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Texas high school's $60 million stadium has 'extensive cracking'
Fox Sports ^ | Feb. 28, 2014

Posted on 02/28/2014 8:57:00 PM PST by Wolfie

Texas high school's $60 million stadium has 'extensive cracking'

In the Dallas suburb of Allen, the local high school made national headlines in 2012 when it unveiled its $60 million football stadium.

But less than two years later, there's a major problem.

Allen Independent School District officials announced at a news conference on Thursday that the stadium has "extensive cracking" in the concourse and will close for repairs.

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1 posted on 02/28/2014 8:57:00 PM PST by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie

First of all ... a HS with a 60 mil. stadium???????? I understand that this in Texas, but 60 mil?

It should crack.


2 posted on 02/28/2014 9:10:13 PM PST by doc1019
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To: doc1019
They have a crazy expensive stadium in Allen.


3 posted on 02/28/2014 9:11:56 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Wolfie

So with the usury on the bonds-— which were certainly sold to giant Northeastern investment houses and banks, not to anyone locally-—the stadium cost @ $120 million.


4 posted on 02/28/2014 9:13:20 PM PST by Rockpile
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To: GeronL

3 years of extreme drought and high summer temperature has not helped this.

There may have been some issues with construction, but the extreme dry conditions may be the biggest cause.


5 posted on 02/28/2014 9:14:09 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Wolfie

Built with illegal labor?


6 posted on 02/28/2014 9:14:17 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The PASSING LANE is for PASSING, not DAWDLING)
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To: Wolfie

Follow the money. Betcha the contractor was a buddy of whoever doled out the contract to build it, and I’ll also bet THAT bid was not the lowest one.


7 posted on 02/28/2014 9:15:54 PM PST by Lizavetta
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To: GeronL

So, were did the money come from?


8 posted on 02/28/2014 9:17:44 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Wolfie

Texas has some incredible highschool stadiums

Amazing really

I see the one in Rockwall a fair amount..

And Plano.... east...I think...amazing


9 posted on 02/28/2014 9:19:14 PM PST by wardaddy (Bus to Shreveport... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYF682WYRtw&feature=youtube_gdata_)
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To: doc1019
I understand that this in Texas, but 60 mil?

Yeah, they kept the cost down by skimping on the luxury sky boxes.

10 posted on 02/28/2014 9:21:46 PM PST by DeFault User (.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
thank you... my first thought
11 posted on 02/28/2014 9:22:51 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: DeFault User

ROFLMAO!! Good response.


12 posted on 02/28/2014 9:22:57 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The unions wouldn’t have allowed that.


13 posted on 02/28/2014 9:25:00 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

That was my first thought. They are notorious in Cali for their piss poor construction.


14 posted on 02/28/2014 9:26:09 PM PST by Red White and Blue patriot (Putin is the Hitler of the 21st century.)
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To: GeronL

Because a sign saying “Screw you, taxpayer!” is not enough for the school districts. These stadiums drive the point home like no middle finger ever could.


15 posted on 02/28/2014 9:28:21 PM PST by Dalberg-Acton
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To: Wolfie

Completely misplaced priorities:

Almost NO high-school in Japan has grass AT ALL on their baseball field.

Tennis courts there are commonly made of DIRT.

Japanese kids are good with computers, right? So commonly they have computers at school for the kids, right?

NO ALMOST *NONE* OF THEM DO.


16 posted on 02/28/2014 9:30:01 PM PST by gaijin
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To: doc1019
So, were did the money come from?

Me.

I live here and we will be paying the bond off for the next 30 years. It was part of a bond issue about five years ago. It was a $110 million dollar bond for 'School Improvement'. The actual cost of the stadium was hidden in that total.

I voted against it. It was too expensive. The bond passed somewhere around 75%. A lot of people are very disappointed.

The good news is that the builder has a good reputation and they are willing to work with Allen ISD to fix the issues. I hope they stand by their commitment and fix it. It's a really nice stadium, but I think they spent way too much money building it.

17 posted on 02/28/2014 9:31:27 PM PST by SpottedBeaver (I did not create the post above. Someone else made that happen.)
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To: SpottedBeaver
but I think they spent way too much money building it.

Especially for a HS. If it were a college that generated money , but a HS?

18 posted on 02/28/2014 9:37:43 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Wolfie

The cracks are quite large for it to be just normal shrinkage of the concrete. Probably a design problem or construction/inspection problem. Maybe somebody didn’t read the soils report.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/allen/headlines/20140227-allen-isd-schedules-news-conference-on-issues-at-eagle-stadium.ece


19 posted on 02/28/2014 9:41:46 PM PST by 4Zoltan
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To: doc1019

” a HS with a 60 mil. stadium???????? I understand that this in Texas, but 60 mil?”
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It is called insane stupidity.
No wonder, American pubic (sic) schools are such a failure.


20 posted on 02/28/2014 9:42:36 PM PST by AlexW
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To: AlexW

Amen!


21 posted on 02/28/2014 9:43:29 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Wolfie
Obama’s fault
22 posted on 02/28/2014 9:43:32 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: Wolfie; sockmonkey

They put down a a $1 million dollar atificial field here in Kerrville at Antler Stadium. I’d rather they just bought huge tracts of land and put in a shooting range - golf course AND Football Field.


23 posted on 02/28/2014 9:45:19 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: doc1019

When I moved to a small Central Texas city in the early 80s I drove past a huge football stadium. I asked the guys at work what college was there in town. I was informed it was the high school stadium. And it’s one of the smaller ones.


24 posted on 02/28/2014 9:54:06 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Texas Fossil

I see cracking concrete pretty often on new pours..

I’m told that there is usually a explanation, mostly to do with weather at the time of the pour, and sometimes design issues because of a missing expansion joint or two...occassionaly a bad mix..

This part of Texas takes their highschool football very seriously, so the contractors insurance and the cities insurance will probably foot a large part of the bill. They are not going to be very happy about it..

Cracks probably started early on.....


25 posted on 02/28/2014 9:56:39 PM PST by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: doc1019

The folks in the city of Katy, Texas voted down a $70 million dollar stadium last year.

There’s an old saying about concrete. Three things will happen.

1) It’ll harden.
2) It’ll turn gray.
3) It’ll crack.


26 posted on 02/28/2014 9:56:58 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Texas Fossil

My guess is they were to crooked/cheap to actually pay for any QC testing.


27 posted on 02/28/2014 10:14:17 PM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Wolfie

The taxpayers better hope the school district contracted for project management and that the school district did not take on that role itself.


28 posted on 02/28/2014 10:23:34 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: doc1019

property taxes I expect


29 posted on 02/28/2014 10:23:47 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Dalberg-Acton

bump


30 posted on 02/28/2014 10:24:00 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

The taxpayers better hope the school district contracted for project management and that the school district did not take on that role itself.
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We all know that Government Agencies are ‘smarter’ than us peons and the 10% (or whatever) they saved they allocated as bonuses for themselves for being so smart.

Coincidence(?) another thread near this one is about a Crack in a Dam....

Now THEY could be in for some big time problems...


31 posted on 02/28/2014 10:29:10 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 --When you have them by the short hairs, the minds and hearts soon follow.)
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To: xrmusn

government never “saves” anything


32 posted on 02/28/2014 10:29:59 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Cold Heat

The cracks were noticed almost as soon as the stadium opened and have been getting larger (some reported to be 3/4 inch).

They also mention other potential problems with the structure.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/allen/headlines/20140227-allen-isd-schedules-news-conference-on-issues-at-eagle-stadium.ece


33 posted on 02/28/2014 10:38:03 PM PST by 4Zoltan
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To: Cold Heat

I suspect the extreme drought and high temps.

On a lot of commercial pours they float them in water to retard the cure time. Keep it flooded for a few weeks makes a huge difference in cure strength.

It has been 120+ years since we have had a drought like the one we are just coming out of. The last time was in 1895. My ancestors were here then. This one may be worse than then. Pretty bad.


34 posted on 02/28/2014 10:44:46 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: AlexW; Jim Robinson

“It is called insane stupidity. No wonder, American pubic (sic) schools are such a failure.”

Disgusting - he says “American ‘pubic’ schools”. How much longer, Lord, do we have to put up with this constant bashing of our country from a man who left years ago? He has just gravely insulted every public school in this country with a disgusting word, then labels them all as being a failure - I am sick and tired of this man trashing our country.

If there is a government liberal “plant” on FR to trash our life in this country, then no better one could be found than this man.

Every single day he insults us and this country. Is there no end to this? Does he have a life time guarantee of saying any hatred thing he wants about us and this country? He hates this country and said if the Philippines became a state of the US, he would leave there. Total rejection of this country - I say he is a troll here to destroy and he has no redeeming value.


35 posted on 02/28/2014 10:45:37 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Cold Heat

My father oversaw the construction of the local gymnasium. They flooded the pour for several weeks covered with plastic to cure the concrete. It has lasted well.

It is pretty sandy here, but a few miles away there is expanding clay soil. That is a challenge to pour concrete and have no cracking. Wet to dry expansion and contraction is incredible in it.


36 posted on 02/28/2014 10:48:27 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: GeronL
Thank goodness it was probably built with union labor.

If they had gone with the best construction company there'd be no problem.

But they likely went with Soprano and son, inc.

37 posted on 02/28/2014 10:51:00 PM PST by boop (I just wanted a President. But I got a rock.)
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To: doc1019
Especially for a HS. If it were a college that generated money , but a HS?

I agree... This stadium is bigger than most Community Collage or most College stadiums that I have seen.

One thing I have noted about Texas is that we are generally anti-tax. However, when it comes to football, Texans will open their pockets and say, "How much more, sir!"

The City of Allen is running the stadium and it is expected to generate revenue. Keep in mind that the city government is a separate entity from the school district. The city has scheduled concerts and has hosted other events, including HS championship games. That does generate revenue. The stadium is expected to be closed, at least through June. That is a huge hit on the revenue.

38 posted on 02/28/2014 10:51:56 PM PST by SpottedBeaver (I did not create the post above. Someone else made that happen.)
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To: Lizavetta

Follow the money. Betcha the contractor was a buddy of whoever doled out the contract to build it, and I’ll also bet THAT bid was not the lowest one.
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The contractor has a long and successful history with the city of Allen. The same firm built many of the new public schools there over many years and there have been no major problems with those structures.


39 posted on 02/28/2014 11:05:09 PM PST by octex
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To: GeronL

government never “saves” anything
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reread ... I said what they saved they gave to themselves, meaning what they may not have paid a Construction Mgr went to themselves as bonuses....

I wasn’t very clear was I....Usually ‘ ‘ something when I am being facetious.


40 posted on 02/28/2014 11:15:08 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 --When you have them by the short hairs, the minds and hearts soon follow.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Found myself arguing w a cousin. She said her mother was down in NJ suffering the cosqnsez of a pipe freeze in the attic. I screeched when was that built?

She said that with global warming of course they were built like that. She said there’d never been weather like this it is the melting if the polar ice cap and the polar vooooortex!

I said, well, our house was built in 1909 (which it was), and, 100 yes back from the bay to the LI Sound, was built for hurricane specs. That it had confirmed the 1938 unnamed hurricane , a cat 3 or 4

And the 1976 cat 1

I reminded her of the car fiasco in the snow three families after a Christmas party snow falling silently pre weather channel, everyone getting stuck. Auntie not failing, uncle, not as patient

Three years ? No

Three years? Hmm. No


41 posted on 02/28/2014 11:58:53 PM PST by stanne
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To: doc1019

The first huge Texas H.S. football stadium I saw was in the Midland/Odessa area... I couldn’t believe it... It rivaled college stadiums.


42 posted on 03/01/2014 1:00:51 AM PST by Rodamala
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To: Wolfie

Flame me if you consider this as Southern-bashing, but $60 million for a high school football stadium is simply obscene, possibly the worst example of misplaced priorities I have ever heard OF.


43 posted on 03/01/2014 1:22:08 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: 4Zoltan
“I’m optimistic that we’re going to have a quick resolve to this that will not affect the football season that’s coming up,” he said.


44 posted on 03/01/2014 2:52:55 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Steve_Seattle
There are now two types of high school stadiums in the South. Those that have a Jumbotron scoreboard and those that will have one.
45 posted on 03/01/2014 2:57:10 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: octex

Betting on Chinese concrete as the culprit.


46 posted on 03/01/2014 2:59:28 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: NFHale; Windflier; DuncanWaring; AllAmericanGirl44; wku man; Old Sarge; raybbr; bobby.223; ...

ping to my post 35.


47 posted on 03/01/2014 8:24:08 AM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: AlexW

The ones you attended obviously were failures.


48 posted on 03/01/2014 8:39:40 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: AlexW; Marcella; NFHale; Windflier; DuncanWaring; AllAmericanGirl44; wku man; Old Sarge; raybbr; ...
I have a mental picture of "AlexW". I see a man who ran from his native land and left a family behind because he couldn't cut it here. Something he's hiding. Something dark. Probably has to do with the need to dominate a woman. Hard to find here. But. In the Philippines, from what I can tell, women can be subservient. Hence "AlexW's" reference to his wife:
To: Patriot Babe

Solar powered washing machine? Who needs that? I have the best washing machine in the world. It is called “wife”.
It is quite efficient, working day and night, with or without any external power.

12 posted on Friday, January 24, 2014 10:04:06 PM by AlexW
No one I know refers to his wife as an "it". Not many call their wives "wife" which to me is insulting and shows a need to be dominate. I say "my wife" not "the wife" or simply "wife" It shows a personally detached mind from the bond of marriage. As if "the wife" is "the dog" or the "the car". It's demeaning.

As to the patriots in the pound I think we are participating in something akin to watching a graffiti artist sneak around painting obscenities on the wall and then sitting back and getting his jollies watching us react.

As long as Jim Robinson allows it there's not much we can do. Except to try to clean up the excrement left behind by "AlexW".

BTW, some of you guys make me real proud to me here in the U.S. I have my down days about the future but you all bring me back and lift me up out of the doldrums of the bad time we are going through.





Woof! Woof!


49 posted on 03/01/2014 8:54:22 AM PST by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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To: stanne

Three Year Drought?

Yes.

But it is beginning to improve.

This has happened before. It is related to the activity on the Sun. Correlates with sunspot patterns. Long long ago the last time.


50 posted on 03/01/2014 9:05:37 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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