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The car that runs on AIR: Peugot reveals plans for hybrid set to hit the streets next year
Daily Mail ^ | February 26, 2014 | Mark Prigg

Posted on 02/26/2014 1:07:24 PM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian

Peugeot has revealed plans to begin selling the first air powered car next year.

Based on a Peugeot 208, it will combine a normal engine with a radical new system that runs on compressed air.

The firm says the car could reduce petrol bills by 80% when driven in cities.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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A hybrid car that uses compressed air, rather than expensive and heavy batteries. Sounds like a better idea that a Chev Volt!
1 posted on 02/26/2014 1:07:24 PM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

Pierce the compressed air reservoir, and the car flies around like an open balloon. Thhhhhplplplplplpl


2 posted on 02/26/2014 1:09:31 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

There is lots of hot air generated in Ottawa and Washington. If science could capture some of this hot air, there would be a great reduction in the need for fossil fuels.


3 posted on 02/26/2014 1:09:58 PM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

stupid idea! compressed air as an energy storage mechanism is extremely inefficient.


4 posted on 02/26/2014 1:10:07 PM PST by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim; martin_fierro
Based on a Peugeot 208, it will combine a normal engine with a radical new system that runs on compressed air.

A French car that sucks. Quelle surprise!

5 posted on 02/26/2014 1:11:30 PM PST by Constitution Day (Endeavor To Persevere)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian
Obama will propose a tax on air next!

No, I am not kidding. He would if he could.

6 posted on 02/26/2014 1:13:24 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Cboldt

7 posted on 02/26/2014 1:14:18 PM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

Been tried many many times. Ends up needing lots of power to compress the cylinder. Cylinder needs periodic inspections.
Scuba divers know more than French auto designers.


8 posted on 02/26/2014 1:14:20 PM PST by Zathras
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

I suspect the compressed nitrogen hybrids already in service have less maintenance than compressed air. Someone is just trying to trade efficiency to avoid paying a patent fee.


9 posted on 02/26/2014 1:14:21 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Constitution Day

Wouldn’t pressure be being released?

hehehe


10 posted on 02/26/2014 1:16:27 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: loungitude

How does the compressed air get into the compressed air holder thingy? Probably takes a gas engine to pump it on there.


11 posted on 02/26/2014 1:16:45 PM PST by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
Cool, a cow on afterburner.

But is it stealthy and how many missiles can it carry?

Of course it's stealthy - who would suspect a cow?
12 posted on 02/26/2014 1:18:15 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: b4its2late

Yes but a little one it says it reduces petrol by 80%


13 posted on 02/26/2014 1:18:22 PM PST by edcoil ( "All men's miseries derive from not being able to sit in a quiet room alone." - Blaise Pascal)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

Not this again...

They have been telling us we will soon see a compressed air car for at least twenty years.

Variations of this company have been pushing this idea forever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Development_International

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/988265.stm


14 posted on 02/26/2014 1:18:25 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: Constitution Day
A French car that sucks. Quelle surprise!

Sometimes it blows.

15 posted on 02/26/2014 1:18:40 PM PST by mwilli20 (BO. Making communists proud all over the world.)
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To: GreyFriar

The system works by using a normal internal combustion engine, special hydraulics and an adapted gearbox along with compressed air cylinders that store and release energy. This enables it to run on petrol or air, or a combination of the two. Air power would be used solely for city use, automatically activated below 43mph and available for ‘60 to 80 per cent of the time in city driving’.

City driving, ping!

16 posted on 02/26/2014 1:18:58 PM PST by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

As long as it doesn’t burst into flames in the garage when you on vacation. That would be an improvement.


17 posted on 02/26/2014 1:19:15 PM PST by edcoil ( "All men's miseries derive from not being able to sit in a quiet room alone." - Blaise Pascal)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

Will work great in DC....................


18 posted on 02/26/2014 1:19:16 PM PST by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: edcoil

Ahhhh, petrol, yes!


19 posted on 02/26/2014 1:20:09 PM PST by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: loungitude

Yup. Air as a means to power a sailboat is about the only way it works.

Still takes gas/coal/nuke to compress the air otherwise and that WASTES energy. Far more efficient to use the gas/coal/nuke directly. AND less polluting because of it.


20 posted on 02/26/2014 1:21:23 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

Fill it up with helium and you can float over traffic jams.


21 posted on 02/26/2014 1:21:37 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

Interesting idea, hope it works out. Better than buying Chinese manufactured batteries.


22 posted on 02/26/2014 1:21:56 PM PST by 12th_Monkey (One man one vote is a big fail, when the "one" man is an idiot.)
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To: mwilli20
A French car that sucks. Quelle surprise!
Sometimes it blows.


23 posted on 02/26/2014 1:21:59 PM PST by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: F15Eagle

Well I for one welcome our new bovine overlords!


24 posted on 02/26/2014 1:22:02 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

I just can’t wait to see one hit Mach 2....


25 posted on 02/26/2014 1:22:57 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: loungitude

There is a diagram in the article. The energy stored in the compressed gas is created and transferred with hydraulics. The compressed air is trapped in what is referred to as a hydraulic accumulator. Efficient enough.


26 posted on 02/26/2014 1:24:36 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: F15Eagle

They are beyond that. The Aurora Bovinealias Spacecow project...real hush hush stuff...


27 posted on 02/26/2014 1:24:41 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: F15Eagle; mwilli20
They should call this model "Le Petomane"


28 posted on 02/26/2014 1:25:46 PM PST by Constitution Day (Endeavor To Persevere)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian
"...could reduce petrol bills by 80% when driven in cities."

So what does it do outside city limits?

29 posted on 02/26/2014 1:26:17 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

I always knew the government would find a way to tax air.

You know they will find a way!


30 posted on 02/26/2014 1:26:49 PM PST by OpusatFR
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

This has been around for decades. The designer is a former F1 engineer.

A little less talking, a little more action.

Personally I don’t see it.


31 posted on 02/26/2014 1:27:25 PM PST by prisoner6 (FREEDOM)
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To: Cboldt

And NG or propane powered vehicles? There are more and more of the former and still a few of the latter.


32 posted on 02/26/2014 1:29:00 PM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind, but now I see...)
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Peugeot has revealed plans to begin selling the first air powered car next year.

Obama Motors beat them to it.


33 posted on 02/26/2014 1:29:10 PM PST by Iron Munro (Eight died on that bridge at Concord, back in 1775. How many will it take this time?)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

I remember seeing a story a couple of years back about a speed bump that was installed to that charged a battery when a car drove over it. I thought that was an interesting concept if a driver had to slow down for a stop sign.


34 posted on 02/26/2014 1:29:36 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

There will always be loss of energy in the form of heat that cannot be captured. It takes energy to compress the gas, but in compression heat will be generated and lost. In releasing the compressed gas to I presume to operate some type of turbine there will also be energy lost do to heat. I fail to see how this could be very efficient particularly with the high pressures needed to give any serious locomotion. I remember an episode of Myth Busters where they tried to propel a boat using compressed air jets and found it didn’t work.


35 posted on 02/26/2014 1:29:50 PM PST by The Great RJ
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, but can be converted. All processes of conversion involve a loss of some kind.

That law of Physics can not be undone by legislative or presidential fiat.

So, we need to know where the energy comes from to compress the air. Obviously not from air, as the headline implies.

What is the cost of the energy? What percentage makes it to the wheels of the car? How much leaks? What is the cost of government subsidies?


36 posted on 02/26/2014 1:30:49 PM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Perhaps if the compression cycle was integrated with
braking, then useable energy could be recovered and
used again. ??


37 posted on 02/26/2014 1:31:43 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

I had the idea that the braking turns a hydraulic pump that compresses the air and that the engine could do it if it needed to. They specified ‘city driving’ for the economy spec, so that makes some sense.


38 posted on 02/26/2014 1:32:28 PM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: loungitude

Are they worse that electric hybrids? High voltage, heavy metal, heavy vehicles carrying a lot more force when they crash than a non-hybrid, difficult to quench fires, toxic fumes, etc.

If the French can make a compressed air hybrid car work, more power to them! If they did, it would sure be a black eye to Government Motors.


39 posted on 02/26/2014 1:34:10 PM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: I want the USA back

An engine compresses the air. Apparently the compressed air turns the wheels at a more efficient rate than the mechanical differential drive train.


40 posted on 02/26/2014 1:35:07 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: prisoner6

Compressed air has been used since the 19th century to power mine locomotives and trams in cities such as Paris (via a central, city-level, compressed air energy distribution system), and was previously the basis of naval torpedo propulsion.

What’s old is new, again.


41 posted on 02/26/2014 1:35:42 PM PST by Ed Condon (Give 'em a heading, an altitude, and a reason.)
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To: bert

how much energy does it take to compress the air?


42 posted on 02/26/2014 1:36:25 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

That is natural gas powered and runs on grass.


43 posted on 02/26/2014 1:36:38 PM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: Cboldt
And where does this compressed air come from? A compressor? And what runs the compressor? Gasoline? No? Perhaps electricity? How does this electricity get produced? By burning fossil fuels or perhaps coal?
44 posted on 02/26/2014 1:37:16 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it." - George Orwell)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian
I didn't see if the air tank is insulated enough to keep from losing heat generated when compressing the air.

I would like to see how far the air tank could drive you if you started out fully charged. I can never get a feel how big of storage a hybrid has other than the Chevy Volt's 40 miles on electricity.

It's an interesting idea. With the air boost when accelerating you don't need as big of engine as you would otherwise, thus gain efficiency that way. Also it has regenerative braking so you at least retain some of your energy which would otherwise be lost as heat in the brake pads and rotors.

45 posted on 02/26/2014 1:37:19 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)
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To: Constitution Day

I know him! The famous crepitator, right? Fltulist? I was emulated him in the dorm of my prep school.


46 posted on 02/26/2014 1:37:39 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: F15Eagle

“But is it stealthy and how many missiles can it carry? “

No missiles., but lots of bombs.


47 posted on 02/26/2014 1:39:14 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Insurgent Conservative)
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To: Norm Lenhart
Far more efficient to use the gas/coal/nuke directly. AND less polluting because of it.

But carrying around an engine big enough for decent acceleration is also inefficient. A smaller engine for cruising plus the hybrid system to give a kick to acceleration can be more efficient than a big engine.

48 posted on 02/26/2014 1:40:26 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

You are correct!


49 posted on 02/26/2014 1:40:59 PM PST by Constitution Day (Endeavor To Persevere)
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To: b4its2late

This is a hydraulic hybrid rebranded because hydraulics isn’t sexy.


50 posted on 02/26/2014 1:41:07 PM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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