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[MN] Antibullying bill raises troubling questions
Mpls. Star Tribune ^ | 2/26/14 | Katherine Kersten

Posted on 02/27/2014 3:37:51 AM PST by rhema

This top-down, statewide measure stems from political correctness — not protection.

“Antibullying” legislation is a top priority for DFL leaders at the Capitol this year. In the last session, their bill got hung up in the Senate, and they appear determined to muscle it through this time around.

Bullying is wrong. No child should have to put up with it.

But a glance at the bill raises troubling questions. Why doesn’t it protect all children equally, instead of singling out for favored treatment children of “protected classes,” such as race, sexual orientation, and “gender identity and expression”? Why are traditional victims of bullying, like kids who are timid or viewed as nerds, invisible in this bill?

Why does the bill give the Minnesota Department of Education power to reduce or withhold state aid to districts it views as failing to create a sufficiently “positive school climate” for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender students and for those with “gender identity and expression” issues?

Why is it likely that — under the umbrella of bullying prevention — you may soon find that your daughter is studying LGBT demographic trends and famous scientists’ sexual orientation and that your son can join the girls’ basketball team if his “gender identity” inclines him that way?

Here’s the answer: The bill — misleadingly named the “Safe and Supportive Minnesota Schools Act” — is not primarily about preventing bullying. It’s driven instead by a political/cultural agenda that’s not so much about stopping bad behavior as it is about using the machinery of state education to compel children to adopt politically correct attitudes on human sexuality and alternative family structures.

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: dfl; homosexualagenda

1 posted on 02/27/2014 3:37:51 AM PST by rhema
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To: rhema

Why can the undocumented Communist-Moslem Obama
and his DO”J” and his evil IR”S” bully, endlessly?


2 posted on 02/27/2014 3:41:41 AM PST by Diogenesis
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To: rhema

Anti bulling has nothing to do with protecting a shy kid or protecting a white kid being attacked by blacks...its all about muting any criticism of open sexual deviants.


3 posted on 02/27/2014 3:44:02 AM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: rhema

Any of these bills that use the term “sexual orientation” need to be referred to as “Pedophile Protection Acts.” Force these libs to define “SEXUAL ORIENTATION.” Pedophiles are becoming a “protected” class of people with all of these laws that are being put on the books. A pedophile is “sexually oriented” to go after children.


4 posted on 02/27/2014 3:50:20 AM PST by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals crazy!)
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To: rhema

The anti-bullying craze is part of the homosexual agenda. It will be used against Christian kids who dare say that homosexuality is a sin.


5 posted on 02/27/2014 3:57:57 AM PST by almcbean
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To: almcbean

The bill makes Christianity = bullying


6 posted on 02/27/2014 4:08:05 AM PST by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: rhema

This is not about bullying. It is about promoting homosexuality to children. Plain and simple.


7 posted on 02/27/2014 4:15:59 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: rhema
Bullying is a part of growing up.
They should keep their hands and laws OFF of our kids.

Is it wrong?

That's kind'a like venial and mortal sin ... it can be really bad ... and ... not so bad.

I was bullied a lot in my lower grades because I was a quiet, geeky/nerdy lookin' kid that never learned to fight or even to defend myself (I'll publically analyze myself another time)

I started fighting back in Junior High ... got my ass kicked more than I kicked ... but I learned.

High school and beyond was basically uneventful ... to this day.

Being bullied pissed me off more than it hurt, and the embarassment of crying in front of girls is ... I don't want to remember.

Suffice it to be true ... bullying is part of growing up ....

especially for the bully that gets some sense later on in life.

8 posted on 02/27/2014 4:22:42 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: rhema

Why are traditional victims of bullying, like kids who are timid or viewed as nerds, invisible in this bill?

Very true. They are bullied more than any other group. Although I suppose being a nerd and possibly gay could be one in the same for SOME kids. The government is more out of control by the day.


9 posted on 02/27/2014 4:37:54 AM PST by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: almcbean

I remember the days when kids just wanted to learn and not worry about all this society junk. Let the kids be kids. I went to Catholic School and never heard a child say that homosexuality is a sin…..Do you want to know why? Because we had no idea what the heck homosexuality was. I graduated high school in 1987 and kids did not discuss such things. Times were much better back then when homosexuality was not a common word.


10 posted on 02/27/2014 4:40:24 AM PST by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: rhema

Minnesota: Run by communists and Somali terrorists


11 posted on 02/27/2014 4:41:55 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: rhema

If you want to prevent bullying, allow self defense. Else, this facilitates bullying.


12 posted on 02/27/2014 4:42:59 AM PST by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: knarf

got my ass kicked more than I kicked

Me too, but I got sick of that after awhile and really started to concentrate and fight back. However, after a few fights that I won, it was over and never have hit another person since 7th grade. Growing up is not for the weak for sure. Why can’t people say, “buck up” like they did when we were growing up. We are really raising a bunch of weaklings and I am talking from birth with all the safety precautions we put on children today. Good Lord how did we survive childhood? A broken leg or arm is practically out of the question today.


13 posted on 02/27/2014 4:43:27 AM PST by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: rhema

The heart of bullying is collectivism.


14 posted on 02/27/2014 4:46:20 AM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: reasonisfaith

Collectivism requires bullying.


15 posted on 02/27/2014 4:46:52 AM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: napscoordinator

I was 15 years sooner and there was lots of bullying-the nuns bullied the students!


16 posted on 02/27/2014 5:05:44 AM PST by almcbean
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To: missnry

NAMBLA protection? How can these asshats put crap like this forward when the prime example of bullying “lies” with the “lyin’ king” and his ilk?


17 posted on 02/27/2014 5:28:26 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme),unemployment will necessarily skyrocket! Despite the % dropping. Period.)
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To: rhema

I can’t believe the Red Star would print this, other than they are safe in their belief that the liberal loons in Mpls will uniformly disapprove of K.K.’s POV.


18 posted on 02/27/2014 5:42:52 AM PST by MNnice
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To: Darren McCarty

Bingo!

My son is a big kid — “fat” would be more accurate. He is also one of the sweetest, kindest kids you’ll ever meet. And as he’s grown up, his body has caught up, so that that fat kid from grade school is now a 260-pound offensive guard playing varsity as a sophomore. He was teased unmercifully when he was younger, even by twits he could crush with one hand (he’s always been crazy strong). I told him to go ahead and bust some of those bullies in the mouth, and that that would shut them up fast enough. He said he couldn’t do that because the school had a “zero tolerance” policy toward violence.

So I went to the school and said one of two things was going to happen: either THEY were going to protect my son or he was going to protect himself. They repeated their zero-tolerance policy and I said I was prepared to see my son suspended, but I was not prepared to see him go through hell every day to protect a bunch of PC pussies.

I wish I could say that solved the problem — and it did help — but eventually the bullies and my son all outgrew it. But I know the experience scarred him and he still suffers because of it.

This legislation will do nothing to address situations like my son’s. But it will place a bubble of smug superiority around fags, dykes, gangsta wannabes, and in-your-face losers. And it will bring us one step closer to Thought Crime.


19 posted on 02/27/2014 5:48:36 AM PST by IronJack
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To: knarf

Being bullied pissed me off more than it hurt, and the embarassment of crying in front of girls is ... I don’t want to remember.

...Good God, man, you cried in front of girls...?

Suffice it to be true ... bullying is part of growing up

...absolutely it is...in my day, there were dysfunctional greasers who made their bones pushing people around...and this pissed me off no end...but to push back meant never ending retaliation, and my calculated response was to ride it out, and that was right...I was more hurt by my so-called comrades, who could turn on a dime against me, and subject me to torments, but such is the nature of callow youth...

...that cultural engineering is going on by lawgivers to achieve desired social results...well, this has been going on since cavemen decided to pool their efforts in order to distribute the burden of making a living...


20 posted on 02/27/2014 6:10:14 AM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: IrishBrigade
Like I said, I wasn't tough, never learned to fight (which also means controlling tears) and ... ya ... it happened.

This is all prepuscent ... it was in the teens and Junior High that I started to 'man up' ... wasn't good at it ... but I DID man up

The rest is as how we all remember ... those that dare to remember.


The bottom line of all remarks to this thread is;

Leave the kids alone.

Protection from gangs and getting shot has nothing to do with bullying ... THOSE're criminal offenses.

I handled failure and defeat and embarassment and all the negatives and learned success and winning and inner/outer strength.

It's the American way to allow defeat and losing ... it's how we win.


It makes us better lovers of our women.

21 posted on 02/27/2014 6:39:15 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: rhema

This bill, rather than being anti-bullying, actually empowers bullies. It gives homosexual bullies the power to accuse any other kid of “bullying” them, under their own subjective judgement, and use the force of the state to clobber them.

At least with traditional bullies you could bust em in the mouth and put an end to the harassment. With these bullies, no retaliation will be allowed.


22 posted on 02/27/2014 6:52:40 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: knarf

It’s the American way to allow defeat and losing ... it’s how we win...

...you use the incorrect verb tense in your comment...the present ‘is’ must be replaced by the preterit ‘was’...now your comment is correct...

...although I allow that you are partly correct, in that a certain subset remains subject to your above tenet...to wit, straight white boys...


23 posted on 02/27/2014 7:06:30 AM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: rhema
Seriously, I want to know who actually believes this idiotic law will actually be a point of concern among 12 year old kids who are bullies.

Everyone has a bully story and everyone already knows there is only one way to deal with the problem... and anyone with a lick of common sense knows full well that the one thing kids are the least interested in is how adults want them to behave. That leaves one thought in the end: there is a bigger agenda at work here and I think the Freepers are correct... this is about the homo agenda and that includes making sure only leftist ideals can be promoted while Christian ideals are suppressed.

I've always avoided it because I didn't think we could do it, but home schooling is starting to become a very serious consideration in my mind.

24 posted on 02/27/2014 7:13:50 AM PST by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: IrishBrigade
You're welcome to join us tonight at our seance ...

We'll be resurrecting Norman Rockwell


Thanx (yeah .. I know ... misspelled ) ...

All corrections received graciously

25 posted on 02/27/2014 7:15:49 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Boogieman

At least with traditional bullies you could bust em in the mouth and put an end to the harassment.

...I disagree with that to a degree...it would work on some, not on others...

With these bullies, no retaliation will be allowed.

...and when the beneficiaries of these bullies’ largesse (basically girls and gays) fully realize the power they have to destroy someone over a middling offense, social structure will end, as we know it...


26 posted on 02/27/2014 7:18:00 AM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: knarf

We’ll be resurrecting Norman Rockwell

...the way things are going, we may have to revivify George Lincoln Rockwell instead...

...just joking, just joking...don’t anyone report me...


27 posted on 02/27/2014 7:21:53 AM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: IrishBrigade
Hokey smoke, Bullwinkle ... I thought you were kidding !

I wonder how many know

(I didn't)

28 posted on 02/27/2014 7:26:37 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: FunkyZero

I’ve always avoided it because I didn’t think we could do it, but home schooling is starting to become a very serious consideration in my mind.

...do you seriously believe that homeschooling, should it attain any type of sustainable foothold in our society, will be allowed to stand by the government education politburo...that the teacher’s unions and local school boards will not stop it in its tracks, or that they will not have the power to do so...

...we continue our descent into oblivion...and we keep deluding ourselves as we do so...


29 posted on 02/27/2014 7:29:10 AM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: rhema

I continually am amazed that Katherine Kersten has managed to avoid the PC police at the Strib. She is the only columnist there who has any credibility with me. I can rely on her to cut through all the gobbledegook of liberal double talk.


30 posted on 02/27/2014 7:32:36 AM PST by Gumdrop (Q)
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To: rhema

Hilarity. Anti-bullying law moves forward while militant gay bullies strike bully anyone passing anti-bullying laws to protect the religous.


31 posted on 02/27/2014 8:28:05 AM PST by Organic Panic
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To: IrishBrigade

It’s already gained a foothold, and families prepared to fight like mad dogs to keep that right. In the worst case, some territories or states would be more friendly than others, as is now the case, and I could see a “free states/slave states” situation setting up.

That, and homeschooling gets the most “troublesome” families out of the system, from the viewpoint of the teaching establishment. An aggressive, all-out pursuit could lead to the current cold civil war getting very hot indeed.


32 posted on 02/27/2014 1:53:47 PM PST by coydog (Time to feed the pigs!)
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