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Researchers: Natural gas vehicles will see rapid rise globally through 2023
Fuel Fix ^ | February 27, 2014 | Simone Sebastian

Posted on 02/28/2014 4:26:07 AM PST by thackney

The number of light-duty vehicles running on natural gas will more than double over the next decade to 39.8 million traveling on roads worldwide, according to a new report by research firm Navigant.

Despite the rapid growth, natural gas will continue to have a modest market share compared to gasoline and diesel in 2023, fueling just 2.6 percent of the cars and light-duty trucks on the road, Navigant projects.

A significant number of natural gas vehicles are already on the road in Brazil, Pakistan, Argentina and India, the report notes. But popularity is growing in North America, as well, driven by the relatively low price of natural gas and stricter vehicle emissions rules.

Navigant forecasts that the fueling stations and other infrastructure to support natural gas vehicles in North America will double by 2023.

Still, growth in China and many Western European countries will be even more rapid, the research firm projected. Navigant forecasts 138,177 light-duty natural gas vehicles will be sold in North America in 2023, compared to 1.9 million in the Asia-Pacific market.

“North America, despite the excitement surrounding newly available natural gas, is likely to remain a comparatively small market,” the report says.

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North America’ natural gas vehicle market is fundamentally different than in other parts of the world. While private consumers are driving growth in Western Europe, Latin America and Asia, demand in North America largely comes from commercial fleets.

As a result, instead of supplying the market with factory-built natural gas vehicles, manufacturers largely are relying on vehicle conversions in the North America. Cars and trucks manufactured to run on gasoline or diesel later are outfitted to run on natural gas.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cng; energy; lng; naturalgas

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1 posted on 02/28/2014 4:26:07 AM PST by thackney
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To: thackney

Natural Gas burns so clean your oil doesn’t need changing.


2 posted on 02/28/2014 4:42:37 AM PST by DeaconRed (Back to basics FUBO FUJB FUHRC! ! ! !)
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To: DeaconRed
your oil doesn’t need changing.

I don't recommend that idea. Your oil is going to still need changing. It may be cleaner, but it is still breaking down due to the heat.

3 posted on 02/28/2014 4:44:23 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

The only problem I see is if you get set up for natural gas and the price spikes you haven’t saved anything. Didn’t it just spike recently due to the cold?


4 posted on 02/28/2014 4:47:22 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (This is not just stupid, we're talking Democrat stupid here.)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

“You” will be fleets.

A fleet or fleet natural gas supplier can negotiate a contract to smooth out the spikes over the period of the contract.


5 posted on 02/28/2014 4:55:56 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: DeaconRed

>>Natural Gas burns so clean your oil doesn’t need changing.<<

In fact one in two commercial vehicles in Russia is natgas-powered since earlier 1980s, many larger guzzling family vehicles too. They are still changing oil, thus not so often, but plugs are surely eternal.


6 posted on 02/28/2014 5:01:39 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Because gasoline diesel never price spikes?


7 posted on 02/28/2014 5:03:12 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

I’ve seen a couple of portable systems for refueling that use NG coming from your home. Just hook it up over night.


8 posted on 02/28/2014 5:06:00 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: thackney

The infrastructure is spotty for refueling with CNG.

Westport sell bifuel trucks the burn gasoline or CNG. It will switch automatically when one or the other runs low.

They have an F-250 with a range of 1100 miles!


9 posted on 02/28/2014 5:16:00 AM PST by Mikey_1962 (Democrats have destroyed more cities than Godzilla)
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To: cunning_fish
I run Mobil 1 synthetic and change every year.
10 posted on 02/28/2014 5:16:29 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Mikey_1962

Yes but the fueling station are growing with the commercial use.

Some of the fleet usage like garbage trucks are adding a public refuel lane. After they build the system to fuel their own, there is not a great cost to add a public access pump. It becomes a secondary source of revenue.


11 posted on 02/28/2014 5:23:41 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

On a nat gas vehicle?


12 posted on 02/28/2014 5:25:26 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

2011 GMC runs on regular gasoline.
2002 Carerra runs on premium gasoline.

It’s the all American fuel.


13 posted on 02/28/2014 5:28:02 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Do you do filter changes between oil changes?


14 posted on 02/28/2014 5:30:15 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
No.
We also have a 2012 Ford Fusion AWD sedan running Ford semi-synthetic oil. We service this car every 5,000 miles or so.
15 posted on 02/28/2014 5:33:39 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: thackney

Most of the stae vehicles and buses in NJ run on natural gas

At my Fire department had a special training class in how to fight a firein one of these


16 posted on 02/28/2014 5:34:35 AM PST by njslim (T)
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To: thackney

I know they all spike but the extra investment to go NG could easily be negated. If you could contract for NG you could remedy that but I don’t know how effective that would be on an individual basis.


17 posted on 02/28/2014 5:36:19 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (This is not just stupid, we're talking Democrat stupid here.)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

A few decades of history looking at the average cost of Natural Gas versus Heating Oil isn’t convincing to you?


18 posted on 02/28/2014 5:40:31 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Dusty Road
"I’ve seen a couple of portable systems for refueling that use NG coming from your home. Just hook it up over night."

Good plan. Just make sure you park outside.

19 posted on 02/28/2014 6:24:07 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: thackney

I wonder if you could get a plumber to fit a gas tap onto your house gas line, so you could gas your natural-gas car up at home off of your house supply. I’ll bet that would be cheaper than going to a gas station. Shouldn’t be any more dangerous than turning on a gas fireplace. Of course this would probably not be permitted. . .


20 posted on 02/28/2014 7:25:40 AM PST by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: thackney
The gas quality is an on going issue.

Some refueling stations have CNG contaminated with water and compressor oil. The high pressure filters cannot stop the vaporized oil and water so it blows by and get dumped into the regulator. At least you hope it stops there and not the injectors.

21 posted on 02/28/2014 7:42:20 AM PST by Mikey_1962 (Democrats have destroyed more cities than Godzilla)
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To: ottbmare

You need a compressor. And don’t use an air compressor. It needs to be rated for hazardous material. They typically compress into the vehicle tanks 3,000 psi or greater.


22 posted on 02/28/2014 9:14:35 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: ottbmare

Those systems are already available.


23 posted on 02/28/2014 3:47:12 PM PST by Dusty Road
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To: thackney

The tanks are the problem but theres allot of research being done on that with steels and carbon fiber. Get the weight down and protect the valve system which seems to be the weakest part. Standardize the tanks and it can be as syple as swapping out you gas grill tank.


24 posted on 02/28/2014 3:51:37 PM PST by Dusty Road
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To: Dusty Road

And here I thought I was bring clever and naughty!


25 posted on 02/28/2014 6:53:02 PM PST by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: Dusty Road

Home fueling stations available with seemingly a lot of problems with reliability. At least that’s what I read.

I’m hoping this will get sorted out because I’d love to buy one of those CNG Honda Civics mfg down the road here in Indiana.


26 posted on 02/28/2014 6:57:48 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: nascarnation

The manufacture of those refill systems that had some many problems went out of business. BNC (iirc) A commercial Mathias fueling company but the name and fixed the design problems. I think the have been doing much ibetter since then.


27 posted on 03/01/2014 10:34:30 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Thanks! I believe this is it:
http://www.brcfuelmaker.com/

They appear to have a dealer here in Indiana.
Will investigate.


28 posted on 03/01/2014 11:11:28 AM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: nascarnation

Mathias ???

Autocorrect...

Supposed to be natural gas.

BRC is it.

I would want the home refuel. Slow but done overnight.


29 posted on 03/01/2014 1:55:46 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

For me (not driving that many miles being retired) the economics look shaky.

The compressor is in the 4 grand range and the Honda Civic Nat Gas version is about 6 grand more.

My fuel cost currently is about $1500/year so even if I cut that in half the payback is quite lengthy.

NG would be a nice hedge on availability if for some reason gasoline is a problem. I’m old enough to remember the fuel problems of the 70s in the Nixon and Carter era.


30 posted on 03/02/2014 6:54:36 AM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: nascarnation
not driving that many miles

That is going to be key with any up front cost for lower cost to drive.

I'm averaging 20k a year on my truck and about 50k including the other two vehicles. But the oldest heads away to college in the fall.

I've considered it. But I haven't justified it yet.

31 posted on 03/02/2014 2:41:19 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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