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Do Our Christian Beliefs Have A Place In Our Public Lives?
Political Realities ^ | 02/28/14 | LD Jackson

Posted on 02/28/2014 4:52:43 AM PST by LD Jackson

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To: LD Jackson

We were established to be One Nation under God. As General George Washington included in General Orders issued in July,1776 and as President Lincoln included in his Gettysburg Address—and as President Ronald Reagan noted if we ever cease to be a nation under God we will be a nation gone under.Americans have chosen to allow the government usurp Religion and the Church.


21 posted on 02/28/2014 7:08:20 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Hostage
Growing up in a small Nebraska town, that is actually exactly what happened.

The baker's were usually tied to a church or denomination. We had a Catholic cake lady, a Lutheran one, and a Methodist/Baptist one. Each lady typically served their specific church or churches.

In my personal case, as my Bride is Catholic and her cousin was the local “Catholic” church cake lady, she got our business. But typically it was (and I think still is) done by where the wedding was held.

22 posted on 02/28/2014 7:10:12 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: marron
Not quite right.

It is a question of Truth. The left sees themselves as the protector of Truth, and feel it is their solemn and sacred duty to enforce that worldview on everyone in order to “save” them.

In other words, they are very serious about their religion. It is we Christians who are, it seems, not.

23 posted on 02/28/2014 7:12:03 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Graybeard58

Christianity is offensive because it implicitly states that nothing you do will of your own will is ever be good enough to ensure your salvation.

The natural/autonomous man cannot abide this assertion.


24 posted on 02/28/2014 7:14:15 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: LearsFool

Another way to look at it is

what facet of creation is exempt from the authority of the One Who created it?


25 posted on 02/28/2014 7:15:41 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: redgolum

Yes, churches have a great ability to organize and protect themselves and their members.

Still, the legislation and lawsuits should go forward because more is at stake than just weddings. As one astute poster reminded us that the Soviets drove Christians into their homes and harassed them if they should show any trace of their Christianity in public or in the workplace.

In the meantime it is a good strategy to ‘close the loop’ while fighting the broader battle for religious freedom.


26 posted on 02/28/2014 7:18:06 AM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: IronJack

Iron Jack— The Christians public life may partially be separated from his religious life—i.e. Rev.John Witherspoon ,as President of the College of New Jersey—and later as member of the Continental Congress. But No Christian ought allow the Government lay down the rules for what is legal Morally. “Our Constitution was made only for a Moral and Religious people,it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other.” President John Adams Oct.11,1798.Read the Fast Day Sermon preached by the President of the College of New Jersey ,John Witherspoon “The Dominion of Providence over the passions of Men “ p.529 Vol 1 Political Sermons of the American Founding Era ,1730-1805 Ellis Sandoz Editor Liberty Fund 1998.Or the Sermon Preached by Samuel West ,an Election Day Sermon ,1776 Note;Samuel west went on to serve as delegate to the Mass. Ratifying convention,1788.As proven by the life of Benedict Arnold who desperately wanted his public life as National Hero exploited but his private affairs as Traitor kept hidden. One cannot serve two masters. Whatever one is when no one else is looking is who they are when they serve in public office.


27 posted on 02/28/2014 7:37:05 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Hostage

What is funny is my pastor is demanding we do the opposite in order not to offend others.

He hasn’t been the same since his brain injury


28 posted on 02/28/2014 7:39:19 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: LD Jackson

Absolutely.

Jesus to His disciples, in Matthew 5:

14 You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden.
15 Nor do men light a lamp, and put it under the peck-measure, but on the lampstand; and it gives light to all who are in the house.
16 Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.


29 posted on 02/28/2014 7:39:23 AM PST by TurkeyLurkey
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To: LD Jackson

If we take lumps for acting on our faith, SO BE IT!!!!!


30 posted on 02/28/2014 8:28:16 AM PST by Cheapskate (Play loud and carry BIG sticks!)
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To: LD Jackson

Anyone who insists that you violate your religeous beliefs for their benefit is an anti-religeous bigot. When they accuse you of discrimination, accuse them of religeous bigotry.

Anyone who insists you perform your labor for their benefit without your concurrence, and uses the power of the state to enforce their edicts, believes in slavery. Call them a slaver.

Take their money as a deposit, and return it the day before the event, telling them that you are too busy to do their job.


31 posted on 02/28/2014 10:11:58 AM PST by Mack the knife
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To: StonyBurk

I think it’s important to draw the distinction between one’s MORAL life and one’ RELIGIOUS life. Where one’s religion is an integral part of himself and not just some ritualistic trapping, it informs his morality to the degree that the two are inseparable. But religion is about more than morals; it encompasses dogma, ritual, and liturgical practices. The latter can be compartmentalized for public officials; it is not valid to insist that your particular religious rituals be imposed on the general populace, for example. But it is undeniable — and desirable — that your moral values not be left behind at the statehouse door. If that happens, you become Nancy Pelosi or Ted Kennedy, professing a religion that you practice only as an occasional photo op, backdrop, or disguise.


32 posted on 02/28/2014 10:13:13 AM PST by IronJack
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To: IronJack

Well put—and I think we can agree.


33 posted on 02/28/2014 4:34:19 PM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Nifster; All

As I loo over this again hours later my stupid fingers yet again typed nonsense...

it should say ATTRACTION not attrition......at least it makes more sense that way


34 posted on 02/28/2014 5:59:56 PM PST by Nifster
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