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When May I Shoot a Student?
New York Slimes ^ | 2/28/2014 | GREG HAMPIKIAN

Posted on 02/28/2014 6:43:56 PM PST by Domandred

BOISE, Idaho — TO the chief counsel of the Idaho State Legislature:

In light of the bill permitting guns on our state’s college and university campuses, which is likely to be approved by the state House of Representatives in the coming days, I have a matter of practical concern that I hope you can help with: When may I shoot a student?

I am a biology professor, not a lawyer, and I had never considered bringing a gun to work until now. But since many of my students are likely to be armed, I thought it would be a good idea to even the playing field.

I have had encounters with disgruntled students over the years, some of whom seemed quite upset, but I always assumed that when they reached into their backpacks they were going for a pencil. Since I carry a pen to lecture, I did not feel outgunned; and because there are no working sharpeners in the lecture hall, the most they could get off is a single point. But now that we’ll all be packing heat, I would like legal instruction in the rules of classroom engagement.

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(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Idaho
KEYWORDS: banglist; campuscarry; education; guncontrol; guns; idaho; secondamendment
This douchebag professor at Boise State University needs a lesson for sure.
1 posted on 02/28/2014 6:43:57 PM PST by Domandred
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To: Domandred

the douchebag prof doesn’t realize the world in which he currently walks around unarmed, is one where he’s already outgunned - in the classroom and everywhere else.


2 posted on 02/28/2014 6:46:29 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Domandred

Maybe he should go teach at Virginia Tech


3 posted on 02/28/2014 6:46:49 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Insurgent Conservative)
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To: Domandred
Dear Professor Douchebag,

With or without concealed carry laws, your disgruntled student could always be reaching for a gun inside his backpack. What makes you think that giving that student mandatory safety training, a background check with fingerprints, then issuing him a concealed weapons permit would make him more likely to shoot you?

With such poor judgement, maybe you should rethink arming yourself. You sound like a danger to yourself and others.

4 posted on 02/28/2014 6:47:06 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Domandred

He doesn’t need to shoot. He should feel perfectly free to be a target, should the circumstance arise.


5 posted on 02/28/2014 6:47:15 PM PST by rey
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To: Domandred

Oh and for the record, concealed carry on college campus is currently technically legal in Idaho. It’s against school policy and you can/will be expelled for it if you are a student.

For non-students as far as law goes the most you can be charged with is trespassing after the school finds out about the firearm, asks you to leave, and you don’t.


6 posted on 02/28/2014 6:48:16 PM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: Domandred

Yeah, because when Adam Lanza shot up a school he needed to make sure he had permission to bring the gun onto school property.

Oh, wait...


7 posted on 02/28/2014 6:48:22 PM PST by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: Domandred

Another idiot liberal who believes that laws prevent crime and that guns causes crime.


8 posted on 02/28/2014 6:48:38 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Domandred

Hey, Professor A-hole, to answer your question, if you see a student shooting at unarmed students that are screaming and trying to get away, it’s okay to shoot at that student. I feel comfortable giving that advice even though I am not a lawyer.

What an A-hole!


9 posted on 02/28/2014 6:48:42 PM PST by winner3000
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To: rey

ROFLMAO!!! Well put.


10 posted on 02/28/2014 6:48:57 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Domandred
some of whom seemed quite upset, but I always assumed

He's an idiot...We all known the meaning of assume and if he thinks a person with criminal intent would obey a law of no guns on campus he's a confirmed idiot.

11 posted on 02/28/2014 6:50:00 PM PST by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: Domandred

greghampikian@boisestate.edu


12 posted on 02/28/2014 6:51:36 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Domandred
I will shoot anyone who is a direct threat to my life or the lives of my loved ones. I may shoot to protect friends/neighbors even innocent strangers if I can do so without unduly risking my life.
13 posted on 02/28/2014 6:52:20 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Domandred

I’m not surprised this douchebag has so many students reaching for their pencils to stab him.


14 posted on 02/28/2014 6:53:08 PM PST by dangus
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To: Domandred

He needs to be fired because he’s quite clearly mentally unstable.


15 posted on 02/28/2014 6:54:36 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Yo-Yo

Exactly. But the article is not about a logic thought process. It’s about the OPTICS and NARRATIVE of the screed. Remember, the NY TIMES is in the pocket of Bloomberg and his MAYORS AGAINST GUNS group.


16 posted on 02/28/2014 6:55:49 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature ($1.84 - The price of a gallon of gas on Jan. 20th, 2009.)
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To: Domandred

This guy is an idiot. I couldn’t even finish the story it was so patronizingly stupid.

In answer to his question, he can shoot if someone is displaying the means and intention to kill or cause grave bodily harm to him or another. So if a student pulls out a gun and starts shooting up the class room, he can shoot that student. If a student comes into his office with a knife and starts threatening to slice his grades into the professor’s internal organs, then he can shoot. If a student gets angry because he failed a test and threatens the professor, then the professor cannot shoot unless the student displays the means to carry out the threat.

If he was half as smart as he pretends to be (being a professor and all), then he would already know this stuff.


17 posted on 02/28/2014 6:55:59 PM PST by lcms rev
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18 posted on 02/28/2014 7:02:01 PM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Domandred

Well you can shoot them whenever you want to but you will probably get into a lot of trouble if you do.


19 posted on 02/28/2014 7:02:07 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: lcms rev

This guys too stupid to be an idiot. He’s in a class of his own.


20 posted on 02/28/2014 7:03:23 PM PST by jmacusa ("Chasing God out of the classroom didn't usher in The Age of Reason''.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Email address for Prof Doucebag in post 12.


21 posted on 02/28/2014 7:03:28 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Domandred

When one opens fire in your building....


22 posted on 02/28/2014 7:03:34 PM PST by AppyPappy
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To: Domandred

You may shoot a student when they need shooting.

...same as with anyone else.

Alternatively, you could trying “hugging it out” with said student when he shows up at your school intent upon murdering you.


23 posted on 02/28/2014 7:05:26 PM PST by Redcloak (Was that the primary buffer panel?)
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To: Domandred

Bravo to Professor Greg Hampikian for being unafraid to reveal to the whole world that he’s a clueless mental midget.

The good professor has all of the cognitive and critical thinking skills of your average seven-year-old.

I would imagine that his mommy still packs his lunch every day before he heads off to school, perhaps even cutting the crusts off of the bread in his PBJ sandwiches so that he doesn’t have to face any big-boy challenges.


24 posted on 02/28/2014 7:09:57 PM PST by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: Domandred

To give you an idea of the kind of student this guy is dealing with, this is from the professor rating website:

” He wants all the students to be interested and exited about genetics...”

Exited about genetics?


25 posted on 02/28/2014 7:11:58 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: Domandred

An armed society is a polite society. Or, an armed campus has a polite employee base.


26 posted on 02/28/2014 7:32:27 PM PST by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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Nothing quite like brazen ignorance from the parish of academia.


27 posted on 02/28/2014 7:35:29 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Domandred

28 posted on 02/28/2014 7:38:52 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Domandred

When he’s trying to shoot or otherwise seriously injure you.

Next question?


29 posted on 02/28/2014 7:39:15 PM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: Domandred

Give the prof a break. He obviously has been grazing on the blue turf.


30 posted on 02/28/2014 7:44:09 PM PST by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: Domandred

As a professor you like to think about things, right professor? A student could kill you with a pencil in about two seconds. It could be done without drawing much attention and leave no evidence that could be tied to the killer. Just do it and walk away. Think about that. :)


31 posted on 02/28/2014 8:08:44 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: cripplecreek

He needs to be fired because he’s quite clearly mentally unstable.


Before he is strangled by his rectum........


32 posted on 02/28/2014 8:13:23 PM PST by S.O.S121.500 (Had Enough Yet ? ........................ Enforce the Bill of Rights ......... It's the LAW !!!)
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To: Domandred
When may I shoot a student?

When you're trying to prevent the student from committing a forcible felony, or grand theft, or when you are acting in lawful defense of yourself or others.

Things like that...

33 posted on 02/28/2014 8:31:02 PM PST by sargon (I don't like the sound of these here Boncentration Bamps!)
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To: Domandred
To Biology Professor Greg Happycamper: Your letter stated that you would never consider bringing a handgun to the campus until now, but also implied that you are completely clueless about guns and their proper use as well as the implications of the new law that has you "up in arms" so to speak. Since it is impossible that anyone with your level of ignorance about guns has acquired a concealed carry permit, please take comfort in the assurance that before you can get your conceal carry permit you will have to take a training class where you learn such important things as (1) which end of the gun the bullets come out of; (2) how to safely handle a gun; (3) the laws and rules about where you can and can't take your gun; and (4) when it is permissable to use deadly force (whether with a gun or with a pen).

Your letter is a desperate cry for help, and I hope that you get the help you need if for no other reason than that future biology students at Boise State should not be subjected to learning from such a woefully ignorant instructor.

34 posted on 02/28/2014 9:04:01 PM PST by VRWCmember
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To: VRWCmember

Uh....does this “Biology Prof” support abortion and euthanasia?


35 posted on 02/28/2014 10:41:04 PM PST by G Larry (Did You Like That Better?)
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To: Domandred
When May I Shoot a Student? An open letter to the chief counsel of the Idaho State Legislature by GREG HAMPIKIAN (greghampikian@boisestate.edu), Professor, Department of Biological Sciences Joint appointment in Department of Criminal Justice Director of the Idaho Innocence Project.

Dear Mr. Hampikan, asking for legislative sanction to assault and murder students is, as you intend, absurd. But you appear blind to the absurdity of posing self-defense as equivalent to murder. Furthermore your construction serves only to illustrate your state of mind, not that of others. If you were armed we would reasonably conclude you have declared your intent to murder, even though your question is an absurdity. It's the intent that makes it a criminal act, and you implicitly and explicitly assert that possession and intent go hand in hand. Fortunately you only speak for yourself. Else we should expect that even the police go unarmed. And of course, futilely, expect criminals and disgruntled madmen and drunken frat boys to always go unarmed on principle.

On the other hand reasonable law-abiding free people who go armed in preparedness for self defense don't need to ask permission for self-defense from you or the legislature. What they would appreciate is for the legislature to provide a forceful reminder to state-sponsored bigots such as yourself. This government harassment of peaceful law-abiding citizens is not tolerable and there is no lawful authority or power you and your kind may exercise to pursue such harassment.

This value is shared freely with you.

36 posted on 03/01/2014 3:21:09 AM PST by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote)
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To: Domandred
When May I Shoot a Student?

When he uses the excuse "my dog ate my homework"....?

37 posted on 03/01/2014 3:26:42 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Occam's razor was made by Gillette)
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To: Domandred

Only if you are a cop, who is probably only one of the short-list folks the perfesser thinks should have a gun. Cops can shoot anyone for anything and claim they felt they were in danger - they can even shoot perfessers.


38 posted on 03/01/2014 5:23:45 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: ladyjane

He is a biology professor.


39 posted on 03/01/2014 6:48:22 AM PST by Lisbon1940
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To: Domandred

Dear Professor,

You will know the moment to return fire when you see it. Until then, get lots of range time in and become proficient at the martial art of shooting.


40 posted on 03/01/2014 6:57:10 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
When he uses the excuse "my dog ate my homework"....?

When I was in grade school, my dog did eat my homework. I didn't understand why I got the teacher so mad for telling the truth. (I even brought what was left of it in...)

41 posted on 03/01/2014 7:02:27 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Good, but long reply to Leftist liberal Idaho College professor regarding campus carry.

March 1, 2014
Idaho Uni Prof butthurt about Campus Carry.

So Professor Hampikian pen an opinion piece picked up by the NYT full of “See How Cool I Write And Make Fun If Rednecks” expressing his passive-agressive opposition to an Idaho bill that would allow Campus Carry.Let’s check it out

My comments in bold.

When May I Shoot a Student?
By GREG HAMPIKIAN FEB. 27, 2014
TO the chief counsel of the Idaho State Legislature:

Read at: http://gunfreezone.net/wordpress/


42 posted on 03/01/2014 7:28:21 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: muir_redwoods

Natalie Foster on the mainstream media’s obsession with crazed killers
February 27, 2014

The political commentary segments from the NRA are masterfully done.

This one from Natalie Foster is very good.

One line early on that caught my ear: “I can name five mass murderers off the top of my head but I couldn’t name five of their victims if I tried.”

“The media becomes complicit in the next tragedy,” she said.

She asks why the surviving Boston terrorist bomber rated a cover photo on Rolling Stone magazine.

She notes that we are rewarding these killers with the immortality that they are seeking.

That’s why, here at Guns Save Life, we will not publish the names of spree killers. We’re reluctant to publish their likeness unless it’s to ridicule them.

Watch the video. It’s good.

http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=11270


43 posted on 03/01/2014 7:29:51 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Lisbon1940; ladyjane
He is a biology professor."

The point is that his students could use a spelling professor.

"Excited" is not spelled "exited".

44 posted on 03/01/2014 7:56:36 AM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: Fightin Whitey

I missed that. I guess the point is since students may not have learned to spell then...what? I guess I missed the point.


45 posted on 03/01/2014 8:39:05 AM PST by Lisbon1940
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To: Domandred
Since you're a professor, I'll overlook the lack of common sense and the intellectual mediocrity and tell you that, surprisingly, the cues for shooting are the same as they are on the OTHER side of the imaginary line defining that piece of public property known as the "university". Moron. If you are reasonably in fear of your life, you may defend yourself with whatever appropriate tools, including firearms, you happen to have.

Did you think that your students, who are apparently capable of carrying while off-campus without unreasonable carnage, suddenly LOSE that ability when they step across that imaginary line? And you think we're thrilled about continuing to pay someone so stupid, TO TEACH??!!

46 posted on 03/01/2014 6:03:15 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Domandred

Is the state deadly force statute more complicated reading than even college biology texts?


47 posted on 03/03/2014 9:01:25 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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