Skip to comments.Thieves Break Into Cars Using Mysterious ‘Black Box’
Posted on 02/27/2014 10:04:29 PM PST by Kartographer
A mysterious device is being used by criminals to easily break into locked cars across the country, including here in Chicago. It has police stumped, CNN is reporting.
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I would venture it is a code scanner that reads the code to unlock the car. Aren’t computers great!
Maybe they should use a mechanical locking mechanism. The car manufacturer could install these mechanical devices and provide two or three “keys” that would be needed to unlock them.
“Maybe they should use a mechanical locking mechanism.”
Just go back to what we had for 75+ years!!!
One would think it would be rather trivial to do, if one has the proper equipment to ‘listen’ and transmit.
I went to a casino in MS years ago. I dont gamble, so I just walked around. I saw a guy with a little rectangular black box, and he was waving it low, and in front of various slot machines,and when he did theyd jackpot.
Hanging horse thieves!
That’s what it is. Don’t the police watch those Repo Man shows? And they’re supposed to be protecting US...lol
no, key locks, and if necessary offset pins that are unpickable!!
It’s also simple to design around slim jim’s.
Return to hanging thieves of transportation and vehicles of work should start immediatly!
If so I'll bet they have the codes for only some makes and years. They cannot steal any automobile.
> I went to a casino in MS years ago. I dont gamble, so I just walked around. I saw a guy with a little rectangular black box, and he was waving it low, and in front of various slot machines,and when he did theyd jackpot.
I guarantee that didn’t last long unless it was a casino employee himself..I’ve heard that the organized crime sydnicates have used programmers to write programs for their slot machines for years now. In fact, I think some federal crimininal or civil cases have been filed because of it if my memory serves correct.
That is called a replay attack. Doesn't work with any remotely modern system.
When embedded systems engineers go bad....
Somebody with Onstar connections?
I remember cars with starter buttons on the floor (still have a pickup with one—and the crank behind the seat), and the lock was only something you used when you went to town—if you remembered to bring the key.
Mysterious? Key codes are published.
What’s the surprise. Our kids have been cracking copy protection schemes for years now. Or Who’s to say it’s not faulty encryption with back door?
This will combine nicely with what has been going on around here lately. I suppose it’s been in other areas for awhile, but it was “new” to us:
Thieves have been breaking into cars at events that they know will last for several hours (concerts, etc.). They take the garage door opener, along with the car registration (which one is required to have at all times). They drive to the address, use the opener, and clean out the house.
This resulted in a bizarre press conference, where the police spokesman basically told people to break the law by not carrying around the vehicle registration or insurance information with an address listed. At least one woman was injured when she arrived home “early” and surprised the thieves.
It is a trick to get us all to ride the bus and use bicycle lanes.
I seem to remember a starter switch built into the shift lever on a column mounted shifter. Just pull back, sort of like dimmer switches today. I had a 1941 Nash that had a station changer for the radio mounted on the floorboard like a dimmer switch.
Even easier it to record the signal as you get out of your car and lock it with the key fob, the code is merely a high frequency sound.
If you lock your keys in the car and the wife has an opener just call her on your cell phone and ask her to send the code over the phone, works I have done it.
Might be helpful if when you get out of your car always set the lock manually and not with the remote, might help.
They don't care. That's why they are the last to know about the latest tricks.
Broad Band Infrared transmitter and your electronic lock system goes “Click”.
I’d surmise that the locks are not made to resist brute-force attempts to discover their codes (as by shutting out further attempts for a significant period of time after an invalid attempt).
Convenience would possibly suggest this characteristic, so that someone else with the same frequency door-opener using it within receiving distance of yours will not deny you electronic access to your own lock. But it would be good to allow the car owner to program his own lock-out time. Even a lock-out time of 1-2 seconds would make it harder for such an e-burglar if he has to deal with millions of possible codes.
Is that like the riddle of the Sphynx... if you don’t answer correctly the car will run over you?
One could always carry that paper around personally and see to it that anyone else who is authorized to drive the car does so as well.
My first three cars had ‘em.
—They were old cars even then :)
“Ive heard that the organized crime sydnicates have used programmers to write programs for their slot machines for years now. In fact, I think some federal crimininal or civil cases have been filed because of it if my memory serves correct.”
Having worked for a company that builds video slot machines I can tell you that embedded code to rig the machines would be discovered — most likely before the first game of its type was “approved”. The code must be supplied beforehand and working prototypes are extensively tested. Plus everyone connected with the manufacture & sale goes thru a thorough & I mean thorough background check. Get caught attempting it and you’re banned for life every where.
Gaming is a lucrative business but the barriers to entry in the marketplace are high.
>> When embedded systems engineers go bad....
Most of us are born bad. Or at least with a couple screws loose. Onthejobtraining brings it on home. :-)
>> get us all to ride the bus and use bicycle lanes
If the bus uses the bicycle lane, I want to be on the bus and not on the bicycle. ;-)
Me, teacher! Pick me!
The key fobs transmit a digital code that the onboard computer reads. the code is never the same twice in a row and changes according to a pseudo random scheme that is synched between the onboard computer and the fobs. Further, a large number of different pseudo random algorithms are used, so that if by chance one fob syncs with the wrong vehicle one time it won't do it a second time. Anything breaking that has either insider information or an extremely sophisticated computer program. I'd bet on insider information from someplace like onstar. Further a rheostat is just a variable resistor. Who would that change a transmitter frequency?
“And theyre supposed to be protecting US...lol”
It’s Chicago...they’re probably in on it
What a font of total misinformation
not much of a mystery.. a news crew in canada has one. Don’t police do their job any more (you know. check around and see what they can turn up. It was the top hit on google for me)
digging more, one site blames.. curry light bulbs.. I knew there was more reasons to hate them than mercury.
curly light bulbs.. sorry.. early morning yet for me. send coffee.
Car dealers have similar devices. Probably not much effort to create an electronic skeleton key.
Brilliant.....I love the smell of sarcasm in the morning.
I’ll bet that if you disconnect your battery, or pull the door lock fuse, these crooks would be mystified as to how you defeated their wonder box...
My Mercedes van has one, it’s called a key fob. You press the button and the door unlocks.
You press it twice and all doors unlock
“Further, a large number of different pseudo random algorithms are used, so that if by chance one fob syncs with the wrong vehicle one time it won’t do it a second time. “
Just got back from a business trip in Tampa. At the hotel, after checking out at 5am, we used the key fob to unlock the rental car. Our car, AND the car next to us bot unlocked, and they were different models.
We did it 5 times in a row because it freaked us out. It was still dark, and the tail lights of the car next to us came on, which surprised us. We did it again, thinking someone else was doing it or someone was in that car. Nope. Just us.
We knew it should be impossible, but there you go.
“Even easier it to record the signal as you get out of your car and lock it with the key fob, the code is merely a high frequency sound.”
This is what is confusing me about this story; my 98 F Bird system uses a new code on every try. This box must get into the greater computer somehow. Maybe a level of software that isn’t on a ‘98.
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