35 PM PST by eyeamok
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To: ClearCase_guy

Who really trust the water supply anymore?No one!Nothing like a monopoly on water via government!


8 posted on 02/25/2014 7:14:45 PM PST by plainshame
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To: PaulCruz2016

And the government will medicate the water, for your own good.


9 posted on 02/25/2014 7:16:29 PM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: smokingfrog

She can always go to city hall to do her business like most people should be doing.


10 posted on 02/25/2014 7:16:48 PM PST by plainshame
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To: lightman

And how do y’all ‘splain the “Freedom of Choice” that our Founding Fathers gave us?


11 posted on 02/25/2014 7:18:18 PM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: PaulCruz2016

government has an inherent desire to try to monopolize


12 posted on 02/25/2014 7:18:35 PM PST by faithhopecharity (" uri)
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To: PaulCruz2016

“The city contends that Speronis violated the International Property Maintenance Code”

I had no idea such a thing existed, but it does indeed. Here’s the section of the code she seems to be violating:

http://publicecodes.cyberregs.com/icod/ipmc/2012/icod_ipmc_2012_5_sec005.htm

The organization who creates the code is the ICC or International Code Council:

http://www.iccsafe.org/AboutICC/Pages/default.aspx

Just for the general FYI.


13 posted on 02/25/2014 7:19:07 PM PST by DemforBush (A Repo Man is *always* intense.)
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To: PaulCruz2016
Government only believes in "sustainability" when it is impossible.

When it is not impossible, they want it outlawed.

14 posted on 02/25/2014 7:19:43 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: PaulCruz2016

In other words you are forced to use water from government no matter how dangerous it is.


15 posted on 02/25/2014 7:20:15 PM PST by plainshame
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To: PaulCruz2016

Plumbers enabled civilization by bringing clean water to where the people live, and removing the waste water from where they live, it enabled people to live together.

When arguing this, modern Americans should know that water and sewage are not to be taken lightly, when people live in a city.


16 posted on 02/25/2014 7:20:26 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: DemforBush
Straight out of UN Agenda 21.

They have an entire volume of cut-and-paste legislation for localities to implement.

17 posted on 02/25/2014 7:21:45 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: PaulCruz2016

It’s all about the Tap Fee. Even if she uses 0.0 gallons the will still charge her for being “active”

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


18 posted on 02/25/2014 7:21:47 PM PST by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: PaulCruz2016

The judges brain has been unhooked by government insanity!


19 posted on 02/25/2014 7:22:32 PM PST by plainshame
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To: plainshame

Your don’t have to use it, you just have to be hooked up to it ... and pay a monthly fee of course (that is the point, the monthly fee).


20 posted on 02/25/2014 7:23:58 PM PST by doc1019
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To: lightman

In the little town near me BP put in a city water system as part of a settlement over a gasoline leak some years ago. Once the deal was done the people found that part of the agreement was that the wells would have to be destroyed rather than capped.

One family has refused to destroy their well. They are hooked up to the city water but say they don’t want to use it for things like watering grass, washing dishes or clothes etc. Basically a deal was made that all the families would be using a certain amount of water and this one family is trying to keep their costs down so the city is suing them and trying to force them to destroy the well.


21 posted on 02/25/2014 7:24:22 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: smokingfrog

“Is she connected to the city sewer system? If so, she needs to be connected to the water system as well.”

Why is that? I don’t see the logic here. I’ve been in houses with a well and septic system, a well and city sewer, and a house with city water and a septic system.


22 posted on 02/25/2014 7:25:48 PM PST by DBrow
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To: ansel12

But it should be the citizens choice, IMHO. Just say’n


23 posted on 02/25/2014 7:26:12 PM PST by doc1019
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To: PaulCruz2016

Good thing she didn’t try to quit the post office...


24 posted on 02/25/2014 7:27:03 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: doc1019

All they care about is the fee so get hooked up.LOL!


25 posted on 02/25/2014 7:32:32 PM PST by plainshame
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To: doc1019

At least we have a well and don’t use city garbage.


26 posted on 02/25/2014 7:35:11 PM PST by plainshame
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To: doc1019

That depends on how widespread it became, a city could be dealing with mass epidemics also, public schools with thousands of pupils could see problems from desease.

What I read earlier was about the city finally capping off her sewer, one person is a rebel, and most of us here, and myself, could pull all this off, but it isn’t hard to see what would happen if this became a money saving trend in poor parts of Detroit, for instance.

My point, is that I would like to see some serious discussion on this, not just the first reaction that most of us have.

Water and sewage are just about the most serious things in our city lives, whether we know it or not.


27 posted on 02/25/2014 7:37:18 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: doc1019

What do they plan to do with people who have leach fields and well water systems like my family has?Force you to pay for city water systems?No way!They tried but the town said NO WAY!


28 posted on 02/25/2014 7:41:59 PM PST by plainshame
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To: DBrow
From the article:

It’s not really clear why it’s illegal to live off rainwater — it just is. The law doesn’t understand, essentially, how it would even be possible to live without city-provided water. The fact that water regularly comes out of the sky is apparently not compelling.

"If the law supposes that then the law is a ass, a idiot!" Mr. Bumble

29 posted on 02/25/2014 7:46:05 PM PST by stormhill
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To: DBrow

In most cases your “water bill” also includes the fact that the city is treating your sewage as well. I suppose she could flush her toilets with buckets of rain water, but rainfall is not always reliable. If she has some kind of composting toilet or her own septic system, then I would say she doesn’t need to be connected to the city’s water.


30 posted on 02/25/2014 7:46:25 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Kartographer

PING!

You might want to see this


31 posted on 02/25/2014 7:49:12 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hox-ni8geIw


32 posted on 02/25/2014 7:49:19 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: lightman

It’s 500 feet here.


33 posted on 02/25/2014 7:49:53 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: PaulCruz2016

If they can mandate you buy health insurance they can mandate you buy anything at all.


34 posted on 02/25/2014 7:49:59 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: PaulCruz2016
International Property Maintenance Code

Fhat the Wuck?

35 posted on 02/25/2014 7:54:15 PM PST by Tupelo (I am feeling more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Sewage is the issue, and for good reason.


36 posted on 02/25/2014 7:56:00 PM PST by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: plainshame
No....the government supplies potable water. It is continuously tested.

When we had a terrorist scare about our water supply in the mid 80's, my boss was taking his "fish in a bag" to all the towers and reservoirs until we could get better security in place.

37 posted on 02/25/2014 7:56:26 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: smokingfrog

;-)


38 posted on 02/25/2014 7:58:32 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: PaulCruz2016
RE :”And now, a judge has ruled that living independently of the city’s water supply is illegal. “She must hook up to the water system, although officials acknowledge she does not have to use it,” says Off the Grid News”

Not sure what this means.

39 posted on 02/25/2014 7:58:51 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor ')
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>> “Not sure what this means.” <<

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It means that judges should have their mouths sewed shut!
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40 posted on 02/25/2014 8:00:26 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: cripplecreek
A contractor already had put in 5 wells when the health department discovered that an old dump adjacent to the new development was leaching lead and other chems into the groundwater of the subdivision.

The developer had to extend the main more than half a mile to get to the site.

The wells were filled with concrete making them totally unusable.

41 posted on 02/25/2014 8:00:53 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: PaulCruz2016

I think she should be allowed to do what she wants unless there is a health problem.

I live in the country and have my own deep well and septic tank. They both have always worked perfectly but I would hookup to city water and sewer lines in an instant if I could.


42 posted on 02/25/2014 8:01:46 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Satire?


43 posted on 02/25/2014 8:02:23 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: lightman

“here in PA if public sewer or water lines come within a specified distance of a structure you must connect. “

Yep, they tried that crap here and we told them to go to hell.


44 posted on 02/25/2014 8:02:49 PM PST by G Larry
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To: Sacajaweau

Not where we live in NC.


45 posted on 02/25/2014 8:12:01 PM PST by plainshame
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To: ansel12

‘When arguing this, modern Americans should know that water and sewage are not to be taken lightly, when people live in a city.’

I got a well and septic, and I live in a city. So, your opinion doesn’t mean squat. It’s also ignorant.


46 posted on 02/25/2014 8:13:08 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: smokingfrog

There is not enough information in the article to know.


47 posted on 02/25/2014 8:15:24 PM PST by DBrow
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To: ansel12
In the early years, disease from sewage and poor water was so terrible. There were cholera and typhoid epidemics.

I have been working in a pioneer cemetery. The first three burials c 1823 were children....all from the same family. I know they lived near a mill site.

As cities grew, these problems grew...and we began to try to control the sewage and provide potable water.

Be thankful for these resources.

48 posted on 02/25/2014 8:16:17 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: PaulCruz2016

Here’s Ms Speronis’ blog.

http://www.offthegridstory.com/

Very interesting.


49 posted on 02/25/2014 8:19:41 PM PST by upchuck (South Carolina Representative Trey Gowdy for Speaker of the House!!!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

bttt


50 posted on 02/25/2014 8:23:55 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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