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Man who beheaded bus passenger should have more freedom: psychiatrist
The Canadian Press ^ | February 24, 2014 | The Canadian Press

Posted on 02/26/2014 8:04:57 PM PST by Auntie Mame

WINNIPEG -- A man who beheaded and then ate parts of a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus almost six years ago might soon be granted unescorted day trips outside his mental hospital.

Vince Li's psychiatrist says the one-time undiagnosed schizophrenic has not been violent, no longer suffers delusions and has made tremendous progress.

"From a clinical perspective, he has progressed excellently," Dr. Steven Kremer told a Criminal Code Review Board hearing Monday.

(Excerpt) Read more at ctvnews.ca ...


TOPICS: Canada; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cannibal; cannibalism; crazy; psychiatry
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I was doing some research at work today and Googled "psychiatrist times." I was looking for information on a magazine by that name (which turned out to be called "Psychiatry Times" but that is irrelevant to this story) and this is the first article that popped up. I burst out laughing right in the middle of the office.

By the way, if anyone here has any of the paper copies of this magazine from 2007 I sure would like to borrow them if possible. I'm looking for an advertisement, not an article, so even thought much of the magazine is online, the advertisements aren't.

1 posted on 02/26/2014 8:04:57 PM PST by Auntie Mame
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To: Auntie Mame


2 posted on 02/26/2014 8:07:56 PM PST by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Auntie Mame

They’re going to let him have one free murder/cannibalization mental wig-out.


3 posted on 02/26/2014 8:08:19 PM PST by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: Auntie Mame

I love these Doctors that are so willing to experiment on the general public with their “science projects”.

Now that he’s supposedly well, execute him.


4 posted on 02/26/2014 8:09:07 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Auntie Mame

To quote the Bard:

“All the world is a buffet, and all the men and women merely dishes.”


5 posted on 02/26/2014 8:12:37 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: Auntie Mame
I'm happy to see he's made such progress - guess he must now be fit to stand trial.

Sorry, I must have gotten a whiff of one of those funny cigarettes the locals are trying to legalize.



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6 posted on 02/26/2014 8:13:20 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 <center> <tab - St. Mlichael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Auntie Mame
WINNIPEG -- A man who beheaded and then ate parts of a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus almost six years ago might soon be granted unescorted day trips outside his mental hospital.

On the bus? Should we get him a bus pass? Do bus passes come in all-you-can-eat?

7 posted on 02/26/2014 8:13:22 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Auntie Mame

Yes
And Bill Clinton should have more Interns


8 posted on 02/26/2014 8:16:12 PM PST by Rock Eye Jack
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Okay, so if this psychiatrist wants to send this guy out in public, I think the guy should start with weekend visits to the psychiatrist’s home.


9 posted on 02/26/2014 8:16:24 PM PST by Kipp
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To: Auntie Mame

The Dr should be required to be with him on these excursions.


10 posted on 02/26/2014 8:17:18 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: headstamp 2

Exactly! Maybe the psychiatrist should take the guy home to spend a weekend with him and his family.

Insanity should not be a way to avoid punishment anyway. I don’t care if someone is crazier than an outhouse rat. If he is capable of committing a crime, he should pay the price.


11 posted on 02/26/2014 8:18:42 PM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Still Thinking

Maybe the relatives of his victims would like to take a little bus trip with him!?! A scenic tour of the remote parts of the province perhaps.


12 posted on 02/26/2014 8:19:39 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Auntie Mame
he has progressed excellently

What does that mean exactly? He now wants more choice cuts? Progressed to thee might not mean the same thing as progressed to me.

13 posted on 02/26/2014 8:25:18 PM PST by PistolPaknMama
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14 posted on 02/26/2014 8:26:41 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Auntie Mame

15 posted on 02/26/2014 8:27:04 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Auntie Mame

In the words of Rudyard Kipling

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you

That said, this Dr is out of his mind...Correct, they should move the whole psychiatric ward next door to him and his family.
Sorry to put his family in harms way, BUT he seems to have no problem putting society in harms way.

Few years ago some idiot tied up traffic for hours while ‘attempting’ to jump off the 95/495 bridge going between MD and VA. Naturally they had to disrupt traffic for hours.
He didn’t and ended up in a ‘home’ and a few years later his shrink asked to let him go back up to see what it was about etc...’They’ finally turned them down but did allow him to be escorted under the bridge.....

Who is worse, the patient or the (so called) curers?...


16 posted on 02/26/2014 8:30:28 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 --When you have them by the short hairs, the minds and hearts soon follow.)
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To: Auntie Mame

In the words of Rudyard Kipling

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you

That said, this Dr is out of his mind...Correct, they should move the whole psychiatric ward next door to him and his family.
Sorry to put his family in harms way, BUT he seems to have no problem putting society in harms way.

Few years ago some idiot tied up traffic for hours while ‘attempting’ to jump off the 95/495 bridge going between MD and VA. Naturally they had to disrupt traffic for hours.
He didn’t and ended up in a ‘home’ and a few years later his shrink asked to let him go back up to see what it was about etc...’They’ finally turned them down but did allow him to be escorted under the bridge.....

Who is worse, the patient or the (so called) curers?...


17 posted on 02/26/2014 8:31:28 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 --When you have them by the short hairs, the minds and hearts soon follow.)
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To: PistolPaknMama

apparently he now qualifies to leave the grounds for lunch


18 posted on 02/26/2014 8:32:43 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: Auntie Mame

If he is better now he should start his prison sentence.


19 posted on 02/26/2014 8:33:04 PM PST by greatvikingone
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To: headstamp 2
When I watch reruns of the Untouchables and the narrator at the show's conclusion mentions the character was executed on a certain date....then I read stories such as this about the "progressive" society of today.
20 posted on 02/26/2014 8:34:31 PM PST by ConservativeStatement ("World Peace 1.20.09.")
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To: Auntie Mame

I still can’t figure out why they didn’t shoot him on the spot like rabid skunk. He is an animal and every breath of air he breaths is a waste of good air.


21 posted on 02/26/2014 8:36:56 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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Cut him loose in the psychiatrist’s neighborhood. /s


22 posted on 02/26/2014 8:40:32 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Auntie Mame

Canada needs the death penalty.


23 posted on 02/26/2014 8:50:28 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Auntie Mame

Most definitely he needs freedom from his cell.

How about a nice warm swim in a So. Florida swamp. Let the alligators sort it out!


24 posted on 02/26/2014 8:53:49 PM PST by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: Auntie Mame

When released psychopaths go off their meds...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0124102/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_16


25 posted on 02/26/2014 8:59:38 PM PST by Birdsbane ("Onward through the fog!" ... Oat Willie)
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To: headstamp 2

“I love these Doctors that are so willing to experiment on the general public with their “science projects”

Well, a good compromise would be for the doctors have these people stay with their families for a few weeks before unleashing them on the public, as sort of a ‘trial run’. I wouldn’t expect the doctors to do this for free of course, so some allowance for room and board would be provided.


26 posted on 02/26/2014 9:01:29 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Auntie Mame

“Can you hear the rabbits, Clarice?”


27 posted on 02/26/2014 9:08:18 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Auntie Mame
A man who beheaded and then ate parts of a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus almost six years ago....

Well after six years,I'm sure he MUST be hungry again by now!

28 posted on 02/26/2014 9:23:32 PM PST by massmike (If I like my tagline,I can keep it! Obama said so..........)
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To: Auntie Mame

95% of psychiatrists themselves are nuts - so don’t be surprised if they think a cannibal murderer is perfectly sane.


29 posted on 02/26/2014 9:27:19 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Auntie Mame
The victim's mother, however, said Li should remain locked up for life.

She obviously hates Asians. It's that racism, every time.

30 posted on 02/26/2014 9:58:57 PM PST by TChad (The Obamacare motto: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.)
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To: Auntie Mame
If I were the judge, I'd allow it... The requirement being that the criminal would have to stay at the home of Dr. Steven Kremer, and Dr. Kremer would be held responsible for the actions of the criminal.

Mark

31 posted on 02/26/2014 10:37:25 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Kipp
I think the guy should start with weekend visits to the psychiatrist’s home.

I think he should car pool with him...and let the guy ride behind the shrink.

32 posted on 02/26/2014 10:44:06 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Auntie Mame

Alaska fixed this a long time ago. Try to use the insanity defense and you’re locked up in a mental hospital until cured. Then you start your jail time. Now nobody tries to use the insanity defense any more. Now is that a miracle or what?!


33 posted on 02/26/2014 10:56:21 PM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Auntie Mame

Well Doc if you want him out I suggest you take him to your home.


34 posted on 02/26/2014 11:03:59 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
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To: AlaskaErik
Alaska fixed this a long time ago. Try to use the insanity defense and you’re locked up in a mental hospital until cured. Then you start your jail time. Now nobody tries to use the insanity defense any more. Now is that a miracle or what?!

LOL. Yes, interesting how that's worked out. It's actually logical, too. I guess some distance from the insanity in the lower 48 keeps the population's mental faculties acute.

35 posted on 02/26/2014 11:04:19 PM PST by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: Auntie Mame

More freedom? He should be dead. Can’t fix evil.


36 posted on 02/26/2014 11:41:53 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Steely Tom

Obamacare, Canadian-style. Don’t you just love it?


37 posted on 02/27/2014 12:01:32 AM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

I worked behavioral training with a guy who killed 3.. he had a severe pica disorder....liked to eat ...almost anything.bags of bolts,wood blocks,cans,toes,fingers,ears.my hat....he weighed 400+...was about 6’2”...and very fast when he wanted to be....I had to bring him 2am out to hospital once...his 1600mg of thora-daze wasnt working...for some reason..............out in public....I think he was a danger to anyone smaller than him....I dont think he hates people in general...............some of them just look tasty.....I worked w him for 4 yrs...That night in at jackson memorial in the middle of miami..I will not forget.

Sure ...the Dr. will try to show off the effectiveness of his wonderful treatment....and someone might suffer for it....and the Dr.might have to write a book about it...or at least a clinical study.....probly work some funding into the picture too....baseline a new med?......ect....

oh well


38 posted on 02/27/2014 1:14:28 AM PST by Therapsid
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To: Auntie Mame

Dr. Kremer needs to be in PRISON just for THINKING this murdering cannibal should be out in the public.


39 posted on 02/27/2014 1:23:07 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Auntie Mame

I don’t wanna go on any day trips with him!!! I remember reading about this when it happened. It was horrific. The poor, young innocent man had on head phones and had his eyes closed when this thing did what he did. I think the innocent young man was travelling home from a summer job if I recall correctly. I should try to find a pic of him and post his name to honour him. If there was any justice in the Northern Americas, the beast that killed him would be long gone.


40 posted on 02/27/2014 2:10:17 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: Auntie Mame

From 2009: What a difference a few years make!

Man who beheaded bus passenger should be kept locked up, board hears
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2262702/posts


41 posted on 02/27/2014 2:12:23 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: Auntie Mame; All

Mother of Tim McLean ends petition to change law

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/mother-of-tim-mclean-ends-petition-to-change-law-1.2502104


42 posted on 02/27/2014 2:21:11 AM PST by beaversmom
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From 2009: (Name extracted) MURDERER not criminally responsible for beheading

Tim McLean, 22, is shown here in a picture from the social
networking site Facebook. (www.facebook.com)

RIP to Tim McLean

43 posted on 02/27/2014 2:25:19 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: Auntie Mame

Also, his request to carry a machete should be granted.


44 posted on 02/27/2014 2:50:37 AM PST by Right Wing Assault
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To: Auntie Mame
these "doctors" should be de-certified (cause: morons)
by the state Board (other/more morons?).

45 posted on 02/27/2014 2:53:20 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: Auntie Mame

How’s that poor kid faring? How’s he recovering from being decapitated while sleeping on a bus trip? Oh, that’s right. He’s still dead. Rest in peace. That murderer should never leave incarceration.


46 posted on 02/27/2014 3:25:51 AM PST by OldNewYork
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To: OldNewYork

Let the good doctor take him home for dinner. Perhaps that should be rephrased since the good doctor may BECCOME dinner.


47 posted on 02/27/2014 4:01:29 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: AlaskaErik
Alaska fixed this a long time ago. Try to use the insanity defense and you’re locked up in a mental hospital until cured. Then you start your jail time. Now nobody tries to use the insanity defense any more. Now is that a miracle or what?!

This subject came up in the Quincy show many years ago (a fiction series about a medical examiner). I recall that Dr. Quincy went on a fairly long tirade about how a verdict selection in trials should be, "Insane, but guilty", rather than "Not guilty by reason of insanity." Such a verdict would keep these animals off the streets regardless of how they do in a mental hospital.

48 posted on 02/27/2014 4:39:18 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Pining_4_TX
If he is capable of committing a crime, he should pay the price.

Bingo, we have a winner !!

49 posted on 02/27/2014 8:51:03 AM PST by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: Auntie Mame

My demand:

This ‘doctor’ can take this creep home-—to his own home., with HIS wife and His children.

He can provide beds, sheets, showers,towels, food, dishes, & utensils for this person the ‘doctor’ thinks if no longer violent.

He can provide heat, water, entertainment-—all the things the rest of us PAY for with our own earnings.

I don’t want ANY such dangerous person put into the general population of the community.

The only way I would let this happen is IF the ‘doctor’ was responsible for this person—forever!!!

Anything that goes wrong goes against the ‘doctor’.

Let him put his safety & money his license where his mouth is!


50 posted on 02/27/2014 8:55:19 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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