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Putinís Ukraine Gambit (Without Ukraine, thereís no Russian empire.)
NRO ^ | 2/28/14 | Charles Krauthammer

Posted on 02/28/2014 10:56:59 AM PST by cornelis

... Obama wants stability, the New York Times reports, quoting internal sources. He sees Ukraine as merely a crisis to be managed rather than an opportunity to alter the increasingly autocratic trajectory of the region, allow Ukrainians to join their destiny to the West, and block Russian neo-imperialism.

Sure, Obama is sympathetic to democracy. But it must come organically, from internal developments, you see. Must not be imposed by outside intervention, but develop on its own. But Ukraine is never on its own. Not with a bear next door. American neutrality doesn’t allow an authentic Ukrainian polity to emerge. It leaves Ukraine naked to Russian pressure.

What Obama doesn’t seem to understand is that American inaction creates a vacuum. His evacuation from Iraq consigned that country to Iranian hegemony, just as Obama’s writing off Syria invited in Russia, Iran, and Hezbollah to reverse the tide of battle.

Putin fully occupies vacuums. In Ukraine, he keeps flaunting his leverage. He’s withdrawn the multibillion-dollar aid package with which he had pulled the now-deposed Ukrainian president away from the EU. He has suddenly mobilized Russian forces bordering Ukraine. His health officials are even questioning the safety of Ukrainian food exports.

This is no dietary-hygiene campaign. This is a message to Kiev: We can shut down your agricultural exports today, your natural-gas supplies tomorrow. We can make you broke, and we can make you freeze.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: ukraine
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1 posted on 02/28/2014 10:56:59 AM PST by cornelis
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To: cornelis

Our country is being destroyed. How about that?


2 posted on 02/28/2014 10:59:08 AM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: cornelis
Sure, Obama is sympathetic to democracy.

Only when the majority votes socialist.

3 posted on 02/28/2014 11:00:16 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

How about it? Are you doing anything?


4 posted on 02/28/2014 11:02:55 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: cornelis

Imperial Russia

Hitler used the same pretext to invade some other countries. “They speak our language”


5 posted on 02/28/2014 11:03:04 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

That’s already been posted.


6 posted on 02/28/2014 11:03:55 AM PST by cornelis
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To: cornelis

So? Russia is building up its empire?

Why should I care? Why should it matter, when America itself is decaying into a degenerate cesspool of dope and homosex? With America decaying into an evil entity itself, where will it have any moral authority on anything?


7 posted on 02/28/2014 11:06:52 AM PST by greene66
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To: GeronL

For Stalin, geographical proximity was enough.


8 posted on 02/28/2014 11:07:31 AM PST by cornelis
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To: cornelis

Ukraine has to play by Russian rules. Putin just showed in Crimea who is the real boss.

And he is content to dump the toxic mess of rescuing Ukraine’s collapsing economy onto the West.

The Maidan revolutionaries will discover soon enough with Europe and America flat-broke, there’s little Western appetite for bailing Ukraine out.

And Russia has patience. Sooner than later at least a part of Ukraine will finally join the new Moscow-led Eurasian Community.


9 posted on 02/28/2014 11:08:35 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

I still side with the Ukrainian President.


10 posted on 02/28/2014 11:10:21 AM PST by impimp
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To: greene66
The proper question is, where will you have the moral authority on anything? Or will you use what you said as an excuse?
11 posted on 02/28/2014 11:10:39 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: cornelis

I could really care less about Ukraine. Let Russia have it. I would back tiny Georgia though since they backed us in Iraq.


12 posted on 02/28/2014 11:11:26 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: impimp

Let me guess, you have the contract for building one of his mansions.


13 posted on 02/28/2014 11:11:30 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: cornelis

Never fear. Obama's on it.

14 posted on 02/28/2014 11:12:02 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Timber Rattler

And if I told you Ukraine backed us in Iraq? What then?


15 posted on 02/28/2014 11:13:39 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: impimp

Which one, the elected one or the non-elected one?


16 posted on 02/28/2014 11:14:44 AM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: 1rudeboy

Still don’t care. Can’t do anything about Russia anyway in its own back yard with Obama and Hagel dismantling our military.


17 posted on 02/28/2014 11:16:04 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: greene66
Why should I care?

Were this attitude to represent a serious party position, if someone so flippant should run for office, if this is the extent of your foreign policy . . .

What imaginary world do you live in?

18 posted on 02/28/2014 11:17:26 AM PST by cornelis
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To: Timber Rattler

That’s fine. You give a crap about nobody. Next time, just say so and don’t bring Georgia into it.


19 posted on 02/28/2014 11:17:31 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: cornelis

So it is okay if USA and EU cajoles and bullies countries into joining with them but it is horrible and evil when Russia does it?


20 posted on 02/28/2014 11:17:45 AM PST by Arthurio
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To: cornelis

Anybody who has ever played “Risk” can tell you this.


21 posted on 02/28/2014 11:20:19 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Arthurio

Depends. Does the USA and the EU threaten to cut off gas supplies, and send in the tanks when things get tricky?


22 posted on 02/28/2014 11:21:05 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Timber Rattler
I could really care less about Ukraine.

How much less? If you could care less, that means you do care now. Good for you!

23 posted on 02/28/2014 11:21:42 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: 1rudeboy
Hey, I like the Georgians. They got spunk and theirs is one of the earliest Christian countries in history, along with Armenia and Ethiopia.

I could really care less about Ukraine though.

24 posted on 02/28/2014 11:22:22 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: cornelis

I doubt any Russian leader could let Ukraine go in peace, especially the Crimea with its naval access to the Black Sea. Russia simply will never let control of that access pass from their influence/hegemony.

Putin happens to be a very hard=liner however, so the likelihood of his letting Ukraine out of the Russian orbit is probably nil.


25 posted on 02/28/2014 11:22:24 AM PST by wildbill
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26 posted on 02/28/2014 11:24:44 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: cornelis
Yes Demetri, tell Vlad I will be more flexible after my election.

Oh cynical me, this Ukraine conflict stinks of a complicit US - Russian false flag and with the obozo in the WH it is a certainty to not bode well for the US.

27 posted on 02/28/2014 11:25:12 AM PST by drypowder
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To: Jim Robinson

There’s two horse’s asses in that picture.


28 posted on 02/28/2014 11:25:34 AM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: Timber Rattler
They got spunk and theirs is one of the earliest Christian countries in history....

So where's your cutoff? Just ballpark your answer by century. I'm curious how much higher Georgian Christians rank over Ukrainian Christians.

29 posted on 02/28/2014 11:25:39 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Arthurio
Activists in cajole and bully mode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSvj8F_Br4M
30 posted on 02/28/2014 11:25:51 AM PST by cornelis
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To: 1rudeboy

A.D. 1000


31 posted on 02/28/2014 11:28:01 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: wildbill

No Russian leader thinks Ukraine is anything but an accident of history.

The problem is from Moscow’s point of view is while the Belarusians are pro-Russian, the Ukrainians are like a wild horse that can’t be easily broken.

Looking back, Stalin’s big mistake was annexing parts of Poland to the Ukraine after World War II that messed up a very manageable situation for which Russia is paying dearly today.


32 posted on 02/28/2014 11:28:35 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Timber Rattler

Ok, so any Christians after 1000AD are worthless. Got it.


33 posted on 02/28/2014 11:29:16 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

The subliterates “could care less”, why even bother with them?!


34 posted on 02/28/2014 11:30:47 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: goldstategop

So those Russian troops that were issued new uniforms didn’t fool you?


35 posted on 02/28/2014 11:31:54 AM PST by Domangart (LBGT = NAMBLA)
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To: Revolting cat!

It’s worse than that . . . seriously, how does one “know” that Georgia was a member of the Iraq coalition and doesn’t “know” Ukraine was as well?


36 posted on 02/28/2014 11:32:31 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Barry Hussein Ugama Obama has been threatening Uganda of late.


37 posted on 02/28/2014 11:33:03 AM PST by Arthurio
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To: Arthurio

Let me know when he rolls the tanks. /s


38 posted on 02/28/2014 11:33:52 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: cornelis

“What Obama doesn’t seem to understand is that American inaction creates a vacuum.”

Oh, he understands. He understands perfectly well. That’s his intent: to muck about in various countries, then leave and let our enemies take advantage of the power vacuum to seize control.


39 posted on 02/28/2014 11:35:35 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Domangart

Of course not. I suspected they were Russian spetsnaz.

Not guys you want to mess around with.


40 posted on 02/28/2014 11:36:06 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Boogieman

Maybe. It doesn’t take much understanding to be part of the “who cares” crowd.


41 posted on 02/28/2014 11:38:53 AM PST by cornelis
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
Our country is being destroyed. How about that?

That's what he was elected to do, and he's doing it.

42 posted on 02/28/2014 11:42:47 AM PST by Cementjungle
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To: cornelis
What Obama doesn’t seem to understand...

I'm tired of the "they don't understand" line.

They understand perfectly.
43 posted on 02/28/2014 11:43:33 AM PST by SpaceBar
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To: cornelis

Stalin MURDERED 20 million or so of their grandparents and some of them are STILL PISSED at Moscow. Who can blame them.

Wait until obozo gets HIS purges under way here.


44 posted on 02/28/2014 11:43:34 AM PST by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: steve86

I count three.


45 posted on 02/28/2014 11:44:49 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Obama has two?


46 posted on 02/28/2014 11:46:23 AM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: wildbill

Russians are still PO’d at Khrushchev for giving away Crimea, although back then, it really didn’t matter, as Moscow was still calling the shots, anyway.


47 posted on 02/28/2014 11:49:58 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: cornelis
Krauthammer's ideas are insane.

$15 billion? We don't have the cash. Pressure on Russia? Yeah? Who or what will back the play when Putin calls Obama's bluff, again?

Putin holds all the cards on this one. Stay the hell away.

48 posted on 02/28/2014 11:57:11 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Well, the EU sent in insurgents who started the initial fighting here, so your point is moot.

As it often is.

Your recent forum history is as someone who posts for trollish contentiousness.

Not because you have a valid intellectual point.


49 posted on 02/28/2014 12:05:35 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: steve86

Three, actually.


50 posted on 02/28/2014 12:06:16 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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