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Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer Vetoes Controversial Anti-Gay Bill, SB 1062
CNN Politics ^ | February 26, 2014 | Halimah Abdullah and Catherine E. Shoichet

Posted on 02/26/2014 6:50:47 PM PST by lbryce

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer vetoed a bill Wednesday that would have allowed businesses that asserted their religious beliefs the right to deny service to gay and lesbian customers.

Opinions have been sharply divided over the politically charged measure, with both sides ramping up pressure on Brewer after the state's Republican-led Legislature approved the bill last week.

Brewer said she made the decision she knew was right for Arizona.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: arizona; az2014; christians; gay; gayissues; homosexualagenda; janbrewer; sb1062; veto
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She's right for the wrong reasons. She had no choice. Had the bill passed it would have had terrible repercussions for Arizona. She, and all of Arizona were on the side of God but the egregious malevolence pummeling down on Arizona would have made their strong, principled convictions a Pyrrhic Victory, the losses would have been much too high a price to pay.
1 posted on 02/26/2014 6:50:47 PM PST by lbryce
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To: lbryce
Its just a matter of time before churches are forced to marry gays or risk losing their tax exempt status.

When that happens the immense good that churches do in terms of charity will become impossible.

Thank the gay mafia.

2 posted on 02/26/2014 6:56:29 PM PST by skeeter
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To: skeeter

“Thank the gay mafia.”

2% of the population running rough shod over the other 98%. Yea, that’s the ticket!


3 posted on 02/26/2014 6:58:50 PM PST by mark3681
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To: mark3681

WHEN will the majority assert itself?


4 posted on 02/26/2014 7:00:46 PM PST by skeeter
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To: skeeter

In another lifetime.


5 posted on 02/26/2014 7:02:23 PM PST by Phillyred
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To: lbryce

>> She’s right for the wrong reasons.

She is wrong for the wrong reasons.

>> She had no choice.

She had a choice. She chose to please men rather than God.

>> Had the bill passed it would have had terrible repercussions for Arizona.

The Gay Mafia and their agenda will have unimaginably horrible repercussions for all of America, should no one stop them and they continue to spread their evil unchecked. Ref: Sodom. Brewer had a chance to stand heroically “...against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.” Sadly, she had not the courage to do so.

>> She, and all of Arizona were on the side of God...

“If GOD be for us, who can be against us?” I’m sorry she has no faith in GOD.


6 posted on 02/26/2014 7:03:35 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: skeeter

“WHEN will the majority assert itself?”

It is trying. We are being ignored, especially by those who are not supposed to be ignoring us.


7 posted on 02/26/2014 7:03:51 PM PST by mark3681
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To: mark3681

> 2% of the population running rough shod over the other 98%. Yea, that’s the ticket!

They hope to raise those numbers dramatically promoting the LGBT lifestlye in our schools, the Boy Scouts, and Girl Scouts....


8 posted on 02/26/2014 7:05:14 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: lbryce

Discrimination is discrimination. How do you know if a customer is “gay” or not? Most don’t wear signs proclaiming it. Only the politicized ones on the Left do.

I’m Jewish. There used to be signs that said “No Jews, Niggers or Dogs allowed”. You’ll find signs like that today in much of the Middle East.

But how does someone know that I’m Jewish. I don’t look Jewish and don’t wear any religious garments. I’ve passed for Italian on more than one ocassion. Even the KKK and Nazis didn’t know I was Jewish when I attended one of their rallies just outside of DC. (That was a learning experience, believe me).

You should ban a person from your premises based on their visible bad behavior, not who they are internally.

I think that moderate gays (who are afraid to speak up due to threats from their Leftist thugs), need to step up and say that they just want to be treated publicly like anyone else, but also demand that their militant brethren stop their own hate campaigns against straights and people with certain religious beliefs.

Doing the right thing is often hard, but it still is the right thing. It goes both ways.


9 posted on 02/26/2014 7:06:37 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: lbryce

Should an African-America baker have to bake a cake for a Klu Klux Klan celebration?

Should a Jewish baker have to bake a cake for a Neo-Nazi celebration?

Should a Gay baker have to bake a cake for a Christian celebration?

Should a Christian baker have to bake a cake for a Gay wedding?


10 posted on 02/26/2014 7:07:07 PM PST by Reagan▄berAlles
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To: mark3681
its more than just teh 2%...its the other populations that are pedophiles, that are promicuous and adulterous and pandering and pimping...its all the other people who want their own immorality to fit in as well...

it doesn't with me...the values of the weak (homosexuality, promiscuity,abortion,drugs,alcohol.sloth and laziness,etc) prevail because the strong have taken the over as devices of leadership"

that explains it all...

11 posted on 02/26/2014 7:08:14 PM PST by cherry
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To: lbryce
Hey sure enough, let's just all bend over, we all now have no rights other Muslim, blacks, illegal aliens and gays!

No one, and I mean no one can say anything against anal sex. It's the new civil right!

I assume the scarlet letter will be "C" for Christian with underground churches that preach and teach from the bible meeting secretly.

12 posted on 02/26/2014 7:08:32 PM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: lbryce

Gov. Jan Brewer would have been dog piled like they did to Sarah Palin. That is because she has no idea how to fight back. This homo confederacy is using the Alinsky tactics on steroids. Anyone who stands in opposition to them is picked out, frozen and polarized. They play this play book over and over like anything one would do because it is successful. This tactic nullifies their target’s ability to reason their case because it is on the level of throwing dirt balls. If you try to reason with the public, you have lost.

However, if you turn he tables on them, and pick one of their own for attack, you would have them in a frenzy. This is where a similar attack is the best defense. This is the level you have to fight. You have to throw dirt balls at them without stop.


13 posted on 02/26/2014 7:09:26 PM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: jsanders2001

Maybe we should all move to Israel. After all, that’s where its all going to go down anyway. And, the time is approaching rapidly, IMO, based on recent events.


14 posted on 02/26/2014 7:10:50 PM PST by mark3681
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To: lbryce
She, and all of Arizona were on the side of God but the egregious malevolence pummeling down on Arizona would have made their strong, principled convictions a Pyrrhic Victory, the losses would have been much too high a price to pay.

Pyrrhic victory or another regular, old loss.

Either way our freedoms, in this case religious, are, again, diminished.

15 posted on 02/26/2014 7:11:31 PM PST by Washi (Stop Obama's War On Jobs)
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To: cherry

good points


16 posted on 02/26/2014 7:11:44 PM PST by mark3681
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To: lbryce

Freedom of association is guaranteed in the First Amendment of the Constitution. I don’t know about Arizona, but most businesses I know of have a sign in the window that says, “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason.”

This bill spelled out what is already in the First Amendment. It is sad that we should need bills to guarantee our Constitutional rights. It is even sadder that such a bill should be vetoed.


17 posted on 02/26/2014 7:12:58 PM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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18 posted on 02/26/2014 7:15:14 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: skeeter

Nonsense. Churches can continue to do their good works with out asking for the government’s permission. There is more difficulty without the tax exemption but it is not an impossibility. Just requires the congregation to be aware and active.

So some of the ‘properties’ go away. The good works do not have to stop. There are those who would suggest that it is a good thing that churches do not seek tax exempt status. Then they are not beholden to the government


19 posted on 02/26/2014 7:15:42 PM PST by Nifster
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To: jonrick46
Gov. Jan Brewer would have been dog piled like they did to Sarah Palin.

She's already been dog piled.

Do you think they'll like her now?

I wish that conservatives would finally figure out: They're going to trash you regardless of what you do. You may as well do the right thing.

20 posted on 02/26/2014 7:17:01 PM PST by Washi (Stop Obama's War On Jobs)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Thank you MadMax. Well said and right on point.


21 posted on 02/26/2014 7:17:07 PM PST by Nifster
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

There is a difference between discrimination out of malice, which is not a Christian value, and refusing service if providing such service causes a violation of conscious for the provider.


22 posted on 02/26/2014 7:17:11 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Nifster
Nonsense? Good works require money, money the church will not have if it has to pay taxes.

Its really pretty simple.

23 posted on 02/26/2014 7:20:06 PM PST by skeeter
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To: lbryce

The NFL, and their fawning Media, need to be put back where they belong. They made Arizona adopt a MLK jr holiday and now a gay victory in business. I’ll bet the NFL has big trouble with the gay and “N-word” issues this year. The NFL could use a little nose twisting and maybe suffer some legal judgements for their intrusions into politics/culture.


24 posted on 02/26/2014 7:22:16 PM PST by batterycommander (a little more rubble, a lot less trouble)
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To: Reagan├ťberAlles

Hmmmm since you are not comparing apples and apples....

Being part of the KKK one would NEVER EVER ask an African American baker to do anything for them.

It is not explicitly stated in Jewish theology that one should not bake a cake for someone who hates you. And again no neo-NAZI would ever ask a Jew to bake for him.

Why shouldn’t a homosexual bake a cake for a Christian celebration?

Why shouldn’t a Christian baker bake a cake for a homosexual wedding?

Business is business. Baking a cake in exchange for money is what a baker does. It hardly violates their beliefs to do so with two male figures on top of the cake. Does this bake routinely ask if the couple getting married has had sex before marriage? Or if they are devout Christians? or if they are unequally yoked? Or if they have been living in sin before the nuptials?

Selective theology is a bad thing


25 posted on 02/26/2014 7:22:26 PM PST by Nifster
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To: skeeter

Good works require PEOPLE to be involved. You act as if ALL of the church’s donations would go to the government. You know that is not true.

If you need the tax exemption then what you are saying is that the government ALLOWS you to be a church. There are plenty of places through out the world where the government is actively anti-church, and yet the church thrives.

You need to broaden your vision


26 posted on 02/26/2014 7:25:02 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Nifster

>> Why shouldn’t a Christian baker bake a cake for a homosexual wedding?

Why should any particular Christian baker BE FORCED TO bake a cake for a homo?

Can’t the faggot just find a different baker to cater to his perversion?


27 posted on 02/26/2014 7:27:46 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Nifster

It is not about whether clients or customers are sinners. It’s about being forced to denigrate what to many religious people is a sacrament and one of the pillars of civilization. What’s so hard to understand?


28 posted on 02/26/2014 7:32:08 PM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Nifster
Business is business. Baking a cake in exchange for money is what a baker does. It hardly violates their beliefs to do so with two male figures on top of the cake. Does this bake routinely ask if the couple getting married has had sex before marriage? Or if they are devout Christians? or if they are unequally yoked? Or if they have been living in sin before the nuptials? Selective theology is a bad thing.

Good point. I remember here in Houston when the coach of The Rice University football team ruffled some feathers by saying he didn't want homosexuals on the football team. He gave as his reason that 'homosexuality is a sin'. However, I wondered at the time if he had a problem with the likely sin of his straight players having premarital sex with young co-eds.

29 posted on 02/26/2014 7:33:55 PM PST by Sans-Culotte (Psalm 14:1 ~ The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”)
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To: mark3681

Don’t get sidetracked by the gay issue. Obama and his minions are already way ahead of us, working on the next scenario of taking rights away from Christians. The gays are too stupid to realize they are merely being used.


30 posted on 02/26/2014 7:39:48 PM PST by bergmeid
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To: Sans-Culotte

That and the underaged drinking and probably some drug use and let’s not forget the cheating on exams so they can make the grade point requirement. Hypocrisy comes in many forms


31 posted on 02/26/2014 7:39:51 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Nifster

Why shouldn’t a Christian baker bake a cake for a homosexual wedding?

...well, because they don’t feel like doing so...which is the issue here, that the baker is being challenged on a business decision that is not impinging on the lesbians’ opportunity to have the cake produced at some other bakery...that it has come to the point when a bill is required to allow a business to make business decisions, good or bad, without facing undue government suasion, is insane...


32 posted on 02/26/2014 7:40:30 PM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: IrishBrigade

IF they were going to bake the cake UNTIL they found out that it was for a homosexual couple then my comments still stand.

IF they were booked or too busy or just didn’t feel like taking another order (regardless of who was ordering) then you might have a point


33 posted on 02/26/2014 7:42:41 PM PST by Nifster
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
"discrimination is discrimination"

I'm having a little problem understanding your response. I gather you think it's wrong for the religious bakers to deny a cake to the homosexual couple. Correct me if I'm wrong.

But would it be wrong for a Jewish bakery to refuse to bake a cake for a Nazi, Klan, or some other obnoxious group ceremony? Remember, all those groups, like the homosexuals, have rights under the constitution.

If a baker has to bake a cake for a homosexual wedding against his or hers religious beliefs, they have to bake one for anybody who wants one for any reason.

34 posted on 02/26/2014 7:45:53 PM PST by driftless2
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To: Nifster
I have no idea what you are arguing here.

Believe it or not churches need money to operate. Salaries for staff. Utility bills to keep the lights and heat on. Budgets for missions abroad. Food programs for the needy. Outreach programs in the inner city. It all takes money,

Currently they are granted non-profit status precisely because of the work they do in their communities.

Take that status away and a good portion of their tithes would go to paying property taxes and income taxes, instead of what they are currently spending them on - charity.

Go ahead and disagree if you want. I'm done.

35 posted on 02/26/2014 7:46:38 PM PST by skeeter
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To: lbryce

What about those establishments that would post signs like “We Reserve the Right to Refuse Service to Anyone at Anytime.” — there’s no rationale (other than property rights perhaps) to justify this cut & dry “discrimination.” Have these ever been the target of such intense litigation?


36 posted on 02/26/2014 7:48:29 PM PST by mikrofon (Founders BUMP)
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To: mikrofon

Good time for devout and out Christians to show up en masse to gay bars and other businesses and see what happens


37 posted on 02/26/2014 7:49:27 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

You misunderstand the legislation and the issue behind it.

This was driven by gay activists trying to force business owners to perform services for specifically gay functions and events, not supporting general refusal of services based on perceived sexual orientation.

The photographers, bakers and others at the heart of this have not indicated any reluctance to serve gay customers, but drew the lines at facilitating gay weddings. As a Jew, it would be like a Christian forcing you to perform a service for a specifically Christian function, even if it was against your beliefs as a Jew. If you, for instance, ran a deli, it would be like forcing you to provide pork products for a confirmation celebration.

This was not the right thing. It was a shredding of first amendment rights.


38 posted on 02/26/2014 7:50:26 PM PST by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Nifster
"No Nazi would ask a Jew to bake a cake"

How the heck do you know? But it doesn't have to be Jews. Many people dislike Nazis and would normally have nothing to do with them. But under this new law, whoever ran the bakery would have to bake the Nazi cake whether they detested the Nazis or not. Pandora's box.

39 posted on 02/26/2014 7:51:12 PM PST by driftless2
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To: Nifster

IF they were going to bake the cake UNTIL they found out that it was for a homosexual couple then my comments still stand.

...that is, in fact, the situation here...perhaps you could address my comment about a business facing governmental sanction by engaging in a perfectly legal business decision, and one in which the only negative result is to the business itself...again, this is the issue here...

...of course, if you believe it is the purview of a government to force a business to contract with specific individuals, then your comments stand as stated...


40 posted on 02/26/2014 7:53:17 PM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: Washi
I wish that conservatives would finally figure out: They're going to trash you regardless of what you do. You may as well do the right thing.

You broke the code. Well done.

41 posted on 02/26/2014 7:55:26 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Reagan├ťberAlles

>>Should an African-America baker have to bake a cake for a Klu Klux Klan celebration?

Interesting..when I have written about the libs trying to force the Fairness Doctrine into radio/TV etc I give this example:

“What if you’re black and own a radio station catering to blacks...and the Fairness Doctrine forces you to run programming put out by the KKK? Or you’re Jewish and the American Nazi Party demands you run their program?”


42 posted on 02/26/2014 7:57:34 PM PST by raccoonradio
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To: Sans-Culotte
You're still avoiding the problem of people be forced to bake a cake for something that violates their core beliefs. If I ran a bakery, I wouldn't care who wanted me to bake a cake...because I would never ask them if they were a homosexual, or a Nazi, or a Klan member.

But if somebody wanted me to bake them a cake for a ceremony or occasion that violated my conscience, I should not have to bake that cake. I'm not religious, but there are certain things I wouldn't do. If I ran a construction business, and some Nazis wanted me to build them a Nazi clubhouse or some other type of building, I think I should be able to say no to them without the law forcing me to do so.

43 posted on 02/26/2014 7:57:56 PM PST by driftless2
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
Discrimination is discrimination. How do you know if a customer is “gay” or not?

I see. Another genius who doesn't even know what the bill was about and clearly never came even close to reading the one page bill, but sees fit to spew BS about it anyway.

Thanks for your informed opinion. Try this on for size, einstein: If they ask you to do a cake for a homosexual wedding, they probably are "gay." Make sense?

44 posted on 02/26/2014 7:58:04 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: lbryce
Brewer said she made the decision she knew was right for Arizona.

Horse$h!t. The whole controversy boils down to protecting or curtailing freedom and liberty.

If mankind claims ANY behavior is beyond his control and falls under the heading of "born this way," he has no claim on liberty and must be controlled by the state.

These gay-rights bastards are willing to kill the tree of liberty just to keep people from looking at them funny.

45 posted on 02/26/2014 8:04:26 PM PST by papertyger ("refusing to draw an inescapable conclusion does not qualify as a 'difference of opinion.'")
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To: lbryce

46 posted on 02/26/2014 8:05:55 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: GeronL

"Good time for devout and out Christians to show up en masse to gay bars and other businesses and see what happens"

Yep. And if anything does happen, then start start suing away. Use the left's favorite tactic against them.

47 posted on 02/26/2014 8:09:06 PM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: lbryce

government has no right to force a private business owner to do anything , including who to deal with

if i own a business i don’t have to let in anyone i don’t want to . government can’t force me to . same for your other property like your house


48 posted on 02/26/2014 8:10:01 PM PST by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: Brown Deer

LOL...wonder if this will take off.


49 posted on 02/26/2014 8:10:24 PM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: skeeter

We have no real leader! Each time we think we have one, they end up deserting us.


50 posted on 02/26/2014 8:12:46 PM PST by potlatch ("Dream as if you'll live forever...Live as if you'll die today")
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