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Krauthammerís Take: Obama Tells the World We Arenít Going to Do Anything About Invasion of Ukraine
National Review Online ^ | February 28, 2014 7:08 PM | NRO staff

Posted on 03/01/2014 2:52:30 AM PST by Candor7

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To: Candor7
Charles Krauthammer responded on Special Report tonight saying, “The Ukrainians, and I think everybody, is shocked by the weakness of Obama’s statement. I find it rather staggering.”

I'm shocked that he's shocked. I'm shocked that ANYONE is shocked. Where have these people been for the last 5 years?

51 posted on 03/01/2014 9:23:16 AM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Candor7

Certainly Putin will do what he will do without any regard for what Obama says or does. However Obama’s comments may have made it worse. This is now at least a two-fer for Putin. He can send in troops and control the situation while also embarrassing Obama by reaffirming again how weak he is.


52 posted on 03/01/2014 9:23:25 AM PST by plain talk
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To: Patriotic1

Be fair what should we do?

Way back in 1992, anyone with cursory knowledge knew if the issue of the Crimea wasn’t settled it would one day rear its’ ugly head.


53 posted on 03/01/2014 9:24:50 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: AdmSmith

Russia’s not about to sabotage its relationship with Iran.

http://neftegaz.ru/en/news/view/98591

Or China.

http://www.gazprom.com/f/posts/59/990512/map_altai_eng.jpg


54 posted on 03/01/2014 9:27:29 AM PST by 444Flyer (How long O LORD?)
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To: dfwgator
I don't pretend to know what to do - I'm very torn. But how these people who get paid to pontificate can admit to being shocked is beyond me.

Besides, we all know that this is Palin's fault with her coded messages telling Putin what to do!

55 posted on 03/01/2014 9:27:51 AM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Candor7

I believe Putin told Obama how it was going to be a long time ago.


56 posted on 03/01/2014 9:32:18 AM PST by ryderann
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March Madness

Less than $5.1k to go!!
Git-R-Done!

57 posted on 03/01/2014 9:40:44 AM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Candor7

The underlying story here is that Russia will simply not stand by while Western countries pursue a course of action with Ukraine that is aimed at ultimately having Ukraine brought on board as a full-fledged NATO member with U.S. missile shield assets inside its borders.


58 posted on 03/01/2014 9:41:28 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: 444Flyer
As both have secessionist movements within their territories, they are against dividing a country.
59 posted on 03/01/2014 9:47:22 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: Candor7

Obama can’t stop the illegal border crossing of his country, what makes anyone think he can stop Russia?


60 posted on 03/01/2014 9:58:24 AM PST by Lockbox
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To: Candor7

I guess Vladimir Putin wasn’t impressed by “There will be costs”. Obama humiliates himself and America again.


61 posted on 03/01/2014 10:07:10 AM PST by mandaladon (If you're going through hell, keep going. ~Winston Churchill)
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To: mandaladon

the cost will be to almost die while doubled up in laughter at the sight of barack


62 posted on 03/01/2014 10:08:00 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: BykrBayb
My lack of surprise led me to think this photo was real.


63 posted on 03/01/2014 10:13:38 AM PST by Tonytitan
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To: mandaladon

I guess that’s why Putin sent the Rooskie version of Hells Angels.


64 posted on 03/01/2014 10:15:00 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: dfwgator; Patriotic1
We should do what the American People and Reagan did in the 80's:

1) oust the current regime in Washington DC
2) get the economy back on right footing by HUGE CUTS IN GOVERNMENT AND TAXES and letting the free market do what it does best: CREATE WEALTH,
2) Build the military back up once again to the world's strongest (weakness not strength invites war),
3) take down the NSA and other threats to American citizens
4) build up our intelligence community to make it first rate

If the Ukraine thing is still relevant after 1-4 is done...

5) with good and verified intelligence, we should covertly work with the forces of freedom in the Ukraine and discern whether eastern Ukraine wants to join Russia and whether western Ukraine doe not,
6) THEN, with actual and overwhelming force at our disposal, we should condemn Russia for threatening to invade the Ukraine and move forces into the area with full intention of defending those that want to remain free.

65 posted on 03/01/2014 10:16:17 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: Candor7

Sheesh, ODoofus isn’t even trying to lead from behind on this one. Gotta be listening to Joe Biden who’s been wrong on every major foreign policy issue in the last 40 years.


66 posted on 03/01/2014 10:17:59 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Candor7
No worries world! We here in the US are enjoying our Happy Hour with the 1st World President Obama who is busy lowering the world's oceans, yada, yada, yada.

Oh yes, and to earn his Nobel Peace Prize, he reducing our military to before WW2 strength. Happy Days are here again!

67 posted on 03/01/2014 10:22:54 AM PST by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: DesertRhino
You may have meant to direct #38 to someone else. I said nothing about us "owing" Europe anything.

I do think, however, that it is in our own long term interest to have stable, democratic, free market, pro-Western governments across Europe. (And elsewhere, for that matter.) We waged a 40 year Cold War to save Europe. There has been great progress since the fall of the Berlin Wall. There have been problems as well, but I would not for a moment want to turn back the clock.

But something very ugly and dangerous is happening right now, and Obama continues in his by-now fully expected pattern of forfeiting the U.S. national interest by, at best, incompetent neglect, and perhaps something worse.

The isolationists will take a different view. I'm not saying that you are among them, or not, but they are about, and as wrong as ever.

68 posted on 03/01/2014 10:37:04 AM PST by sphinx
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To: COBOL2Java

you didn’t fix anything, you made an excuse and it sounds a lot like what “the good Germans” were saying back in the early 30’s..


69 posted on 03/01/2014 10:47:03 AM PST by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: ryderann
I believe Putin told Obama how it was going to be a long time ago.

Coordinated moves to "fundamentally change the globe?"

70 posted on 03/01/2014 10:51:36 AM PST by taraytarah
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To: Tonytitan
"Yo Vlad, Syria was wonderful. ... Can we go to Ukraine now? "


71 posted on 03/01/2014 10:58:00 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: annalex

Good catch. If anything else comes up, Obama can be found at the nearest Golf course.


72 posted on 03/01/2014 10:59:54 AM PST by matt04
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To: ncalburt

Look who’s calling other people stupid! This country is in no position to be baling out people who won’t even try to clean up their own messes.


73 posted on 03/01/2014 11:09:06 AM PST by Segovia
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To: lowbridge

“He doesnt do anything about the invasion of our borders...”
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That’s nonsense! Of course he does something, he ENCOURAGES the invasion of our borders!


74 posted on 03/01/2014 11:26:56 AM PST by RipSawyer
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To: mandaladon

“...I guess Vladimir Putin wasn’t impressed by “There will be costs”. Obama humiliates himself and America again....”

Vladimir has no fear of the stinky gay “turd on a stick” in the WH. He knew he was a coward the minute he originally met him. He has no respect or fear of him, nor of his new rainbow brigade gay military.


75 posted on 03/01/2014 11:33:52 AM PST by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I agree but for different reasons. History shows we have intervened on the wrong side many times. The govt apparatus of this nation supplies weapons to the terrorists in Syria that kill behead kidnap innocents —and we have the chutzpah to think we support what is good? far from it.


76 posted on 03/01/2014 11:38:29 AM PST by eleni121 ("All Along the Watchtower" Book of Isaiah, Chapter 21, verses 5-9)
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To: Candor7
I hope the Ukrainians weren’t depending on us!
77 posted on 03/01/2014 11:39:39 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod

“I hope the Ukrainians weren’t depending on us!..”

Me too. However, odongodaddy did say in his speech:

“...the Ukrainian people deserve the opportunity to determine their own future....”
From that statement, I guess he’ll be way cool with the secessionist movement that is growing like an avalanche in Texas right now.


78 posted on 03/01/2014 11:45:29 AM PST by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: lgjhn23

We did nothing in ‘56 and ‘68, as well.


79 posted on 03/01/2014 11:46:53 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

“...We did nothing in ‘56 and ‘68, as well....”
True, but we didn’t have a stinky foreign gay guy claiming to be POTUS going around making big boy threats and drawing “lines in the sand” like he was going to be a “bad ass” and do something either. Real presidents know when to shut up and when to speak.


80 posted on 03/01/2014 11:50:57 AM PST by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

No surprise!

http://www.tomatobubble.com/putin_obama.html


81 posted on 03/01/2014 11:54:55 AM PST by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: annalex

The problem with that accord is that it doesn’t apply here under international law.
This is a de facto civil war brewing. There is no integrity or borders at stake here.
Its a naked grab for power by the western revolutionaries who revolted against the legal government.
While we can debate the if and why fores or who is right or wrong, it still is a civil war and even Kerry was so advised by state.
Now when Russia brings up enough forces to roll back to Kiev, then they very well may do so, but even then the borders would remain the same.
Hell, they could even use that accord as legal justification to invade and thereby keep the territorial integrity of the Ukraine intact.


82 posted on 03/01/2014 12:32:04 PM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks AdmSmith.


83 posted on 03/01/2014 12:43:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: chiefqc

I think I got the better deal - I invested in red line erasers.


84 posted on 03/01/2014 12:46:49 PM PST by JudyinCanada
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To: DesertRhino
Are you seriously advancing the idea, that we should actually engage in a land war, with Russia, a few hundred miles from Volgograd (Stalingrad), to stop Russia from protecting its navy base at Sevastopol?

The Russian Federation can do whatever it wants in Sevastopol, but they are also in Crimea proper -- in Simferopol, fomenting secession.

No, of course we should not go to war, but diplomacy is an art of threats, bot only military but of recognition, sanctions, etc. Obama clearly signals he is not going to even try. That cowardice is not in American interest.

85 posted on 03/01/2014 1:08:21 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Candor7

North Korea could take us on and we’d hide. Remember Benghazi? We let our own men be murdered - and sat on our hands while it was happening.


86 posted on 03/01/2014 1:22:45 PM PST by GOPJ (I saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called Schindler's List.)
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To: Candor7
Nor should we do anything about the Ukraine. We've spent the best part of the last decade invading sovereign nations ourselves. In one of them, we installed an Islamic republic at the cost of over 3,000 American lives and who knows how many indigenous Christian ones.

What happened in the Ukraine was anarchy pure and simple. A democratically elected president was overthrown by a rabble that is the philosophical and spiritual counterpart of our own "Occupy" trash. Its agenda is secularist, humanist and socialist like that of the European Union. Its "values" are Western and I mean that in the worst sense of the word. It has no time for Russia's stand against the sodomite agenda and it longs to be free of Russian influence. It sees Ukraine's futue in the godless, socialist superstate that is the EU.

Way too many Freepers have their time clock stuck on 1962. This is not Hungary, 1956 or Prague 1968. This is the exact reverse. Putin is going to restore order and more power to him.

87 posted on 03/01/2014 1:33:43 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: Candor7

This guy has refused to answer any of those 3:00 A.M. phone calls Hillary talked about. And there have been a lot of them.


88 posted on 03/01/2014 1:45:57 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Candor7
“What he’s saying is we’re not really going to do anything and we’re telling the world,” Krauthammer said.

As we should not. The EU will destroy Ukraine, George Soros and his buddies will have to find a different nation to loot.

89 posted on 03/01/2014 1:50:04 PM PST by Hacksaw (I haven't taken the 30 silvers.)
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To: lowbridge
He doesnt do anything about the invasion of our borders, why should he do anything about the invasion of another country’s borders?

This is the brutal fact why everyone in the main stream media and D.C. are running from for the past 25+ years.

And another big reason why the U.S. is in steady decline.

90 posted on 03/01/2014 1:52:39 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: newnhdad
you didn’t fix anything, you made an excuse and it sounds a lot like what “the good Germans” were saying back in the early 30’s..

You're the one with the excuse pal. Blame the voters because the Vichy GOP fields candidate after candidate that doesn't want to win and no one wants to vote for? Blame the voters because the country club Republicans hate their conservative base? Sure, blame us for all your failures. You're no better than Obama who blames Bush for all his failures!

91 posted on 03/01/2014 3:53:33 PM PST by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: DesertRhino
it isn’t a war crime for a each soldier not to wear a national insignia on a uniform

During that conflict, the U.S. military captured thousands of Taliban and al Qaeda forces, hundreds of whom were allegedly not complying with the rules of war, failing to wear uniforms with insignia clearly displayed, failing to carry their weapons openly, and failing to organize themselves in units subject to a hierarchical chain of command.

Rules of War

I said nothing about specifically the national flag. The RF forces wear, I believe, the tri-color arm badge, and a double-headed eagle cocarde. Al combatants in both WWI and WWII wore distinctive uniforms with insignia of nationality, unit and rank. That they remove them is at best a military ruse, -- but then the very use of a ruse qualifies as a hostile offensive operation, not a peace-keeping or protective mission.

92 posted on 03/01/2014 6:24:00 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: AdmSmith; Candor7; gandalftb
The real purpose of Russian troops in Ukraine is to undermine the credibility of Nato

We cannot be sure of that. Obama's cowardice surely has that effect, but the RF's purpose is what it appears to be: fomenting secession of the Crimea and possibly other regions of Ukraine.

93 posted on 03/01/2014 6:32:49 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: bill1952
There is no integrity or borders at stake here

Sure there is. Inside Ukraine there may be unrest and tension, but there is also a central government recognized internationally; actions like sending troops in disguise is what foments a civil war.

94 posted on 03/01/2014 6:37:14 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: lgjhn23
" I guess he’ll be way cool with the secessionist movement that is growing like an avalanche in Texas right now."

Say what?

95 posted on 03/01/2014 6:39:39 PM PST by OKSooner ("As the riders went on by him, he heard one call his name...")
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To: OKSooner

“...Say what?..”
I didn’t stutter. Check out the Texas Nationalist Movement.
Texans have just about had enough of him and and the morons that make up DC.


96 posted on 03/01/2014 6:47:49 PM PST by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: All

3/3/14

“Russia And China ‘In Agreement’ Over Ukraine”

http://news.sky.com/story/1219922/russia-and-china-in-agreement-over-ukraine


97 posted on 03/03/2014 9:26:22 AM PST by 444Flyer (How long O LORD?)
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To: marshmallow

And of course Poland, Latvia, Estonia,Moldavia, they also need a restoration to Russian order? Buahahahaha! Putin is just getting started. Interesting to see a communist posting here!

Putin needs to be hauled up short. And soon.


98 posted on 03/03/2014 12:01:21 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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99 posted on 03/03/2014 12:01:46 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: bill1952

Its a naked grab for power by the western revolutionaries who revolted against the legal government>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

.........hardly legal....the last national election was rigged, and some candidiates lived under threat of execution by Russians.It seems to me a bunch of merchamts and farmers did the same thing in Boston in 1776, but who wants to remember that old crap, eh?


100 posted on 03/03/2014 12:05:42 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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