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Putin requests senators’ approval to send troops to Crimea
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Posted on 03/01/2014 6:10:55 AM PST by kronos77

Russian President Vladimir Putin has asked the country’s senators to approve sending Russian troops to Ukraine to settle the situation there. Russian MPs have said that the turmoil in Crimea could allow for such a move.

Earlier on Saturday, the speaker of the Russian State Duma Council Valentina Matvienko said that the current circumstances in Ukraine make such a move possible.

The final decision to send troops to Crimea lies with President Vladimir Putin as Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces, speaker of the Russian State Duma Council Valentina Matvienko said. The current circumstances make such a move possible, she said.

“It’s possible in this situation, complying with a request by the Crimean government, even to bring a limited contingent of our troops to ensure the safety of the Black Sea Fleet and the Russian citizens living on Crimean territory. The decision is for the president, the chief military commander, to make, of course. But today, taking the situation into account, even that variant can’t be excluded. We need to protect the people,” Matvienko said.

The Russian government has so far been careful in its assessment of the new self-proclaimed Ukrainian government in Kiev. Matvienko said the reason for that was Russia counting on its Western partners, who vowed to guarantee the February 21 agreements between Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich and the opposition.

“Russia did not interfere in the situation in Ukraine for a very long time and showed restraint, assuming that the Western states, which became backers of the agreements, would see that strict compliance with the deal is observed,” she said.

However, after “violent upheaval” took place in Ukraine, the Western states did not come up with “any reasonable measures or responses,” Matvienko said.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: crimea; putin; russia; ukraine; viktoryanukovich; war; yuliatymoshenko
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1 posted on 03/01/2014 6:10:55 AM PST by kronos77
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To: kronos77

Mitch McConnell and John Wayne McCornyn will block any effort to deny Putin access to this action.


2 posted on 03/01/2014 6:13:06 AM PST by Howie66 (John Wayne McCornyn...he's just like US! Honest!)
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To: kronos77

I’d do it too if the US prez had warned that he would “join the international community to release a statement saying there would be costs”. The statement alone is probably going to be hilarious.


3 posted on 03/01/2014 6:15:27 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: kronos77

All things considered, this is the Monroe Doctrine operating in the Russian geographic sphere.

The only threat that will stop it is nuclear, I suppose. There’s no way without all out war that America could offset the proximity of the full range of Soviet forces.

And what economic sanctions, exactly, can America bring to bear against Russia that would have any impact?

I think we’re without significant options here...short of all-out war.


4 posted on 03/01/2014 6:16:01 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Howie66

When John Wayne McCornyn goes to Luby’s, he orders a salad. But he doesn’t eat it. Because he’s just like you.


5 posted on 03/01/2014 6:16:19 AM PST by harwood (Ann Coulter: Future SCOTUS nominee!)
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To: kronos77
Russian President Vladimir Putin has asked the country’s senators to approve sending Russian troops to Ukraine to settle the situation there. Russian MPs have said that the turmoil in Crimea could allow for such a move.

Next, he will ask our senators for approval. On a party line vote approval will be given so our chicken s**t presidential impostor can claim "precedent" when he invades Arizona.

6 posted on 03/01/2014 6:20:42 AM PST by immadashell (The inmates are running the asylum.)
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To: kronos77

This is just a message to Obama and Europe. Putin has all the power he needs to do this already.


7 posted on 03/01/2014 6:21:40 AM PST by Truth29
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To: harwood

And don’t you forget it!


8 posted on 03/01/2014 6:25:00 AM PST by Howie66 (John Wayne McCornyn...he's just like US! Honest!)
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To: kronos77

The ball is in the EUs court on this one. If they offer fast track membership to Ukraine a lot of the ethnic Russians in Crimea will suddenly lose their desire to return to mother Russia. Putin has a big problem if a huge chunk of ethnic Russians them tell him to ESAD.


9 posted on 03/01/2014 6:26:10 AM PST by lodi90
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To: kronos77
Who else but Putin can stop the Ukraine from becoming Syria, Libya, or Egypt? The tricky part is now...making sure that the radical elements in that protest don't take over.

Does anyone seriously believe that those tactics in Kiev with the burning tire barriers etc weren't planned by some seriously trained outside help for the opposition?

10 posted on 03/01/2014 6:26:57 AM PST by grania
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To: xzins
The only threat that will stop it is nuclear, I suppose.

If the west were to impose strict sanctions on Russia, Putin would run into a lot of problems. Noone buys Ladas and Ilyushins, the only thing they have is oil and gas. Without that stream of money to buy e.g. food products on the international market, prices would go up in Russia, social unrest could end up being a real problem for Vlad.

But it would hurt the West as well (to a lesser degree, but still).

IMHO the immediate question would be: Is the west able and willing to start an all-out economic war?
11 posted on 03/01/2014 6:30:56 AM PST by wolf78 (Inflation is a form of taxation, too. Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender.)
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To: grania
Putin has sent over his MC gang the Night Wolves.

12 posted on 03/01/2014 6:32:19 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: kronos77
pResident 0'Muslim's response:
"I shall send ('ol buddy) Putin; a strongly 'worded' letter, protesting this action."
(in triplicate, to Putin..to UN..to darling..Reggie Love, to how strong I am)
.."oh cr@p, this is really gonna messing up my gay bar/golf/vacation scheduling".

13 posted on 03/01/2014 6:36:56 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: RummyChick

You mean Putin actually has to ask permission of his legislature before committing troops—even to a so-called peacekeeping mission?

How quaint.

Wish we had something like that here (sarc/off)


14 posted on 03/01/2014 6:38:15 AM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: kronos77
"DA"
15 posted on 03/01/2014 6:46:49 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: lodi90

i can’t agree at all. The ethnic Ukrainians already want what you describe. You’ve stated the status quo as it were. This is about the sizable ethnic Russian population in the Crimea and other regions as well.


16 posted on 03/01/2014 6:50:44 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: kronos77
"Once I'm reelected I can be much more flexible"

Everything is going as planned.

17 posted on 03/01/2014 6:53:14 AM PST by Tula Git (There IS a coup in America and it's on track and almost complete.)
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To: kronos77
It's a message to Obama...

Isn't it time for you to take a three week vacation in Hawaii?

18 posted on 03/01/2014 6:53:45 AM PST by sjmjax (Politicans are much like bananas. They start off green, turn yellow then rot.)
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To: wolf78

Is there any Western economy strong enough to start even an economic war with Russia?

Obama was caspar milquetoast yesterday because that’s who he is internationally. That said, none of the options are good even if we had a leader as president.

The Crimea is mostly ethnic Russian and it contains Russia’s only warm water port. They’re not giving it up without a war.


19 posted on 03/01/2014 6:54:54 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: kronos77
senators to approve sending Russian troops

Senators vote to send troops? McCain and Gramnesty vote YES.

Oh, wait, Russian troops.

[/s]
20 posted on 03/01/2014 6:56:48 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: kronos77

In short, we are looking at minimum a repeat of what happened to Czechoslovakia in 1968.


21 posted on 03/01/2014 6:58:22 AM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: wiggen

There is no love between the Ukrainians and the Russians. Putin wants a civil war. The Ukies will not get any support from the pussies in Brussels or the White House. Russia will dominate Ukraine, and there will be another world war. The Ukies know very well what Russians are capable of. They are fiercely nationalist and will fight, but I do not think they have the resources to beat Putin.

This could get very ugly very soon.


22 posted on 03/01/2014 7:04:54 AM PST by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: Howie66

The brotherhood running the west wing have no clue what they are up against. They should keep the nukes, beef up the military and pray real hard. Russians don’t like minorities or moslems, at all.


23 posted on 03/01/2014 7:06:24 AM PST by x_plus_one (The harvest is great but the workers are few. Salman Rushdie is still in hiding.)
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To: kronos77

Their senators or ours? Ours should butt out unless it becomes
clear that WE could be in danger.

And Putin should butt out in that country’s internal affairs
too, but he probably won’t.


24 posted on 03/01/2014 7:11:50 AM PST by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos! Thank you David, Michael, Chris Txradioguy, JJ, CMS, & ALL Vets, too!)
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To: xzins
What about this "Budapest Memorandum" I've been reading about? Are we legally bound along with Britian to protect Ukraine in the event of Russia invading it?

Budapest Memorandum” Treaty Signed In 1994 May Commit U.S., Britain To Defend Ukraine

Fact Check: Could a Little-Known International Agreement With Ukraine Force U.S., Britain Into War With Russia?
26 posted on 03/01/2014 7:22:59 AM PST by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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27 posted on 03/01/2014 7:26:38 AM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: RayChuang88
“Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it”
-George Santayana

I think you have the country right, just the wrong year. This is much more like Nazi Germany's demand for the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia in 1938. Like Adolph Hitler, Putin really believes he can get what he wants, and like Czechoslovakia of 1938 having a sizable minority of Germans the Ukraine has a sizable minority of Russians.

An 1938, the is really nothing the West can do to stop Putin anymore than they could back then stop Hitler. Eventually, Chamberlain “gave” the Sudetenland to Hitler. Obama will give the Crimea to Putin. He will abandon the Ukrainians, just like Chamberlain abandoned the Czechs.

Without consulting the Czechs, the four powers agreed that the Sudetenland should be given to Germany immediately. The governments of Britain and France made it clear to Czechoslovakia that if the Czechs rejected this solution, they would have to fight Germany by themselves.

Rewritten for 2014:

Without consulting the Czechs, the four powersObama and the EU agreed that the SudetenlandCrimea should be given to Germany Russia immediately. The governments of Britainthe USA and Francethe EU made it clear to Czechoslovakiathe Ukraine that if the CzechsUkrainians rejected this solution, they would have to fight GermanyRussia by themselves.

Of course, after that happened, Czechoslovakia wasn't enough for Hitler. He wanted Poland next. Britain and France lamely gave militarily-backed assurances to Poland that they could not fulfill, Hitler invaded anyways, and WWII came to Europe.

So after we give the Crimea to Russia and screw over the Ukrainians, what country will be our Poland?

28 posted on 03/01/2014 7:27:38 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Girlene

Russia is acting according to that document.
They are fighting mob that overthrew legally elected president of Ukraine...


29 posted on 03/01/2014 7:28:03 AM PST by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: kronos77

Putin has his rubber stamp. I guess that means that it is time to cut our military even further. Forward under Obama.


30 posted on 03/01/2014 7:29:07 AM PST by JimSEA
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To: RayChuang88
“Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it”
-George Santayana

I think you have the country right, just the wrong year. This is much more like Nazi Germany's demand for the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia in 1938. Like Adolph Hitler, Putin really believes he can get what he wants, and like Czechoslovakia of 1938 having a sizable minority of Germans the Ukraine has a sizable minority of Russians.

An 1938, the is really nothing the West can do to stop Putin anymore than they could back then stop Hitler. Eventually, Chamberlain “gave” the Sudetenland to Hitler. Obama will give the Crimea to Putin. He will abandon the Ukrainians, just like Chamberlain abandoned the Czechs.

Without consulting the Czechs, the four powers agreed that the Sudetenland should be given to Germany immediately. The governments of Britain and France made it clear to Czechoslovakia that if the Czechs rejected this solution, they would have to fight Germany by themselves.

Rewritten for 2014:

Without consulting the CzechsUkrainians, the four powers Obama and the EU agreed that the Sudetenland Crimea should be given to Germany Russia immediately. The governments of Britain the USA and France the EU made it clear to Czechoslovakiathe Ukraine that if the CzechsUkrainians rejected this solution, they would have to fight GermanyRussia by themselves.

Of course, after that happened, Czechoslovakia wasn't enough for Hitler. He wanted Poland next. Britain and France lamely gave militarily-backed assurances to Poland that they could not fulfill, Hitler invaded anyways, and WWII came to Europe.

So after we give the Crimea to Russia and screw over the Ukrainians, what country will be our Poland?

31 posted on 03/01/2014 7:29:46 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: xzins
I think we’re without significant options here...short of all-out war.

The Afghans turfed the Russians with the help of a few billion dollars in food, equipment and training. Given that Ukraine shares borders with 5 NATO allies, we could ship any amount of equipment the Ukrainians need to ward off the Russians, without the Pakistani corruption that skimmed off the majority of aid to the Afghan mujahideen. The question, of course, is whether Obama and the EU will authorize the aid. My take is that if the EU doesn't feel Russia's invasion is problematic enough for the EU's security to send aid to the Ukrainians, maybe we shouldn't bother. The Europeans are always looking to use our resources to achieve their foreign policy objectives. They did it over both Libya and Syria. Maybe they should spend their own money, for a change.

32 posted on 03/01/2014 7:34:50 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: RayChuang88

Hungary - 1956.


33 posted on 03/01/2014 7:37:32 AM PST by JimSEA
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To: Alas Babylon!

Putin is using the same pretext for invasion that Hitler repeatedly used.


34 posted on 03/01/2014 7:40:50 AM PST by JimSEA
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To: Girlene

Lawyers are probably all over that with a fine-toothed comb.

Legal or not, they’re not going to honor it. Can you see Obama doing that?


35 posted on 03/01/2014 7:46:28 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: kronos77

I guess sponsoring the violent overthrow of the freely elected government in Ukraine and installing neo-Nazis who give Nazi salutes wasn’t such a good idea.


36 posted on 03/01/2014 7:46:39 AM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: kronos77; All
Putin Gets Permission To Use Military In Ukraine
37 posted on 03/01/2014 7:55:17 AM PST by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos! Thank you David, Michael, Chris Txradioguy, JJ, CMS, & ALL Vets, too!)
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To: kronos77

ALL of Russia’s Black Sea fleet is in the Ukraine. There is no way they are not going to protect their interests. They just signed a new lease until 2042 for the ports they use.


38 posted on 03/01/2014 7:56:34 AM PST by My hearts in London - Everett (You think you know me. You don't.)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Perhaps the Baltics?


39 posted on 03/01/2014 7:58:17 AM PST by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

Rent to own?


40 posted on 03/01/2014 7:59:38 AM PST by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: xzins

No, not really. He doesn’t follow our own laws much less some treaty or memorandum with another country.

But....if we DO have legal obligations to defend Ukraine, this will damage our reputation even further.


41 posted on 03/01/2014 8:01:20 AM PST by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: grania
Who else but Putin can stop the Ukraine from becoming Syria, Libya, or Egypt? The tricky part is now...making sure that the radical elements in that protest don't take over. Does anyone seriously believe that those tactics in Kiev with the burning tire barriers etc weren't planned by some seriously trained outside help for the opposition?

Muslims are at most about 1% of Ukraine's population. Ukraine's ejection of Yanukovich has nothing to do with Islam. In contrast, Muslims are not only 10-15% of Russia population - Islam is one of Russia's official religions.

As to the tactics, the demonstrators include veterans of the Soviet Afghan War, members of Ukraine's version of the ROTC and draftees who have served their time (due to a universal military draft for males who come of age).

42 posted on 03/01/2014 8:02:14 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: kronos77

Right. /s


43 posted on 03/01/2014 8:02:15 AM PST by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe
The Ukies will not get any support from the pussies in Brussels or the White House.

If they get a few billion in cash and equipment per year, they will beat the Russians. If they don't, they are gonna lose. But Stepan Bandera gave the Russians a run for their money back in the 40's and 50's, his was a shoestring operation with no support from the state. I expect the Ukrainians will give a good account of themselves even if they have to fight with no outside material aid. Still, it would be a pity to appease Russian imperialists.

44 posted on 03/01/2014 8:08:58 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Girlene
The links you gave have the British former ambassador saying:

Sir Tony Brenton, who served as British Ambassador from 2004 to 2008, said that war could be an option 'if we do conclude the [Budapest] Memorandum is legally binding.' It promises to protect Ukraine's borders, in return for Ukraine giving up its nuclear weapons. Kiev has demanded the agreement is activated after insisting their borders had been violated. In response Mr Brenton said in a BBC radio interview: 'If indeed this is a Russian invasion of Crimea and if we do conclude the [Budapest] Memorandum is legally binding then it's very difficult to avoid the conclusion that we're going to go to war with Russia'.

Honestly, that sounds very lawyeresque.

Putin will also play it that way. He'll say that the "elected" government of the Ukraine is in Moscow asking him to protect the Ukraine. The Brits and the Americans AT BEST will take that and say that they'll await "new elections" before making a decision.

They might just agree that the turmoil over who is the legitimate government ties their hands so far as the treaty is concerned.

That's my opinion. I also think that in any war with Russia that Russia is a capable enemy, and that it won't be like walking over top of the Iraqis.

45 posted on 03/01/2014 8:19:20 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

I agree with your analysis, xzins. We will likely do nothing. But our reputation will be further tarnished.

No, going to war with Russia is not something we are likely want to do. But, financial/humanitarian aid, possibly other “stuff” the Ukranians might need in the event of a complete Russian invasion?

There are other ways to support the Ukranians.


46 posted on 03/01/2014 8:36:19 AM PST by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: kronos77

How thoughtful.


47 posted on 03/01/2014 8:39:16 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Alas Babylon!
“This is much more like Nazi Germany's demand for the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia in 1938.”

Very true. Quite a few people here follow “but Crimea is populated mainly by Russians, let's give it to them” line, they are forgetting that pre-WW2 Hitler's demands were also “rational” in some way. Sudetenland was mainly German speaking, as was Danzig/Gdansk. In 39 Germany could easily strike a deal with Poland If they offered for example machinery, transfer of technology and trade deal in exchange for Danzig and ex-territorial transit to East Prusssia. But 1. They offered nothing 2. It was clear that after they get what they want, they will demand more, more and more. It's the same in case of Crimea.

“what country will be our Poland?”

Likely Estonia and/or Latvia. They have large Russian minorities and although NATO members, there's no significant western military presence and even no serious plans what to do when they are attacked. It's enough to arm a few hundred local Russians, tell them to seize some buildings of administration in a few towns (claiming self-defense against discrimination) and then immediately send a few thousand “peacekeepers” waiting ready near the border.

48 posted on 03/01/2014 10:55:17 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: JimSEA
That part worries me. If the Russians try to take the Ukraine like Hungary tin 1956, the casualty toll could run into the thousands.
49 posted on 03/01/2014 11:52:54 AM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

I agree with most of what you’ve said but think back to Georgia. This is the same plan. Breakaway republics. Russia leaves Kiev alone, most of the Ukraine but separates what they want and nobody will do a thing about it except maybe the Ukrainians themselves.
Who is most likely to help? A few nations like the Czech republic and Poland? Germany? France? Never.


50 posted on 03/01/2014 12:54:37 PM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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