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Thieves Break Into Cars Using Mysterious ‘Black Box’
CBS Chicago ^ | 2/27/14

Posted on 02/27/2014 10:04:29 PM PST by Kartographer

A mysterious device is being used by criminals to easily break into locked cars across the country, including here in Chicago. It has police stumped, CNN is reporting.

(Excerpt) Read more at chicago.cbslocal.com ...


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1 posted on 02/27/2014 10:04:29 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

Video:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/l7OadDz3Ums


2 posted on 02/27/2014 10:05:03 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Racist?


3 posted on 02/27/2014 10:10:29 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Kartographer

I would venture it is a code scanner that reads the code to unlock the car. Aren’t computers great!


4 posted on 02/27/2014 10:11:37 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Kartographer

Maybe they should use a mechanical locking mechanism. The car manufacturer could install these mechanical devices and provide two or three “keys” that would be needed to unlock them.


5 posted on 02/27/2014 10:13:36 PM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Eclipse, the sequel to Bright Horizons is out! Get it now!)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

“Maybe they should use a mechanical locking mechanism.”

Just go back to what we had for 75+ years!!!


6 posted on 02/27/2014 10:17:50 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Mastador1

One would think it would be rather trivial to do, if one has the proper equipment to ‘listen’ and transmit.


7 posted on 02/27/2014 10:20:50 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Kartographer

I went to a casino in MS years ago. I don’t gamble, so I just walked around. I saw a guy with a little rectangular black box, and he was waving it low, and in front of various slot machines,and when he did they’d “jackpot”.


8 posted on 02/27/2014 10:30:02 PM PST by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: dalereed
Just go back to what we had for 75+ years!!!

Hanging horse thieves!

9 posted on 02/27/2014 10:30:15 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Mastador1

That’s what it is. Don’t the police watch those Repo Man shows? And they’re supposed to be protecting US...lol


10 posted on 02/27/2014 10:33:49 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Smokin' Joe

no, key locks, and if necessary offset pins that are unpickable!!

It’s also simple to design around slim jim’s.

Return to hanging thieves of transportation and vehicles of work should start immediatly!


11 posted on 02/27/2014 10:34:21 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Mastador1
I would venture it is a code scanner that reads the code to unlock the car. Aren’t computers great!

If so I'll bet they have the codes for only some makes and years. They cannot steal any automobile.

12 posted on 02/27/2014 10:37:53 PM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: sockmonkey

> I went to a casino in MS years ago. I don’t gamble, so I just walked around. I saw a guy with a little rectangular black box, and he was waving it low, and in front of various slot machines,and when he did they’d “jackpot”.

I guarantee that didn’t last long unless it was a casino employee himself..I’ve heard that the organized crime sydnicates have used programmers to write programs for their slot machines for years now. In fact, I think some federal crimininal or civil cases have been filed because of it if my memory serves correct.


13 posted on 02/27/2014 10:38:56 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: KoRn
One would think it would be rather trivial to do, if one has the proper equipment to ‘listen’ and transmit.

That is called a replay attack. Doesn't work with any remotely modern system.

14 posted on 02/27/2014 10:48:10 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: Kartographer

When embedded systems engineers go bad....


15 posted on 02/27/2014 11:09:21 PM PST by Bobalu (Happiness is a fast ISR)
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To: Kartographer

Somebody with Onstar connections?


16 posted on 02/27/2014 11:12:37 PM PST by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: Mastador1
Seems to me, that all you would need is a rheostat controlled generator to run through the entire band.....just crank the knob until the locks open.
17 posted on 02/27/2014 11:15:42 PM PST by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: dalereed

I remember cars with starter buttons on the floor (still have a pickup with one—and the crank behind the seat), and the lock was only something you used when you went to town—if you remembered to bring the key.


18 posted on 02/27/2014 11:23:33 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Yes indeed....


19 posted on 02/27/2014 11:40:23 PM PST by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: cynwoody
A decent challenge/response wrapped in a an AES crypto should be sufficient to secure door locks. I was using something similar on a project for a major car manufacturer in 2001.
20 posted on 02/27/2014 11:56:14 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Smokin' Joe
Jeez, these days I wonder how many remember the dimmer switch on the floor...
21 posted on 02/28/2014 12:05:34 AM PST by 867V309 (Obammy = LIAR)
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To: Kartographer

Mysterious? Key codes are published.


22 posted on 02/28/2014 12:26:19 AM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: Kartographer

What’s the surprise. Our kids have been cracking copy protection schemes for years now. Or Who’s to say it’s not faulty encryption with back door?


23 posted on 02/28/2014 12:28:44 AM PST by Usagi_yo (Standardization is an Evolutionary dead end.)
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To: Kartographer

This will combine nicely with what has been going on around here lately. I suppose it’s been in other areas for awhile, but it was “new” to us:

Thieves have been breaking into cars at events that they know will last for several hours (concerts, etc.). They take the garage door opener, along with the car registration (which one is required to have at all times). They drive to the address, use the opener, and clean out the house.

This resulted in a bizarre press conference, where the police spokesman basically told people to break the law by not carrying around the vehicle registration or insurance information with an address listed. At least one woman was injured when she arrived home “early” and surprised the thieves.


24 posted on 02/28/2014 12:42:35 AM PST by garandgal
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To: Kartographer

It is a trick to get us all to ride the bus and use bicycle lanes.


25 posted on 02/28/2014 1:02:17 AM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (I am the Tea Party bully who took Mitch McConnell's milk money.)
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To: 867V309
How many remember the starter under the foot feed, or the starter switch under the clutch pedal? All these modern cars now have a push button on the dash, most of the cars I remember when I was a kid had those, along with a steering column lock that needed a key to lock or unlock, but most were rarely used.

I seem to remember a starter switch built into the shift lever on a column mounted shifter. Just pull back, sort of like dimmer switches today. I had a 1941 Nash that had a station changer for the radio mounted on the floorboard like a dimmer switch.

26 posted on 02/28/2014 1:12:09 AM PST by itsahoot (Voting for RINOs is the same as voting for any other Tyrant)
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To: Usagi_yo
Or Who’s to say it’s not faulty encryption with back door?

Even easier it to record the signal as you get out of your car and lock it with the key fob, the code is merely a high frequency sound.

If you lock your keys in the car and the wife has an opener just call her on your cell phone and ask her to send the code over the phone, works I have done it.

Might be helpful if when you get out of your car always set the lock manually and not with the remote, might help.

27 posted on 02/28/2014 1:20:28 AM PST by itsahoot (Voting for RINOs is the same as voting for any other Tyrant)
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To: jsanders2001
Don’t the police watch those Repo Man shows? And they’re supposed to be protecting US...lol

They don't care. That's why they are the last to know about the latest tricks.

28 posted on 02/28/2014 2:05:02 AM PST by Right Wing Assault
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To: Kartographer

ping


29 posted on 02/28/2014 2:16:45 AM PST by VaRepublican (I would propagate taglines but I don't know how. But bloggers do.)
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To: Kartographer

Broad Band Infrared transmitter and your electronic lock system goes “Click”.


30 posted on 02/28/2014 2:21:41 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: dennisw

I’d surmise that the locks are not made to resist brute-force attempts to discover their codes (as by shutting out further attempts for a significant period of time after an invalid attempt).

Convenience would possibly suggest this characteristic, so that someone else with the same frequency door-opener using it within receiving distance of yours will not deny you electronic access to your own lock. But it would be good to allow the car owner to program his own lock-out time. Even a lock-out time of 1-2 seconds would make it harder for such an e-burglar if he has to deal with millions of possible codes.


31 posted on 02/28/2014 2:31:41 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Myrddin

Is that like the riddle of the Sphynx... if you don’t answer correctly the car will run over you?


32 posted on 02/28/2014 2:33:11 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: garandgal

One could always carry that paper around personally and see to it that anyone else who is authorized to drive the car does so as well.


33 posted on 02/28/2014 2:36:20 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: 867V309

(Hand up)

My first three cars had ‘em.

—They were old cars even then :)


34 posted on 02/28/2014 2:40:58 AM PST by ExGeeEye (The enemy's gate is down...and to the left.)
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To: jsanders2001

“I’ve heard that the organized crime sydnicates have used programmers to write programs for their slot machines for years now. In fact, I think some federal crimininal or civil cases have been filed because of it if my memory serves correct.”

Having worked for a company that builds video slot machines I can tell you that embedded code to rig the machines would be discovered — most likely before the first game of its type was “approved”. The code must be supplied beforehand and working prototypes are extensively tested. Plus everyone connected with the manufacture & sale goes thru a thorough & I mean thorough background check. Get caught attempting it and you’re banned for life every where.

Gaming is a lucrative business but the barriers to entry in the marketplace are high.


35 posted on 02/28/2014 3:12:00 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: Smokin' Joe
Hanging horse thieves!
 yeah, I can live with that, but in our genteel society, you can't just string 'em up,
catch 'em in the act; then give' em a trial, then string 'em up, twirl 'em around/
show 'em the town from up high (decorate the lamp posts in your neighborhood,
by showing your communities' commitment to safe auto ownership) or install the
"automatic trunk monkeys"/feeding the poor starving crows/ravens.

36 posted on 02/28/2014 3:22:28 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: Bobalu

>> When embedded systems engineers go bad....

Most of us are born bad. Or at least with a couple screws loose. Onthejobtraining brings it on home. :-)


37 posted on 02/28/2014 3:24:19 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

>> get us all to ride the bus and use bicycle lanes

If the bus uses the bicycle lane, I want to be on the bus and not on the bicycle. ;-)


38 posted on 02/28/2014 3:26:46 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: 867V309

Me, teacher! Pick me!


39 posted on 02/28/2014 3:28:45 AM PST by Pecos (The Chicago Way: Kill the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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To: Cold Heat
Seems to me, that all you would need is a rheostat controlled generator to run through the entire band.....just crank the knob until the locks open.

The key fobs transmit a digital code that the onboard computer reads. the code is never the same twice in a row and changes according to a pseudo random scheme that is synched between the onboard computer and the fobs. Further, a large number of different pseudo random algorithms are used, so that if by chance one fob syncs with the wrong vehicle one time it won't do it a second time. Anything breaking that has either insider information or an extremely sophisticated computer program. I'd bet on insider information from someplace like onstar. Further a rheostat is just a variable resistor. Who would that change a transmitter frequency?

40 posted on 02/28/2014 4:03:15 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: jsanders2001

“And they’re supposed to be protecting US...lol”

It’s Chicago...they’re probably in on it


41 posted on 02/28/2014 4:05:02 AM PST by Artie (We are surrounded by MORONS)
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To: itsahoot
Even easier it to record the signal as you get out of your car and lock it with the key fob, the code is merely a high frequency sound.

What a font of total misinformation

42 posted on 02/28/2014 4:12:43 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Kartographer

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/new-5-device-easily-unlocks-car-doors-for-thieves-in-winnipeg-1.2288826

http://penturalabs.wordpress.com/2013/11/01/pocket-emps-on-sale-5/

not much of a mystery.. a news crew in canada has one. Don’t police do their job any more (you know. check around and see what they can turn up. It was the top hit on google for me)

digging more, one site blames.. curry light bulbs.. I knew there was more reasons to hate them than mercury.


43 posted on 02/28/2014 4:15:02 AM PST by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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curly light bulbs.. sorry.. early morning yet for me. send coffee.


44 posted on 02/28/2014 4:15:51 AM PST by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: Kartographer

Car dealers have similar devices. Probably not much effort to create an electronic skeleton key.


45 posted on 02/28/2014 4:19:24 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Maybe they should use a mechanical locking mechanism. The car manufacturer could install these mechanical devices and provide two or three “keys” that would be needed to unlock them.

Brilliant.....I love the smell of sarcasm in the morning.

46 posted on 02/28/2014 4:32:29 AM PST by Mopp4
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To: Caipirabob

I’ll bet that if you disconnect your battery, or pull the door lock fuse, these crooks would be mystified as to how you defeated their wonder box...


47 posted on 02/28/2014 4:36:34 AM PST by ltc8k6
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To: Kartographer

My Mercedes van has one, it’s called a key fob. You press the button and the door unlocks.

You press it twice and all doors unlock


48 posted on 02/28/2014 4:37:04 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: from occupied ga

“Further, a large number of different pseudo random algorithms are used, so that if by chance one fob syncs with the wrong vehicle one time it won’t do it a second time. “

Just got back from a business trip in Tampa. At the hotel, after checking out at 5am, we used the key fob to unlock the rental car. Our car, AND the car next to us bot unlocked, and they were different models.
We did it 5 times in a row because it freaked us out. It was still dark, and the tail lights of the car next to us came on, which surprised us. We did it again, thinking someone else was doing it or someone was in that car. Nope. Just us.
We knew it should be impossible, but there you go.


49 posted on 02/28/2014 4:42:27 AM PST by ImaGraftedBranch (...By reading this, you've collapsed my wave function. Thanks.)
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To: itsahoot

“Even easier it to record the signal as you get out of your car and lock it with the key fob, the code is merely a high frequency sound.”

This is what is confusing me about this story; my 98 F Bird system uses a new code on every try. This box must get into the greater computer somehow. Maybe a level of software that isn’t on a ‘98.


50 posted on 02/28/2014 4:44:23 AM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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