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On Ukraine, Putin holds all the cards and dictates the timetable
Haaretz ^ | Feb. 27, 2014 | Anshel Pfeffer

Posted on 02/28/2014 5:48:23 PM PST by george76

If Russia invades Ukraine, the timing may be determined by the situation on the ground in Moscow more than the streets of Kiev and Simferopol.

When will we know the Russians have invaded Ukraine? We won’t. Unlike the summer of 2008 when paratroop brigades crossed the border into Georgia’s sovereign territory under the pretext of aiding the Ossetian minority, marines of the Russian Black Sea Fleet are already stationed on Ukrainian soil. The agreement between the two countries not only allows warships to be based at the port of Sevastopol, but also for Russian military vehicles to traverse the Crimean peninsula.

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everything remains deniable. Russian President Vladimir Putin has committed himself to nothing. He continues to hold all the cards. The armed men could leave, clinging to their anonymity, or identify themselves as Ukrainian citizens concerned for their country’s “democracy.”

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Putin .. doesn’t have to decide right now. The elections for a new Ukrainian government are scheduled to take place in three months, and he can continue to dictate the agenda and timetable. His troops are already in place.

(Excerpt) Read more at haaretz.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: putin; ukraine; ukrainecrisis

1 posted on 02/28/2014 5:48:23 PM PST by george76
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To: george76

putin has the cards

well hey

we gots a joker


2 posted on 02/28/2014 5:50:56 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: george76

In America, zippy has his thumb up his a##, Biden has his head up his a## and Kerry is an a##.


3 posted on 02/28/2014 5:51:09 PM PST by ronnie raygun (zippy the a##clown sez..............................)
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To: bigheadfred
putin has the cards
well hey
we gots a joker

AIN'T that sad??
They have the thug and we have the joker...no, the FOOL. Remember when all the decks of cards had a big FOOL at the end?

4 posted on 02/28/2014 5:54:09 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: george76

Russia invades and partitions a country, AGAIN, while our government does nothing.


5 posted on 02/28/2014 5:54:19 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: george76

hey, didn’t some president warn some country about crossing a red line last year? warning World President Putin about crossing a red line? anyone wonder if Putin is laffing?


6 posted on 02/28/2014 5:54:54 PM PST by Cruz_West_Paul2016
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To: bigheadfred

Can we get Vlady a gig on House of Cards with Kevin Spacey


7 posted on 02/28/2014 5:55:24 PM PST by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: ronnie raygun

I agree. But, even if Reagan were in the White House, there would not be a whole lot we could [or should] do. The Ukraine is in Russia’s backyard and they do call the shots.


8 posted on 02/28/2014 5:55:53 PM PST by rbg81
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To: george76

Putin did invade, Russian troops control two strategic airports near the coast with the Black Sea in Crimea.

He will take at least part of the Ukraine and make it part of Russia. There is no one who will stop him, nor will they dare with any serious sanctions.

It is just the beginning...


9 posted on 02/28/2014 5:57:51 PM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: rbg81

“I agree. But, even if Reagan were in the White House, there would not be a whole lot we could [or should] do. The Ukraine is in Russia’s backyard and they do call the shots.”

Reagan already would have put missiles there.


10 posted on 02/28/2014 5:58:53 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Insurgent Conservative)
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To: rbg81

Correct.


11 posted on 02/28/2014 5:59:32 PM PST by Fungi
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To: ronnie raygun

Bingo.


12 posted on 02/28/2014 5:59:49 PM PST by Fungi
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To: george76

This is exactly what happens when uninformed voters elect a she-male like Obama. Obama is Putin’s bottom boy, and they both know it.


13 posted on 02/28/2014 5:59:55 PM PST by wetgundog (" Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is no Vice")
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To: wetgundog

Well stated. ;-)


14 posted on 02/28/2014 6:02:30 PM PST by doc1019
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15 posted on 02/28/2014 6:04:24 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: george76

It’s a mystery why Vladimir Putin doesn’t take our one-man cheering squad for man-on-man sodomy seriously.


16 posted on 02/28/2014 6:04:44 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: george76

Just a taste of the bloody nose all the EU are about to experience.


17 posted on 02/28/2014 6:06:35 PM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: george76

Anybody agitating for US action over the Ukraine shouldn’t cry unfair if Putin sticks his nose into Mexican affairs.


18 posted on 02/28/2014 6:08:04 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: george76
What Putin will take over might be a headache like one he never had before. The reason Ukraine and Crimea left Russia was because they no longer wanted Russia to rule. They wanted their independence so not too sure Putin is not making a mistake since much of the population wanted nothing to do with the Putin type.
19 posted on 02/28/2014 6:08:22 PM PST by Logical me
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To: george76

Of course Putin holds all the cards.

America is led by pathetic pajama-boys, whose prime foreign policy goal is the promotion of homosex around the globe. Putin has a green-light to do any damn thing he wants to, as America further decays economically, culturally and morally, towards oblivion.

Putin lives and operates in reality. America has descended into a crazed and decadent madness.


20 posted on 02/28/2014 6:10:13 PM PST by greene66
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To: george76

Since Ukraine controls the flow of natural gas into parts of Europe and into the eastern part of southern Russia, they do the obvious. It’s winter, right? That’s assuming Putin has changed his mind about Ukraine keeping their territory.


21 posted on 02/28/2014 6:13:04 PM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: ronnie raygun
Kerry is a hero of the Vietnamese communist revolution, and he is the SOS

It's what happens when imbeciles are enfranchised.

The fall of the American Republic occurred in 1865.

The fall of the "democracy" instituted over the last 100 years will soon follow.

22 posted on 02/28/2014 6:13:40 PM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Reagan already would have put missiles there.


Kennedy had missiles in Turkey in 1962. How did that work out?


23 posted on 02/28/2014 6:14:46 PM PST by rbg81
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To: rbg81

True.
Certainly, however, Reagan wouldn’t have caused this trouble for the Ukrainian people. He would have worked to secure Ukraine and our relations with them while things were good and to prevent them getting in debt.

This stinks of another Obama CIA fiasco to me. Just to get Putin some bad press during the Olympics.


24 posted on 02/28/2014 6:15:18 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: rbg81

“Reagan already would have put missiles there.
Kennedy had missiles in Turkey in 1962. How did that work out?”

Comparing Kennedy to Reagan is like comparing Obama to Reagan.

No comparison.


25 posted on 02/28/2014 6:18:46 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Insurgent Conservative)
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To: george76

Yup. Putin is brushing off Obama’s warning. The Americans are not in a position to lecture to Russia about the sanctity of agreements - backing a regime that repudiated an agreement last week to which the US itself was a signatory.

The Russian Bear is all business. And there is no doubt Crimea will vote to rejoin Mother Russia and that would be a move cloaked in democratic legitimacy, unlike the current regime in Kiev which rose to power through the barrel of a gun.

And what is Obama of the famous red lines going to do? He is gutting his own military left and right and he will not put up a fight for a people who themselves cannot stand up to Russia. Putin has shown he retains all the freedom in the world to do whatever he wants. That by the way - is the bottom line in this crisis.


26 posted on 02/28/2014 6:26:20 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: george76

since when did Haaretz go to this stupid pay-to-read format ?


27 posted on 02/28/2014 6:39:36 PM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: LeoWindhorse

It was free an hour ago


28 posted on 02/28/2014 6:44:29 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Actually, what Kennedy did in the Cuban Missile Crisis was pretty damn smart. He likely avoid a nuclear war. Also, Reagan has nothing like Kennedy’s PT 109 exploits.

Don’t get me wrong, I was a big Reagan supporter, but (infidelities aside), Kennedy was a damn good CINC.


29 posted on 02/28/2014 6:47:56 PM PST by rbg81
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Oops, momentarily forgot about the Bay of Pigs. Well, no one is perfect.


30 posted on 02/28/2014 6:49:24 PM PST by rbg81
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31 posted on 02/28/2014 6:55:43 PM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: george76

fear not everyone Obama is drafting a note, not in cursive, but will be in red crayon for the mean evil Putin. I can feel Putin shaking now.


32 posted on 02/28/2014 7:02:59 PM PST by bikerman (Obama! if his lips are moving he's lying.)
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To: goldstategop

Most of the people in Crimea are Russians—many ex-military who retired there because its sunny and not freakin’ cold. Its a bit Like Florida in the US. The Ukraine wants to make them speak Ukrainian and be less “Russian”. They will vote to be Russians—Once they have a Free Election—and vote to become part of the Russian Federation—there will be little the west, the US and the Ukrainians can do about it. As for Obamas threats to Putin—I’m sure he cracked a smile over that—The laughter at the Kremlin must have been hear in Red Square.


33 posted on 02/28/2014 7:09:17 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Anybody agitating for US action over the Ukraine shouldn’t cry unfair if Putin sticks his nose into Mexican affairs.

Because the Germans marching into Czechoslovakia was exactly the same as us enforcing the Monroe doctrine? I'm more concerned with right and wrong than spheres of influence.

34 posted on 02/28/2014 8:00:15 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

What are you a Russian sympathizer? The USA isn’t some expansionist communist state. The comparison is BS.


35 posted on 02/28/2014 8:03:30 PM PST by Red White and Blue patriot
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To: rbg81

PT 109 exploits? Getting your 45kt boat cut in half by a 30 my ship, while your men are asleep at their stations isn’t much of an exploit. But I’ll grant you that those Kennedy brothers always knew how to swim to safety.


36 posted on 02/28/2014 8:06:06 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: mrsmith
This stinks of another Obama CIA fiasco to me. Just to get Putin some bad press during the Olympics.

I'm not sure about all of the political, ethnic, social dynamics behind all of this, but I think you may be right.

37 posted on 02/28/2014 10:03:24 PM PST by virgil
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