Skip to comments.When May I Shoot a Student?
Posted on 02/28/2014 6:43:56 PM PST by Domandred
BOISE, Idaho TO the chief counsel of the Idaho State Legislature:
In light of the bill permitting guns on our states college and university campuses, which is likely to be approved by the state House of Representatives in the coming days, I have a matter of practical concern that I hope you can help with: When may I shoot a student?
I am a biology professor, not a lawyer, and I had never considered bringing a gun to work until now. But since many of my students are likely to be armed, I thought it would be a good idea to even the playing field.
I have had encounters with disgruntled students over the years, some of whom seemed quite upset, but I always assumed that when they reached into their backpacks they were going for a pencil. Since I carry a pen to lecture, I did not feel outgunned; and because there are no working sharpeners in the lecture hall, the most they could get off is a single point. But now that well all be packing heat, I would like legal instruction in the rules of classroom engagement.
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
the douchebag prof doesn’t realize the world in which he currently walks around unarmed, is one where he’s already outgunned - in the classroom and everywhere else.
Maybe he should go teach at Virginia Tech
With or without concealed carry laws, your disgruntled student could always be reaching for a gun inside his backpack. What makes you think that giving that student mandatory safety training, a background check with fingerprints, then issuing him a concealed weapons permit would make him more likely to shoot you?
With such poor judgement, maybe you should rethink arming yourself. You sound like a danger to yourself and others.
He doesn’t need to shoot. He should feel perfectly free to be a target, should the circumstance arise.
Oh and for the record, concealed carry on college campus is currently technically legal in Idaho. It’s against school policy and you can/will be expelled for it if you are a student.
For non-students as far as law goes the most you can be charged with is trespassing after the school finds out about the firearm, asks you to leave, and you don’t.
Yeah, because when Adam Lanza shot up a school he needed to make sure he had permission to bring the gun onto school property.
Another idiot liberal who believes that laws prevent crime and that guns causes crime.
Hey, Professor A-hole, to answer your question, if you see a student shooting at unarmed students that are screaming and trying to get away, it’s okay to shoot at that student. I feel comfortable giving that advice even though I am not a lawyer.
What an A-hole!
ROFLMAO!!! Well put.
He's an idiot...We all known the meaning of assume and if he thinks a person with criminal intent would obey a law of no guns on campus he's a confirmed idiot.
I’m not surprised this douchebag has so many students reaching for their pencils to stab him.
He needs to be fired because he’s quite clearly mentally unstable.
Exactly. But the article is not about a logic thought process. It’s about the OPTICS and NARRATIVE of the screed. Remember, the NY TIMES is in the pocket of Bloomberg and his MAYORS AGAINST GUNS group.
This guy is an idiot. I couldn’t even finish the story it was so patronizingly stupid.
In answer to his question, he can shoot if someone is displaying the means and intention to kill or cause grave bodily harm to him or another. So if a student pulls out a gun and starts shooting up the class room, he can shoot that student. If a student comes into his office with a knife and starts threatening to slice his grades into the professor’s internal organs, then he can shoot. If a student gets angry because he failed a test and threatens the professor, then the professor cannot shoot unless the student displays the means to carry out the threat.
If he was half as smart as he pretends to be (being a professor and all), then he would already know this stuff.
Well you can shoot them whenever you want to but you will probably get into a lot of trouble if you do.
This guys too stupid to be an idiot. He’s in a class of his own.
Email address for Prof Doucebag in post 12.
When one opens fire in your building....
You may shoot a student when they need shooting.
...same as with anyone else.
Alternatively, you could trying “hugging it out” with said student when he shows up at your school intent upon murdering you.
Bravo to Professor Greg Hampikian for being unafraid to reveal to the whole world that he’s a clueless mental midget.
The good professor has all of the cognitive and critical thinking skills of your average seven-year-old.
I would imagine that his mommy still packs his lunch every day before he heads off to school, perhaps even cutting the crusts off of the bread in his PBJ sandwiches so that he doesn’t have to face any big-boy challenges.
To give you an idea of the kind of student this guy is dealing with, this is from the professor rating website:
” He wants all the students to be interested and exited about genetics...”
Exited about genetics?
An armed society is a polite society. Or, an armed campus has a polite employee base.
Nothing quite like brazen ignorance from the parish of academia.
When he’s trying to shoot or otherwise seriously injure you.
Give the prof a break. He obviously has been grazing on the blue turf.
As a professor you like to think about things, right professor? A student could kill you with a pencil in about two seconds. It could be done without drawing much attention and leave no evidence that could be tied to the killer. Just do it and walk away. Think about that. :)
He needs to be fired because hes quite clearly mentally unstable.
When you're trying to prevent the student from committing a forcible felony, or grand theft, or when you are acting in lawful defense of yourself or others.
Things like that...
Your letter is a desperate cry for help, and I hope that you get the help you need if for no other reason than that future biology students at Boise State should not be subjected to learning from such a woefully ignorant instructor.
Uh....does this “Biology Prof” support abortion and euthanasia?
Dear Mr. Hampikan, asking for legislative sanction to assault and murder students is, as you intend, absurd. But you appear blind to the absurdity of posing self-defense as equivalent to murder. Furthermore your construction serves only to illustrate your state of mind, not that of others. If you were armed we would reasonably conclude you have declared your intent to murder, even though your question is an absurdity. It's the intent that makes it a criminal act, and you implicitly and explicitly assert that possession and intent go hand in hand. Fortunately you only speak for yourself. Else we should expect that even the police go unarmed. And of course, futilely, expect criminals and disgruntled madmen and drunken frat boys to always go unarmed on principle.
On the other hand reasonable law-abiding free people who go armed in preparedness for self defense don't need to ask permission for self-defense from you or the legislature. What they would appreciate is for the legislature to provide a forceful reminder to state-sponsored bigots such as yourself. This government harassment of peaceful law-abiding citizens is not tolerable and there is no lawful authority or power you and your kind may exercise to pursue such harassment.
This value is shared freely with you.
When he uses the excuse "my dog ate my homework"....?
Only if you are a cop, who is probably only one of the short-list folks the perfesser thinks should have a gun. Cops can shoot anyone for anything and claim they felt they were in danger - they can even shoot perfessers.
He is a biology professor.
You will know the moment to return fire when you see it. Until then, get lots of range time in and become proficient at the martial art of shooting.
When I was in grade school, my dog did eat my homework. I didn't understand why I got the teacher so mad for telling the truth. (I even brought what was left of it in...)
Good, but long reply to Leftist liberal Idaho College professor regarding campus carry.
March 1, 2014
Idaho Uni Prof butthurt about Campus Carry.
So Professor Hampikian pen an opinion piece picked up by the NYT full of See How Cool I Write And Make Fun If Rednecks expressing his passive-agressive opposition to an Idaho bill that would allow Campus Carry.Lets check it out
My comments in bold.
When May I Shoot a Student?
By GREG HAMPIKIAN FEB. 27, 2014
TO the chief counsel of the Idaho State Legislature:
Read at: http://gunfreezone.net/wordpress/
Natalie Foster on the mainstream medias obsession with crazed killers
February 27, 2014
The political commentary segments from the NRA are masterfully done.
This one from Natalie Foster is very good.
One line early on that caught my ear: I can name five mass murderers off the top of my head but I couldnt name five of their victims if I tried.
The media becomes complicit in the next tragedy, she said.
She asks why the surviving Boston terrorist bomber rated a cover photo on Rolling Stone magazine.
She notes that we are rewarding these killers with the immortality that they are seeking.
Thats why, here at Guns Save Life, we will not publish the names of spree killers. Were reluctant to publish their likeness unless its to ridicule them.
Watch the video. Its good.
The point is that his students could use a spelling professor.
"Excited" is not spelled "exited".
I missed that. I guess the point is since students may not have learned to spell then...what? I guess I missed the point.
Did you think that your students, who are apparently capable of carrying while off-campus without unreasonable carnage, suddenly LOSE that ability when they step across that imaginary line? And you think we're thrilled about continuing to pay someone so stupid, TO TEACH??!!
Is the state deadly force statute more complicated reading than even college biology texts?