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What's So Weird About a Conservative Atheist?
The Atlantic ^ | February 26, 2014 | Emma Green

Posted on 02/26/2014 4:35:25 PM PST by lbryce

"It is an attack on God Himself."

This was how Brent Bozell, founder of the conservative Media Research Center, felt about the prospect of representatives from the American Atheists attending the upcoming Conservative Political Action Conference, the annual gathering of conservative leaders and organizations in Washington, D.C. On Tuesday, the Atheists announced they would host a booth at the conference next week; within hours, they had been disinvited. The group "misrepresented itself about their willingness to engage in positive dialogue and work together to promote limited government," a CPAC spokesperson told the Washington Post yesterday.

The American Atheists were invited—and then uninvited—from the Conservative Political Action Conference. Why?

The American Atheists disagree. "America’s religious conservatives can deny it all they want, but soon they’re going to realize that ignoring the growing number of atheist constituents is a losing proposition,” the organization's president, David Silverman, said in a press release. He says his group had been in conversation with conference's planning committee about 2015, offering up ideas for future atheist keynoters. Despite this year's snub, the Atheists are willing to reopen dialogue with CPAC about "the importance of religious equality," Silverman said.

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Their faux sincerity meant to convey the left's Schandenfreude regarding the diminishing power and influence of the Conservative movement's fall from grace. The conservatives having been forced into becoming politically diluted, prostituting themselves in betrayal for a few meaningless numbers in the Electoral College in a desperate hope to remain vital. This talk by the is a retreaded canard they just loves to talk up whenever there's a crisis among the Conservatives, Republicans

This issue is merely a rehash of the chimerical political beast the Republicans /Conservatives have become and they do have a point about what it means, I'm sorry to say. For me, a log cabin Republican is a chimerical creature created by a political Dr. Moreau, one that doesn't exist in the real world, merely created in the demographics laboratory of political expediency, necessity.

Stretching the canvas tent out and up making it tauter to accommodate an egregiously blasphemous political compromise is only going to cause the tent to collapse that much sooner and was already declared "an attack on God Himself" if not in so many words.

If you're indulgent in the lifestyle of the depraved and the licentious, God is as absent, non-existent from your life as it is for the atheist.

1 posted on 02/26/2014 4:35:25 PM PST by lbryce
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To: lbryce
I never did understand atheism.
I guess those folks never ask the questions: who made me, where am I from, what happens after I die.

Zero curiosity or they don't give a rat's.

2 posted on 02/26/2014 4:37:55 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: lbryce

“the importance of religious equality,” Silverman said.

How sincere!


3 posted on 02/26/2014 4:38:40 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: lbryce

Bozell is correct. It is impossible to be both a American Conservative and an atheist.

American Conservatism is about preserving and utilizing the time-honored and proven values, methods, and institutions that have built up America into the exceptionalism that has made it a bastion of freedom.


4 posted on 02/26/2014 4:45:30 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: lbryce
What's So Weird About a Conservative Atheist?

Where do our rights come from? Answer me that and I'll explain to you why a Conservative atheist is a non-sequitur.

5 posted on 02/26/2014 4:46:29 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: lbryce

Makes as much sense as a conservative homosexual.


6 posted on 02/26/2014 4:48:20 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: lbryce

A friend asked me about this controversy, this is what I sent him:

I saw this - and I have mixed views about it. I do think conservatives should be welcoming to the secular community, so this action is a bit problematic. That being said, the secular community has pretty much embarrassed themselves and completely pissed off most conservatives - and of course, I see little evidence of any separation between secularism and secular progressivism - certainly none of the groups I know makes that effort. They are like misbehaved guests whom you don’t want to have at your party. So I see both sides on this. As a Tea Partier who is an atheist, I am stuck in the middle :-).


7 posted on 02/26/2014 4:48:24 PM PST by warpsmith (Wake Me in 2016)
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To: cloudmountain

>> I never did understand atheism.

But Atheists understand you enough to describe your God as fictitious.


8 posted on 02/26/2014 4:48:51 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: lbryce

Nothing weird about them.

What’s weird is this sudden demand to be recognized as a group to be pandered to.


9 posted on 02/26/2014 4:48:56 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: lbryce

I was conservative long before I stopped being an atheist. One inevitably leads to the other.


10 posted on 02/26/2014 4:50:01 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: cloudmountain

I don’t understand atheism either. How can you possibly prove that there is no God?
Playing the devil’s advocate, though, how can you prove that here IS a God?
Agnostics don’t care what you think and can’t understand why you care so much about what they think.


11 posted on 02/26/2014 4:50:51 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: lbryce
Most of politics involves people coming together to achieve specific goals in the short-run here.

People with different ideas about divine beings can come together if they have common interests or common adversaries.

People love to hold forth about their ideas about the ultimate things, but that can tear political coalitions apart.

This is a controversy that could have been easily avoided by just not inviting an explicitly atheist group with no conservative ties to a conservative conference.

12 posted on 02/26/2014 4:53:10 PM PST by x
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To: xzins

Insofar as it is in the interest of a free and prosperous people to promote and instill virtue, I do not find it outside the realm of possibility that an atheist could fall into line at least from a sense of self-preservation. But a civil society is much better served when its participants act out of more than self-preservation, seeking the betterment of all. This is partly, if not largely, why we [the citizenry of the USA] argue over the manner and degree of affirming the common good. Pure self-interest is unhealthy and not in accord with the Judeo-Christian ethic that serves our founding principles as expressed and enforceable by law. Most atheists I know seek to question and undermine this very thing, but not all.


13 posted on 02/26/2014 4:55:22 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Our Judeo-Christian sensibility responds to “endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights...”

An atheist can only appeal to “we decided these were rights”...

And if one group of leaders can decide them some other leader in the future can undecide them.


14 posted on 02/26/2014 5:01:39 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: lbryce

Religion is conservatism’s Achilles’ heel.


15 posted on 02/26/2014 5:04:02 PM PST by Misterioso
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To: Misterioso

Hardly. Judeo-Christian faith is its strength.


16 posted on 02/26/2014 5:06:43 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: lbryce
Conservatism is mostly about realism. Atheists don't deny God, they just hate Him...and they especially hate his Son.

So in realistic terms, they are angry with the center of their universe...they hate the core of realism.

In fact, they believe that they can create a world (Utopia) which is better than His. And they believe this because they follow a leader who has held this opinion for many millenia.

And who is this Rebel?

Obama serves him!

17 posted on 02/26/2014 5:15:15 PM PST by RoosterRedux (The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing -- Socrates)
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To: lbryce

Fine with me—just identify as a conservative and leave atheism out of it...same with homosexuals. I know of conservative ones, and I am glad they agree on low taxes and smaller government. So let’s leave it at that.

Karl Rove is an atheist.

So is Charles Krauthammer, IIRC.


18 posted on 02/26/2014 5:15:56 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: cripplecreek

This is a part of the movement of the GOP away from conservatism, and into even more libertarianism/rinosim.

Kill conservatism, then argue about money issues with the democrats.

The GOP left doesn’t realize that social liberalism only creates socialist voters, not capitalist voters.


19 posted on 02/26/2014 5:23:47 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: lbryce

What is it THAT communists and atheists have in common?..
Actually more than disbelief in God..

Commies believe the givernment is God.. Atheists DO NOT..
BUT the commies only use that as a gambit for dissimulation..
BUT atheists know that too.. let’s say their “cousins”.. not brothers..

When an atheist comes to you with compassionate atheism..
Just know it’s all BULL SPERM.. he would inseminate you with..

Commie or atheist... both are hauling a short load..
Atheisim has as much in common with conservatism..
As PeeWee Herman does with innocence..


20 posted on 02/26/2014 5:24:49 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Misterioso

LOL, it is it’s foundation and strength.


21 posted on 02/26/2014 5:24:57 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: lbryce

A conservative atheist makes far more sense than a liberal Christian.


22 posted on 02/26/2014 5:39:20 PM PST by HarleyD ("... letters are weighty, but his .. presence is weak, and his speech of no account.")
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To: hosepipe
SMH,

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Do the evangelicals here slap down conservative Jews for not espousing "Christian values" or for rejecting Jesus Christ as their "Lord and Savoir?"

The religious infighting on this site is ridiculous.
23 posted on 02/26/2014 6:13:45 PM PST by Goldsborough
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To: x

The problem is that the Conservative base is shrinking and so
in order to remain politically viable they’re willing to increase the voter base that compromises, dilutes the underlying fundamental principles that have made conservatism the principled, logical ideology for a better, more fulfilling, civilized way of life, for God and country.


24 posted on 02/26/2014 6:26:58 PM PST by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
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To: lbryce
What's So Weird About a Conservative Atheist?

I don't believe in atheism.

25 posted on 02/26/2014 6:42:32 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: Goldsborough
Do the evangelicals here slap down conservative Jews for not espousing "Christian values" or for rejecting Jesus Christ as their "Lord and Savoir?"

Perhaps you missed the "Judeo" in Judeo-Christian values. Conservatives (and Christians) recognize their debts to the marvelous culture of the Jews, as well as their special covenant with God. The only thing atheists have ever done is degrade and attack the values and traditions that made this country great.

26 posted on 02/26/2014 7:00:35 PM PST by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: HarleyD
I agree. My sister-in-law is an atheist and is extremely conservative. She believes that she only has so much time, so make the most of it and the govt either slows her down or tries to stop her. She is pretty hard nosed, but she'll help anyone who truly needs a hand, but not a handout. You would never know that she is an atheist unless you directly ask her. She says it serves no purpose to announce that she doesn't believe in god, except to allow someone to categorize her.

My other sister-in-law is extremely liberal and is Christian. She is an academic and thinks that centralized planning is the way to go.

The pair make for interesting family holidays.

27 posted on 02/26/2014 7:20:32 PM PST by fini
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To: xzins
Our Judeo-Christian sensibility responds to “endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights...” An atheist can only appeal to “we decided these were rights”... And if one group of leaders can decide them some other leader in the future can undecide them.

You nicely summed up why American conservatism is incompatible with Godlessness.

28 posted on 02/26/2014 7:22:28 PM PST by Sans-Culotte (Psalm 14:1 ~ The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”)
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To: lbryce

I think its a mistake to exclude atheists. They can be and often are Conservative politically, they just don’t believe in a God. One of the most moral people I know is an atheist. CPAC made a mistake in kicking them out.


29 posted on 02/26/2014 7:25:04 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: lbryce

Atheism provides for no ultimate objective source of individual sovereignty.

The only version of individual sovereignty available to atheism is the subjective kind, which makes it no different, ultimately, from any form of liberalism.


30 posted on 02/26/2014 7:26:15 PM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: Goldsborough
The religious infighting on this site is ridiculous.

Amen !

Our Founders would be torn to shreds in here, inasmuch as most of them were 'mere' Deists.

I'm with them, 100%.

31 posted on 02/26/2014 7:28:13 PM PST by tomkat (God save me from those who want to 'save' me !)
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To: lbryce

Atheism provides for no ultimate objective source of individual sovereignty.

The only version of individual sovereignty available to atheism is the subjective kind, which makes it no different, ultimately, from any form of liberalism.


32 posted on 02/26/2014 7:36:04 PM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: lbryce

“Despite this year’s snub, the Atheists are willing to reopen dialogue with CPAC about “the importance of religious equality,” Silverman said.”

Conservatives wouldn’t whine about this.

An atheist could be a conservative.

A group that defines itself in such an identity politics way isn’t conservative.


33 posted on 02/26/2014 7:51:18 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Goldsborough

Do the evangelicals here slap down conservative Jews for not espousing “Christian values” or for rejecting Jesus Christ as their “Lord and Savoir?”


Sometimes.. and as most Jews are various kinds of commies(socialists)..
Not all christians are christians, as not all Jews are Jews..

Actually not all americans are Americans..
or patriots patriots.. or even not women are Women.. or men Men...

It’s like that in Bizarro world..
Drop the Bong... look around.. it’s weird out there..


34 posted on 02/26/2014 7:53:39 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: lbryce
I'm very conservative.

I'm also agnostic, bordering on atheist. (Don't have the cajones to go all the way, I guess).

You won't find a more staunch supporter of religious freedom, for all religions, than you'll find in me.

I consider atheism to be a religion that should not be elevated above other religions, especially in the U.S. where Christianity and Judaism were the founding and prevalent religions.

35 posted on 02/26/2014 7:57:16 PM PST by Washi (Stop Obama's War On Jobs)
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To: lbryce

Atheism provides for no ultimate objective source of individual sovereignty.

The only version of individual sovereignty available to atheism is the subjective kind, which makes it no different, ultimately, from any form of liberalism.


36 posted on 02/26/2014 8:28:44 PM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: Goldsborough
The religious infighting on this site is ridiculous.

No kidding. Its no wonder we can't get anywhere.

THIS very conservative agnostic would like to see most of the Federal Government disassembled, abortion severely restricted if not outright prohibited, and freedom of worship (or not to worship) in the public square enforced and restrictions removed on the exercise of the Second Amendment among other conservative positions.

But some people here say that makes me a liberal.

37 posted on 02/26/2014 8:34:06 PM PST by superloser
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To: Gene Eric
But Atheists understand you enough to describe your God as fictitious.

That isn't "understanding." It's simply a fatuous remark to hide their ignorance.

38 posted on 02/26/2014 8:50:08 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

That’s kinda’ what I was getting at.


39 posted on 02/26/2014 8:54:21 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric

O.K.


40 posted on 02/26/2014 8:56:26 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

Your Faith is no doubt like love — something that’s natural to experience but complicated to describe. The Atheist says your experience in Faith is a fallacy. But the Atheist cannot comprehend your experience in denying its existence, and is therefore a fraud or an idiot.


41 posted on 02/26/2014 9:10:48 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: cripplecreek
Nothing weird about them.

What’s weird is this sudden demand to be recognized as a group to be pandered to.

That's precisely how I feel about it. You don't need to be religious to understand right from wrong and have a fundamental sense of what works in the world. But organizing as a whiny little group around the common cause of not believing in god is just pathetic.

42 posted on 02/26/2014 9:24:15 PM PST by Junior_G (Funny how liberals' love affair with Muslims began on 9/11)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
The only thing atheists have ever done is degrade and attack the values and traditions that made this country great.

I find it interesting that you can make a distinction between liberal and conservative Jews, but can't form a distinction between liberal and conservative atheists. Alas, other believers in this very thread are at least capable of understanding that we don't require your collective acceptance in order to discern that conservative atheists actually exist.

If you "true Scotsmen" don't want our electoral help, that's fine by me, but you'll get it anyways.
43 posted on 02/26/2014 9:58:14 PM PST by Goldsborough
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To: cloudmountain

I ask those questions but I’m happy with the answer: “I don’t know’”


44 posted on 02/27/2014 12:37:03 AM PST by Natufian (t)
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To: Misterioso
Religion is conservatism’s Achilles’ heel.

I have heard this song before....

I'd love to teach
The world to sing
In perfect harmony

45 posted on 02/27/2014 2:05:33 AM PST by itsahoot (Voting for RINOs is the same as voting for any other Tyrant)
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To: Goldsborough
The religious infighting on this site is ridiculous.

Yet here you are engaging in it.

46 posted on 02/27/2014 2:08:57 AM PST by itsahoot (Voting for RINOs is the same as voting for any other Tyrant)
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To: tomkat
Our Founders would be torn to shreds in here, inasmuch as most of them were 'mere' Deists.

B$.

47 posted on 02/27/2014 2:12:58 AM PST by itsahoot (Voting for RINOs is the same as voting for any other Tyrant)
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To: lbryce
Someone who is unwilling to give thanks to his Maker before cramming a double cheese pepperoni pizza down his gullet isn't much of a conservative.

I just don't see how atheists, who are willing or unwilling minions of the devil, who tirelessly work to weaken and destroy Christian civilization and to slander and mock God and His only begotten Son... I don't see how they logically fit under the "conservative' label.

48 posted on 02/27/2014 2:13:52 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: itsahoot
The religious infighting on this site is ridiculous.

Yet here you are engaging in it.

Hardly.
49 posted on 02/27/2014 6:22:04 AM PST by Goldsborough
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To: lbryce
“Can you be a conservative and not believe in God? Yes, absolutely. Can you be a conservative and despise God and feel contempt for those who believe in God? Equally absolutely, no." - William F. Buckley Jr.

Works for me.

50 posted on 02/27/2014 6:49:37 AM PST by Eric Pode of Croydon
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