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US planning full Afghan pullout, Obama tells Karzai
BBC.com ^ | February 25, 2014 | BBC

Posted on 02/26/2014 2:06:43 AM PST by Timber Rattler

President Barack Obama has warned his Afghan counterpart Hamid Karzai that the US may pull all of its troops out of his country by the year's end.

Mr Obama conveyed the message in a phone call to Mr Karzai, who has refused to sign a security agreement.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; karzai; troops
About time.
1 posted on 02/26/2014 2:06:43 AM PST by Timber Rattler
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To: Timber Rattler

I’m tired of our tax dollars going to Muslim countries with nothing to show for it but more Muslims. STOP.


2 posted on 02/26/2014 2:23:29 AM PST by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: Timber Rattler

bring our troops home,
all of them.
from germany,england, south korea, japan and the whole mid east.
bring em home and to hell with the world.


3 posted on 02/26/2014 2:46:58 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: Timber Rattler

Personally, I question this move by this particular President. While I fully agree and feel relieved to get out from another of the world’s hellholes, leaving there with our tail tucked isn’t exactly what I would have in mind.

It is a shame the entire effort was squandered by the President and the leftist agenda on the ROE.

We’ll be back in less than a decade from now, hopefully with a much better defined objective. As the middle east continues to escalate in hostilities with the world, this is very far from the end of the war.


4 posted on 02/26/2014 3:13:25 AM PST by EBH ( The Day of the Patriot has arrived.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Well, just exactly what else are we supposed to do? Stay in ‘stan forever? We would be making this move under any POTUS IMO.

When we went in 13 years ago I think we knew it wasn’t going to be a nation building exercise really and that we’d be checking out as soon as possible. Iraq’s the same way. We shouldn’t and can’t make them colonies. We can’t stay there indefinitely.


5 posted on 02/26/2014 3:33:43 AM PST by FAA
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To: FAA

Yep, we shouldn’t stick around there unless the area gets depopulated like we did to the indians. Unfortunately, that strategy doesn’t play well in the modern world.


6 posted on 02/26/2014 4:14:55 AM PST by glorgau
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To: FAA

At the very least, we need to bring back the Draft, or better yet, Israeli style compulsory service. It’s just too easy to send somebody else’s kids to War.


7 posted on 02/26/2014 4:15:00 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: EBH

We’ll be back in less than a decade from now, hopefully with a much better defined objective.


It will still be wrong.

These wars are not about our freedom or our safety. They are about corporatism.


8 posted on 02/26/2014 4:31:49 AM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: EBH
He has no choice in the matter. This is exactly what happened in Iraq.

Without a bilateral security agreement (BSA) in place, the legal status of U.S. troops in Afghanistan is up in the air and they could potentially be subject to criminal prosecution. One key purpose of the BSA is to formally document the legal status of U.S. military personnel and certify that they are subject to the Uniform Code of Military Conduct under U.S. law rather than the laws of Afghanistan.

Now I would assume that most Pentagon brass today and the entire administration doesn't give a rat's @ss about the troops on the ground, but it gets a bit dicey if the government of Afghanistan issues an arrest warrant sometime down the road against senior U.S. military (or civilian) officials for alleged crimes, atrocities, etc. by the U.S. military. That's the sort of thing that would have enough credibility to keep these people from traveling to third-party countries where the police might actually act on the warrant.

9 posted on 02/26/2014 4:33:53 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Wolfie
Actually, the way to deal with the problem is to have intelligent, self-respecting Americans stay out of the U.S. military in the first place. The Constitution makes it pretty clear that this country was never designed to have a large standing army in place, and that its military forces would be drawn from state militias in a time of need.

The U.S. military that you see today is the product of a post-1900 globalist empire that has no basis in Constitutional law.

10 posted on 02/26/2014 4:36:49 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: EBH

“We’ll be back in less than a decade from now”
After there’s another smoking crater in a blue city.


11 posted on 02/26/2014 4:43:04 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Even simpler...yank 10, hell make it 5, random students from each of the Ivy League colleges and send them to combat units every time they are deployed. The elite won’t get us into these messes anymore.


12 posted on 02/26/2014 4:45:41 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Alberta's Child
The Constitution makes it pretty clear that this country was never designed to have a large standing army in place...

Does the Constitution also make it clear that this country is not supposed to have worldwide interests -- both national security interests and commercial interests?

13 posted on 02/26/2014 4:46:38 AM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Timber Rattler

And Omar that bassturd remains free

eff that plan


14 posted on 02/26/2014 4:53:40 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Timber Rattler

“It’s a bluff by Obama.” - KT McFarland, WMAL/ABCNews 8am interview on the Morning Show.


15 posted on 02/26/2014 5:07:52 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Joe Boucher

Bring all the troops home, post them on our Mexican border, setup long thin military and training bases along the entire border. Erect the fence and have the men patrol the fence as part of weekly duties.

Let European countries defend their own borders, bring those troops home too!


16 posted on 02/26/2014 5:12:45 AM PST by bigtoona
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To: Timber Rattler

A year from now, Karzai will be living in a mansion in Switzerland,

or his head will be on a pike in Kabul.


17 posted on 02/26/2014 5:28:46 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: bigtoona

Not just the southern border,
Lot of undesirables slip in from Canada also,


18 posted on 02/26/2014 5:36:32 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: Joe Boucher

You are correct. How many lives and how much treasure are we willing to pour into these shitholes for no discernible purpose? Obama should have brought them all home the day after his inauguration.

A boy from Kentucky was killed a couple of weeks ago. And it was not for our freedom as so many like to say.


19 posted on 02/26/2014 5:41:45 AM PST by Valentine Michael Smith (You won't find justice in a Courtroom)
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To: Valentine Michael Smith

My nephew was killed in Fallujah.
You know, the place we spent so many lives only to give it back to the Taliban.
And for what reason?
Natural resources.
Afganistan is rich in uranium and other precious natural materials.
Iraq, oil.
For what, so some American bid ness men can make bundles of money at the expense of our boys?


20 posted on 02/26/2014 6:55:42 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: carriage_hill

It’s not a bluff, the order went out two weeks ago that no replacement tracked or wheeled vehicles were to be sent to Afghanistan.

A year ago a relative of mine went to Afghanistan and his units assignment was to prepare equipment for return to CONUS or Germany.


21 posted on 02/26/2014 9:44:07 AM PST by gandalftb (Go OK State Cowboys!!)
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To: Timber Rattler

Well, it’s not hard to predict. We pulled out of Iraq lock, stock and barrel because they refused to give our soldiers any legal protections from lawsuits. If Afghanistan is also refusing to do so, then we *have* to leave.

Last I heard, Karzai was demanding large sums of money in order to remove our military hardware from the country. We need to gather all those assets up tight, warn the locals to stay away, and disintegrate them with a couple of A-10 Warthogs. Maybe even a B-52 run.

Then leave Karzai to the tender care of the Taliban.


22 posted on 02/26/2014 9:54:53 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Joe Boucher

“For what, so some American bid ness men can make bundles of money at the expense of our boys?”

Yes, that was part of the reason.

However, natural resources are also critical to national security.

A severe fuel shortage in the USA would be devastating and can easily result in a collapse with millions dead. I see nothing wrong with using the US military to secure necessary resources while such a threat exists.

“War for Oil” is spouted by the hippies to sound terrible but we would all be nearly dead without oil and some rare earth minerals.


23 posted on 02/26/2014 10:42:23 AM PST by varyouga
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To: Alberta's Child

“The U.S. military that you see today is the product of a post-1900 globalist empire that has no basis in Constitutional law.”

Exactly what empire are you talking about? Post 1900? You mean the Spanish American War? LOL The conquest of Puerto Rico??

Also note below that Congress has every power to raise armies and navies and that calling out the militia is also a power, although well down the list.

“To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress...”


24 posted on 02/26/2014 1:16:23 PM PST by Owl558 (Those who remember George Santayana are doomed to repeat him)
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To: varyouga

Currently we are producing more energy than we need.
Course obammy’s friends hate coal so that is off the table.
And North shore oil is a no go as well as Canadian shale oil.
Other than some “rare minerals” we have most everything we need.
Course if butt heads restrict oil, coal, natural gas exploitation including fracking then hell yeah, let’s rely on Saudi Arabia and Venezuela.


25 posted on 02/26/2014 1:41:26 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: Owl558
You'll notice that the Constitution clearly specifies that the "navy" is under Congressional control, but there was always an expectation that the "army" would be drawn from State militias and put under Federal control when the need arose. This is no mere coincidence. Federal control of the Navy was necessary at all times because the U.S. Navy would operate in the "high seas" which are: (1) outside the jurisdiction of any state, and (2) are outside the legal jurisdiction of the Federal government ... which means (by definition) that the Navy would be subject to international treaties, agreements and maritime law (which are absolutely under the purview of Federal, not State, control) in a way that the "militia" would not.

I'd also point out that Congress has every power to raise Armies and Navies, but this power comes with a responsibility to issue formal declarations of war. I can't imagine any of the Founding Fathers would be comfortable with the idea of having U.S. military forces in a place like South Korea for 60 'effing years without even so much as a declaration of war from Congress.

26 posted on 02/26/2014 4:04:00 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Joe Boucher

Who is mining in Afghanistan?


27 posted on 02/27/2014 5:14:43 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Alberta's Child

The issue is not about declarations of war, but whether or not Congress has the power to raise armies independant of the state militias, which of course, they do. It says so in plain language. What Congress does with their power is a different matter.

I still want to know what post 1900 American empire you are referring to. That was actually my primary question.


28 posted on 02/27/2014 11:19:46 AM PST by Owl558 (Those who remember George Santayana are doomed to repeat him)
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To: Owl558
This country has effectively been an empire since 1912 when New Mexico and Arizona became the last of the Lower 48 states to be admitted into the Union. It's no coincidence that 1913 saw the introduction of the Federal income tax, and Woodrow Wilson established himself as the first big-government globalist "neo-conservative" shortly after that when he brought the U.S. into World War I to "make the world safe for democracy." Funny how I don't see that mandate written anywhere in any of the governing documents of this nation.

The U.S. now has a permanent military presence all over the globe, and will move mountains to promote our brand of radical secularism in any country we deem a trading partner.

You don't really think the U.S. military campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan had anything to do with some kind of half-assed "War on Terror," do you?

29 posted on 02/27/2014 12:10:46 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Alberta's Child

I’m not sure I understand your leaps here.

So a majority of New Mexican citizens petition the Federal Government for statehood, which is granted, which causes the federal income tax?? And somehow, Wilson entering WWI with a ligitimate congressional Declaration of War isn’t covered in the “governing documents of this nation.”

You make no sense to me.

If you mean the Mexican War (1846 not “post 1900”) was an imperial war, that is a fair statement open to debate. However, we have examples from earlier in US history of “imperial” wars - Monroe’s annexation of Florida (~1819) or attempted invasions of Canada during the War of 1812. Note that President Monroe was a bona fide Founding Father, so for anyone to state that the founders never intended the US to conduct “imperial” wars is flat-out wrong.

I do encourage you to learn more about my home state of New Mexico, however. It’s a VERY special part of the United States.


30 posted on 02/27/2014 3:02:06 PM PST by Owl558 (Those who remember George Santayana are doomed to repeat him)
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To: Travis McGee

I think the later...


31 posted on 02/27/2014 3:27:06 PM PST by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Owl558
It has nothing to do with New Mexico and Arizona per se. It's just that once those two states joined the Union there was no longer a frontier -- and growth by statehood in the contiguous United States came to an end.

For better or worse, the earlier "imperial" wars you describe were for the purpose of expanding the United States as a nation. It's been decades since we've done that. Now, we grow through colonization even as we allow millions of foreign invaders to pour over our own borders.

32 posted on 02/27/2014 4:26:32 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Alberta's Child

“For better or worse, the earlier “imperial” wars you describe were for the purpose of expanding the United States as a nation. It’s been decades since we’ve done that.”

I have Pinoy friends who truly and strongly wish that the Philipines were the 51st state. Imagine if that had come to pass. Cheers FRiend! We agree on many points.


33 posted on 02/27/2014 4:39:00 PM PST by Owl558 (Those who remember George Santayana are doomed to repeat him)
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To: Owl558
Thanks, FRiend!

And as an FYI ... I spent some time out in the Santa Fe-Las Vegas area a few years back. That's some really pretty country you've got out there!

34 posted on 02/27/2014 6:23:11 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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