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Ukraine Names Baptist Pastor as Acting President
Christianity Today ^ | posted 2/24/2014 | Timothy C. Morgan

Posted on 02/25/2014 9:04:21 PM PST by boxlunch

Oleksandr Turchynov, a well-known Baptist pastor and top opposition politician in Ukraine, took office on Sunday, Feb. 23, as acting president after the Parliament voted to oust President Yanukovych.... ...... Monday night in Kiev, Turchynov, 49, spoke publicly for the first time since taking office as acting president. According to an unofficial translation, he said, "Unprecedented cruelty and brutality of the dictatorial regime did not stop citizens. They selflessly gave their lives to defend their rights—and won....

"Our first task today is to stop the confrontation, to regain control … to ensure peace and tranquility, to prevent new victims, local rivalries and lynchings. Another priority is returning to European integration. We must return to the European family. We recognize the importance of relations with the Russian Federation, and are ready for dialogue with the Russian leadership to build relations with this country on a new, truly equitable and good-neighborly basis, which implies recognition of accounting Ukraine's European choice."... ....

The choice of a Baptist pastor as acting president in Ukraine, which has had an Orthodox majority population for centuries, does not come as a huge surprise to Sergey Rakhuba, head of U.S.-based Russian Ministries. For years, he has been in periodic contact with Turchynov....

"He is well-known in political circles as a principled, honest leader, although he was somehow always in the shadow of Yulia Tymoshenko, the jailed prime minister who was released yesterday.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: baptist; baptistpastor; christians; communist; communistpastor; oleksandrturchynov; pastor; turchynov; ukraine; ukrainecrisis
The choice of a Baptist pastor as acting president in Ukraine, which has had an Orthodox majority population for centuries, does not come as a huge surprise to Sergey Rakhuba, head of U.S.-based Russian Ministries. For years, he has been in periodic contact with Turchynov.

"He is well-known in political circles as a principled, honest leader, although he was somehow always in the shadow of Yulia Tymoshenko, the jailed prime minister who was released yesterday.

Great developments in Ukraine!

1 posted on 02/25/2014 9:04:21 PM PST by boxlunch
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To: boxlunch

Awesome! Too bad America will never again follow suit.


2 posted on 02/25/2014 9:05:15 PM PST by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: boxlunch

Bump


3 posted on 02/25/2014 9:06:02 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: boxlunch; Paleo Conservative; GeronL; Jim Robinson; 1rudeboy; ponygirl; mac_truck; RedMDer; _Fed; ..

Ping! Thought you all might be interested in the latest developments in Ukraine!


4 posted on 02/25/2014 9:07:37 PM PST by boxlunch (Psalm 2)
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To: boxlunch

And what will he say if the European Union makes ‘gay rights’ a condition of integration?


5 posted on 02/25/2014 9:11:30 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: boxlunch

As a Baptist I speak from the heart ... there are Baptist and then there are baptist. I hope he is a born again Baptist, washed in the blood of Jesus and true to his calling. If so the Ukraine has a chance.


6 posted on 02/25/2014 9:12:35 PM PST by doc1019
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To: JSDude1
Awesome! Too bad America will never again follow suit.

Cruz/Palin 2016

7 posted on 02/25/2014 9:14:32 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: boxlunch

Very interesting. Thanks! Pray they make it work.


8 posted on 02/25/2014 9:14:57 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: doc1019

Yes, you are correct. I, too, hope he is a true, committed Christian believer. He does have a reputation for honesty and integrity.


9 posted on 02/25/2014 9:15:10 PM PST by boxlunch (Psalm 2)
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To: boxlunch

That’s definitely a thumb in the eye of Putin. Russia is trying to outlaw non-Orthdox Chritian denominations.


10 posted on 02/25/2014 9:15:35 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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To: Viennacon

I don’t know, but they’ve certainly shown a lot of courage in the past months. Much more than our politicians and leadership here. They might amaze all of us! I pray so. I honestly don’t know if they actually seek to be part of the EU, or just have ties to it without being a member nation. I hope they feel strong enough to try to stand on their own.
They’ve certainly shown a lot of strength in the last 6 months.


11 posted on 02/25/2014 9:22:12 PM PST by boxlunch (Psalm 2)
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To: boxlunch

They booted the commie for a Baptist. Leftists will be unhappy


12 posted on 02/25/2014 9:36:41 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: boxlunch

This so-called “pastor” was the head of ideological department of the Young Communists Union in Dnepropetrovsk back in 1988-90. Nice choice for president of a democratic country....


13 posted on 02/25/2014 9:39:14 PM PST by Altenkrug
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To: boxlunch

Bump! Thanks for the ping!


14 posted on 02/25/2014 9:44:26 PM PST by FBD
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To: doc1019

Ukrainian Baptists are known to be very evangelistic. Ukraine sends many missionaries to Russia to evangelize the Russian people. There are many Christian schools within Ukraine. I have met a few of these young missionaries within Russia and I was impressed with their commitment to Jesus Christ.


15 posted on 02/25/2014 9:45:36 PM PST by rawhide
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To: P-Marlowe

I plan on being in DC on May 16th.

May we have the “Great American Awakening” Again in 2014.

Again stand in the face of evil and deny them control.

God Bless the U.S. and all freedom lovers worldwide.


16 posted on 02/25/2014 9:46:37 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: doc1019
"although he was somehow always in the shadow of Yulia Tymoshenko"

This sentence worries me. I pray that he was near her to teach her to be more human and to set her on the right path spiritwise. She may look like an angel, but she wasn't.

17 posted on 02/25/2014 9:46:58 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Altenkrug

[This so-called “pastor” was the head of ideological department of the Young Communists Union in Dnepropetrovsk back in 1988-90.]

Anything to back that up?


18 posted on 02/25/2014 9:47:42 PM PST by Islander2
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To: Altenkrug

He was born in Soviet Union, so everyone was a commie in the 70’s. He’s not one now.


19 posted on 02/25/2014 9:56:42 PM PST by FBD
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To: Paleo Conservative

But he speaks Russian, so it might not be. More likely its an olive branch to the Russian population.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26316268


20 posted on 02/25/2014 9:58:57 PM PST by FBD
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To: Islander2

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-2631208
There are plenty of other references. You can easily google them out...


21 posted on 02/25/2014 10:09:32 PM PST by Altenkrug
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To: FBD

“He was born in Soviet Union, so everyone was a commie in the 70’s.”

Not everyone by far. There were Solzchenitsin, Schafransky and many many others.

This guy seems to be just another timeserver...


22 posted on 02/25/2014 10:19:20 PM PST by Altenkrug
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To: boxlunch

Welll,, champagne corks are popping in Texas,,,


23 posted on 02/25/2014 10:23:14 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

A gas billionaire,,, in the immediate post soviet era? Oh, im sure Tymoshenko is as pure as the driven snow. And never in the pocket of Euro bankers.... Its obvious.


24 posted on 02/25/2014 10:26:07 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

They often privatized monopolies that continued to be monopolies in the eastern bloc. Heck, its how Carlos “Slim” Gutierrez in Mexico became the richest man.

1000% Cronyism


25 posted on 02/25/2014 10:28:39 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: FBD
But he speaks Russian, so it might not be. More likely its an olive branch to the Russian population.

I wasn't talking about the Russian speaking population in Ukraine. I was talking about the Putin's policy to harrass non-Orthodox denominations in Russia. Ukraine allows all sorts of missionaries to operate freely.

26 posted on 02/25/2014 10:52:56 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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To: boxlunch
Ukraine Names Baptist Pastor as Acting President

As a Texan, I knew that Reagan had changed the world, but a Baptist preacher running Ukraine???

I can honestly say that I did not expect that headline.

27 posted on 02/25/2014 10:58:41 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: ansel12

Jimmy Carter is a Baptist, too. He’s a good Communist, anti-Semite tool.


28 posted on 02/25/2014 11:24:15 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Yes, I think he is still some kind of Baptist, he left the Southern Baptists denomination, they seemed to have driven him away.

It isn’t odd for America to have a Baptist leader, but Ukraine, that is really strange.

Reagan really did shake things up.


29 posted on 02/25/2014 11:29:45 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: boxlunch

While the world media was astonished at the mansion of Yanukovich, they media has forcefully omitted mentioning that Turchynov owns the adjoining property to Yanukovich, and that Turchynov’s mansion is also funded by his plundering of the country under Tymoshenko’s reign of corruption.

So, please don’t make this guy into some sort of hero figure on FR. He is just a high level cog in horribly corrupt cabal destroying the Western Ukrainians one bribe at a time.


30 posted on 02/25/2014 11:52:11 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: ansel12; fieldmarshaldj; Impy
I agree it's quite a shocker for the Ukraine. Given the Christian demographics, it's almost the polar opposite of the United States. Protestants are 0.9% of their population, so having a Baptist Pastor as President over there is akin to a Greek Orthodox bishop in the U.S. being sworn in at the White House as our new President after Obama is ousted in a coup. Hail to the Chief!

My guess is they probably went in a totally different direction because a lot of the Orthodox Church leaders in the Ukraine are too cozy with the Soviets. About 30% of the country is under the jurisdiction of the Orthodox Patriarch of Moscow.

Fieldmarshaldj makes a good point though. The fact he's a Baptist minister doesn't necessarily mean he'll be a good conservative. We have to take a wait and see approach. Even though Carter is no longer a Southern Baptist, he was at the time of his election as POTUS, and "born again" Jimmy still loved abortion and socialism.

31 posted on 02/26/2014 2:34:31 AM PST by BillyBoy (Looking at the weather lately, I could really use some 'global warming' right now!)
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To: boxlunch

“..as a principled, honest leader..”

Sounds like Ukraine is trying to do things right, rather than handing things over to some other reason; such as someone affiliated with the majority religion. Then it might have turned into more of a religous fight (which Ukraine had lots of, hundreds of years ago).

The original thing with the EU was a trade agreement, that was going to be considered by the former President, but then he reneged on it due to pressure (and funding) from Russia.

I REALLY hope that Ukraine can strike a reasonable stance towards both the West and Russia, and remain independent.


32 posted on 02/26/2014 2:47:04 AM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: Altenkrug

I am so skeptical of people in power that I scare ME sometimes, but I think your representations of this particular guy are one sided, particularly your insinuations about his role in the Komsomol or whatever it was called. He was clearly working for change and an element of freedom and historical liberalization (before the commies took over the word “liberal”).


33 posted on 02/26/2014 4:09:57 AM PST by AK_47_7.62x39 (There are many moderate Muslims, but there is no such thing as a moderate Islam. -- Geert Wilders)
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To: boxlunch

America is like a drunken blind man in the dark, lurching from one disastrous failure to another, because it has left God. God has moved the lamp stand of His guidance, and we see the results of godless depravity everywhere. But God knows when the end will come, and the faithful will trust Him until then.


34 posted on 02/26/2014 4:10:39 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: boxlunch
Another priority is returning to European integration.

So, for the Ukrainians its out of the frying pan and into the fire. Soros and the sodomites in Brussels must be laughing their asses off.

35 posted on 02/26/2014 6:07:10 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: boxlunch
Scanned the online bio stuff, but couldn't find that he was a minister. He does however occasionally give sermons at the evangelical Baptist church he attends.

Here's something also interesting...

In August 2007, Turchynov replied to the accusation that his stance on same-sex marriage is typically conservative, "I do not agree. If a man has normal views, then you label him a conservative, but those who use drugs or promote sodomy – you label them a progressive person. All of these are perversions."
That's a quote from Wikipedia, so it must be true.;-)
36 posted on 02/26/2014 6:08:24 AM PST by RoosterRedux (The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing -- Socrates)
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To: DesertRhino

“Oh, im sure Tymoshenko is as pure as the driven snow.”

Here’s some background on Tymoshenko and her connection to Soros.

http://www.tymoshenkocase.com/innas-corner-playing-the-victim/


37 posted on 02/26/2014 6:32:28 AM PST by sergeantdave
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To: boxlunch
well.. this is a step in the right direction...

but the real proof will come later when the EU demands that Ukraine embrace the sodomite rights agenda. Then we will see what this has wrought

38 posted on 02/26/2014 7:36:52 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: boxlunch
I thought Ukraine was Byzantine Catholic rather than Orthodox?

Oh well . . . now if this guy is a Southern Baptist pastor . . . Ukraine's attitude towards Israel and Jews might improve . . . without going liberal!

39 posted on 02/26/2014 7:41:22 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto; ansel12; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; GeronL; sickoflibs; ...

I don’t like the EU and hope they don’t join it but despite the recent FR romanticization of Putin because he doesn’t like queers, RUSSIAN DOMINATION and a corrupt Jr. Putin in charge is most certainly THE FIRE in this situation, not the EU.


40 posted on 02/26/2014 8:27:56 AM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: ansel12; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican

First Baptist head of state or government anywhere in Europe, I’m assuming?


41 posted on 02/26/2014 8:29:03 AM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Altenkrug

Possibly. Not everyone wants to rock the boat and pay the price.


42 posted on 02/26/2014 8:54:00 AM PST by FBD
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To: Paleo Conservative; Altenkrug
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26316268

I wasn't aware of that about Putin... Reading about Turchynov, he doesn't sound like someone who rocks the boat. He tried to accept Yanukovich’s offers to negotiate. He was involved in “reforming” the KGB. Altenkrug points out that he was a member of the youth organization of the Soviet Communist party, when he was young. Sounds like he's a go along to get along type of person.

43 posted on 02/26/2014 9:05:28 AM PST by FBD
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To: Impy; Zionist Conspirator; Count of Monte Fisto; ansel12; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; ...
>> First Baptist head of state or government anywhere in Europe, I’m assuming? <<

Possibly, but given the vast number of European countries, I'd say it's more likely he'd the first Baptist head of state in a Slavic country. It's likely at least one of those western European countries had a Baptist leader at some point in history.

>> now if this guy is a Southern Baptist pastor . . . Ukraine's attitude towards Israel and Jews might improve . . . <<

I think "Southern Baptists" (of the Southern Baptist Convention variety) only exist in the United States. Per wikipedia, nearly 90% of Baptists in Ukraine are united in the All-Ukrainian Union of Churches of Evangelical Christian-Baptists (AUС EСB), established in 1994. That sounds like they'd be similar to the SBC, but I honestly have no idea. There are various left-wing Baptist groups out there.

>> I thought Ukraine was Byzantine Catholic rather than Orthodox? <<

There are far more Byzantine Catholics than Roman Catholics in the Ukraine (which may be the only place in the world where that's true. Here is the United States, I think there are roughly 60 million Roman Catholics and 300,000 Byzantine Catholics), but both groups are dwarfed by the number of Orthodox Christians. According to the 2006 religion survey in the country, the breakdown was around 27% Orthodox, 6% Catholic, and 1% Protestant. Most of that region of the world is heavily Orthodox.

>> I don’t like the EU and hope they don’t join it but despite the recent FR romanticization of Putin because he doesn’t like queers, RUSSIAN DOMINATION and a corrupt Jr. Putin in charge is most certainly THE FIRE in this situation, not the EU. <<

Yep. Putin's still a thug and a dictator, no getting around that. In fact, one of the reasons this revolution happened is because Putin's puppets in the Ukraine were trying to shut down the Ukrainian Catholic University because it wouldn't toe the party line (great "Christian" values there, Vlad). Chicago has a ton of Catholics of slavic ancestry, mostly Polish(my family is Irish and Italian though) and they're up in arms about that. I haven't seen any coverage in the mainstream media, though.

The only good thing that can be said about Putin is he's an actual leader that takes charge of a situation and acts Presidential, unlike Obama. But it's nice to see the little KGB thug getting a slap down for once.

44 posted on 02/26/2014 10:05:43 AM PST by BillyBoy (Looking at the weather lately, I could really use some 'global warming' right now!)
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To: BillyBoy

The Korean Baptist Convention in South Korea is affiliated with the Southern Baptists, for one. 800,000 members in 2,700 congregations.


45 posted on 02/26/2014 10:12:17 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Impy
Putin in charge is most certainly THE FIRE in this situation, not the EU

I disagree. Putin is Vito Corleone. The sodomites running the EU are Pol Pot and Mao Zedong. Putin at least is trying to build up Russia. The EU czars are deliberately wrecking Western Civilization in Europe. Just like our resident sodomite in the White House is wrecking Western Civilization in North America.

46 posted on 02/26/2014 10:17:01 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: BillyBoy; Impy

If you don’t think that Putin and Russia are the hope for the world, for Christians, and superior to America, then you may not want to visit this thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3124896/posts?page=24


47 posted on 02/26/2014 12:10:10 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: boxlunch
An artist friend of mine in Odessa made this image.


48 posted on 02/26/2014 2:35:56 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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To: Impy; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; NFHale; Perdogg; sickoflibs; AuH2ORepublican; KC_Lion

“I don’t like the EU and hope they don’t join it but despite the recent FR romanticization of Putin because he doesn’t like queers, RUSSIAN DOMINATION and a corrupt Jr. Putin in charge is most certainly THE FIRE in this situation, not the EU.”

100% agree.

The Ukrainian people can now get ready for EU “harmony” in the form of economic austerity. They can ask the Greeks and Spaniards how that works. On the bright side, corruption will not be as blatant. Trading one master for another, what a sh**ty deal for them. In the meanwhile, expect hardship and stagnation for the next 5-15 years as their protected industries open up to IMF demands, their currency is devalued to its market price, and the price of basics shoot up. I feel for the Ukrainian people, but don’t blame them for wanting to trade in their current incompetent and corrupt Putin-inspired masters.


49 posted on 02/26/2014 4:57:10 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (You're a very weird person, Yossarian.)
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