Skip to comments.Putinís Ukraine Gambit (Without Ukraine, thereís no Russian empire.)
Posted on 02/28/2014 10:56:59 AM PST by cornelis
... Obama wants stability, the New York Times reports, quoting internal sources. He sees Ukraine as merely a crisis to be managed rather than an opportunity to alter the increasingly autocratic trajectory of the region, allow Ukrainians to join their destiny to the West, and block Russian neo-imperialism.
Sure, Obama is sympathetic to democracy. But it must come organically, from internal developments, you see. Must not be imposed by outside intervention, but develop on its own. But Ukraine is never on its own. Not with a bear next door. American neutrality doesnt allow an authentic Ukrainian polity to emerge. It leaves Ukraine naked to Russian pressure.
What Obama doesnt seem to understand is that American inaction creates a vacuum. His evacuation from Iraq consigned that country to Iranian hegemony, just as Obamas writing off Syria invited in Russia, Iran, and Hezbollah to reverse the tide of battle.
Putin fully occupies vacuums. In Ukraine, he keeps flaunting his leverage. Hes withdrawn the multibillion-dollar aid package with which he had pulled the now-deposed Ukrainian president away from the EU. He has suddenly mobilized Russian forces bordering Ukraine. His health officials are even questioning the safety of Ukrainian food exports.
This is no dietary-hygiene campaign. This is a message to Kiev: We can shut down your agricultural exports today, your natural-gas supplies tomorrow. We can make you broke, and we can make you freeze.
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Our country is being destroyed. How about that?
Only when the majority votes socialist.
How about it? Are you doing anything?
Hitler used the same pretext to invade some other countries. “They speak our language”
That’s already been posted.
So? Russia is building up its empire?
Why should I care? Why should it matter, when America itself is decaying into a degenerate cesspool of dope and homosex? With America decaying into an evil entity itself, where will it have any moral authority on anything?
For Stalin, geographical proximity was enough.
Ukraine has to play by Russian rules. Putin just showed in Crimea who is the real boss.
And he is content to dump the toxic mess of rescuing Ukraine’s collapsing economy onto the West.
The Maidan revolutionaries will discover soon enough with Europe and America flat-broke, there’s little Western appetite for bailing Ukraine out.
And Russia has patience. Sooner than later at least a part of Ukraine will finally join the new Moscow-led Eurasian Community.
I still side with the Ukrainian President.
I could really care less about Ukraine. Let Russia have it. I would back tiny Georgia though since they backed us in Iraq.
Let me guess, you have the contract for building one of his mansions.
Never fear. Obama's on it.
And if I told you Ukraine backed us in Iraq? What then?
Which one, the elected one or the non-elected one?
Still don’t care. Can’t do anything about Russia anyway in its own back yard with Obama and Hagel dismantling our military.
Were this attitude to represent a serious party position, if someone so flippant should run for office, if this is the extent of your foreign policy . . .
What imaginary world do you live in?
That’s fine. You give a crap about nobody. Next time, just say so and don’t bring Georgia into it.
So it is okay if USA and EU cajoles and bullies countries into joining with them but it is horrible and evil when Russia does it?
Anybody who has ever played “Risk” can tell you this.
Depends. Does the USA and the EU threaten to cut off gas supplies, and send in the tanks when things get tricky?
How much less? If you could care less, that means you do care now. Good for you!
I could really care less about Ukraine though.
I doubt any Russian leader could let Ukraine go in peace, especially the Crimea with its naval access to the Black Sea. Russia simply will never let control of that access pass from their influence/hegemony.
Putin happens to be a very hard=liner however, so the likelihood of his letting Ukraine out of the Russian orbit is probably nil.
Oh cynical me, this Ukraine conflict stinks of a complicit US - Russian false flag and with the obozo in the WH it is a certainty to not bode well for the US.
There’s two horse’s asses in that picture.
So where's your cutoff? Just ballpark your answer by century. I'm curious how much higher Georgian Christians rank over Ukrainian Christians.
No Russian leader thinks Ukraine is anything but an accident of history.
The problem is from Moscow’s point of view is while the Belarusians are pro-Russian, the Ukrainians are like a wild horse that can’t be easily broken.
Looking back, Stalin’s big mistake was annexing parts of Poland to the Ukraine after World War II that messed up a very manageable situation for which Russia is paying dearly today.
Ok, so any Christians after 1000AD are worthless. Got it.
The subliterates “could care less”, why even bother with them?!
So those Russian troops that were issued new uniforms didn’t fool you?
It’s worse than that . . . seriously, how does one “know” that Georgia was a member of the Iraq coalition and doesn’t “know” Ukraine was as well?
Barry Hussein Ugama Obama has been threatening Uganda of late.
Let me know when he rolls the tanks. /s
“What Obama doesnt seem to understand is that American inaction creates a vacuum.”
Oh, he understands. He understands perfectly well. That’s his intent: to muck about in various countries, then leave and let our enemies take advantage of the power vacuum to seize control.
Of course not. I suspected they were Russian spetsnaz.
Not guys you want to mess around with.
Maybe. It doesn’t take much understanding to be part of the “who cares” crowd.
That's what he was elected to do, and he's doing it.
Stalin MURDERED 20 million or so of their grandparents and some of them are STILL PISSED at Moscow. Who can blame them.
Wait until obozo gets HIS purges under way here.
I count three.
Obama has two?
Russians are still PO’d at Khrushchev for giving away Crimea, although back then, it really didn’t matter, as Moscow was still calling the shots, anyway.
$15 billion? We don't have the cash. Pressure on Russia? Yeah? Who or what will back the play when Putin calls Obama's bluff, again?
Putin holds all the cards on this one. Stay the hell away.
Well, the EU sent in insurgents who started the initial fighting here, so your point is moot.
As it often is.
Your recent forum history is as someone who posts for trollish contentiousness.
Not because you have a valid intellectual point.