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Russian upper house approves use of force in Ukraine
CNN ^ | March 1, 2014 | Laura Smith-Spark. Diana Magnay and Ingrid Formanek

Posted on 03/01/2014 7:10:27 AM PST by maggief

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To: dfwgator
Blame Khrushchev for this. Of course back then Khrushchev had no idea the Soviet Union would one day break up...But this issue should have been one of the very first things settled after the breakup of the Soviet Union, and Yeltsin was too drunk to deal with it.

It was settled - Ukraine kept the Crimea and gave up its nukes.

101 posted on 03/01/2014 9:36:36 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: tcrlaf

Gee, ya think.

Like being in Danzig in August 1939.


102 posted on 03/01/2014 9:36:51 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: maggief; All
First reports of an armed clash, with casualties, coming in from Simferopol
103 posted on 03/01/2014 9:37:11 AM PST by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Zhang Fei

Wasn’t worth it....if they’d given up the Crimea, the rest would be in the EU and NATO by now.


104 posted on 03/01/2014 9:37:32 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: maggief

The problem that we’re having is that Putin is a leader.

A dictator no good, but still a leader.

And we have a pot smoking, peace activist Community organizer in charge over here.

I don’t have any respect for Obama and I’m not leading a hostile foreign regime.


105 posted on 03/01/2014 9:39:00 AM PST by Tzimisce
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To: HiTech RedNeck

... maybe too late.

http://www.wifr.com/home/headlines/State-Department-Warns-Americans-on-Ukraine-Travel-247961141.html

WASHINGTON (AP) — The State Department is warning U.S. citizens to put off all nonessential travel to Ukraine, and particularly Crimea.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-26387567

The Foreign Office has urged all UK citizens in Crimea to leave amid escalating violence.

It is also advising against all travel to the peninsula in the south of troubled Ukraine, with those remaining advised to “keep a low profile”.


106 posted on 03/01/2014 9:39:49 AM PST by maggief
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To: dfwgator

Another Twitter Report:

“Russian naval vessels including “Moskva” reported headed towards Ukr naval vessels off Crimea coast”


107 posted on 03/01/2014 9:40:03 AM PST by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: goldstategop; maggief
"The Russian Ambassador is going to get a dressing down from the country that had the sun set on its empire?"

The Foreign Minister is going to dramatically read Tennyson's The Charge of the Light Brigade to the Ambassador...

108 posted on 03/01/2014 9:40:12 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
It would be kind of like the Mexican army stepping into the US if things got hot for La Raza, if I understand this situation correctly. The Ukraine has no love lost for Russia. The best we could hope is that Russians would leave the Ukraine behind. Doubt if Putin is just going to call them home though.

It's worse - imagine if Mexico had deliberately starved millions of Americans to death during its former reign over the US in order to crush American opposition.

109 posted on 03/01/2014 9:40:24 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

That’s what the Ukraine has been doing to Crimea?

Yikes. You just don’t DO that to the Bear.


110 posted on 03/01/2014 9:42:06 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: tcrlaf

Now the Canadians have done the same:

“OTTAWA-The Department of Foreign Affairs is advising against travel to Ukraine’s Crimea region and says Canadians already there should consider leaving “while it is safe to do so.”

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4392009-ottawa-advises-canadians-in-ukraine-s-crimea-region-to-leave/?utm_content=buffer742ba&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer


111 posted on 03/01/2014 9:42:56 AM PST by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Zhang Fei

OK. Holodomor. The Ukrainians had a grudge, understandably.

Well it’s going to be messy. Russia going to reclaim Crimea now?


112 posted on 03/01/2014 9:43:57 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Zhang Fei
The annexation of foreign territory

That foreign territory has been part of the USSR/Russia for the last 300+ years.

113 posted on 03/01/2014 9:46:24 AM PST by duckln
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To: tcrlaf
Uh-oh. Honestly none of this is a big surprise so far, but a potential shootout between navy ships?

Very bad, and maybe about to get worse. Much worse.

114 posted on 03/01/2014 9:46:33 AM PST by OKSooner ("As the riders went on by him, he heard one call his name...")
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To: duckln

Correcting Khrushchev’s mistake.


115 posted on 03/01/2014 9:47:08 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: goldstategop

Think of the US and let’s say Panama. If our military and citizens were threatened by a revolution (or maybe a drug dealing dictator), what do you think the US would do?

I’m not backing Putin but I’m just saying...


116 posted on 03/01/2014 9:49:59 AM PST by Woodman
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To: Woodman

Imagine Jimmy Carter giving Southern California to Mexico.

That’s why Khrushchev did with The Crimea, for all intents and purposes.


117 posted on 03/01/2014 9:53:16 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: HiTech RedNeck
That’s what the Ukraine has been doing to Crimea? Yikes. You just don’t DO that to the Bear.

The Russians starved millions of Ukrainians to death. Khrushchev was the Butcher of Ukraine. After WWII, the Red Army slaughtered hundreds of thousands of civilians while putting down a Ukrainian insurrection led by Stepan Bandera. That's the background for Khrushchev's "gift" of the Crimea to Ukraine. It was a peace offering, a consolation prize. I have no idea how emotive this issue is to Ukrainians, but given that Russia has never offered reparations of any kind other than the territorial one, it may be more significant than anyone thinks, and significant enough that Ukrainians are willing to die (and kill Russian troops) in large numbers to keep. Ukrainians are descended from the Cossacks whom the Russians have repeatedly massacred in large numbers in order to keep Ukraine within the Russian empire. In a way, Ukrainians share a history with the Poles of repeated large-scale insurrections against Russia, but without successfully holding the Russians off long enough to regain their independence.

118 posted on 03/01/2014 9:53:43 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Ukrainian insurrection led by Stepan Bandera.

The only people Bandera and his crew hated more than Russians, were Poles. They were despicable characters, on par with the Ustashe in Croatia.

119 posted on 03/01/2014 9:55:26 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Woodman
Think of the US and let’s say Panama. If our military and citizens were threatened by a revolution (or maybe a drug dealing dictator), what do you think the US would do? I’m not backing Putin but I’m just saying...

A revolution in the Philippines (an ex-colony of the US) toppled Ferdinand Marcos. We were turfed from our bases less than a decade later. We stood by.

120 posted on 03/01/2014 9:56:19 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Well this should be messy and interesting... but yeah, the rest of the world probably won’t care.

But Obama, sinking under the weight of Obamacare, needed a squirrel and he has one now.


121 posted on 03/01/2014 9:59:35 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: dfwgator
The only people Bandera and his crew hated more than Russians, were Poles. They were despicable characters, on par with the Ustashe in Croatia.

They were stuck between a rock and a hard place. Both Poland and Russia wanted the Ukraine. The Poles divvied up Czechoslovakia with the Nazis. The Russians gave the Nazis a free hand to invade the West via the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, and helped supply them in that effort. All the players in the war were despicable in some form or fashion. Bandera at least had the excuse that Ukraine was friendless and being attacked from all sides.

122 posted on 03/01/2014 10:00:29 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Ping post 94 what are your thoughts on these missiles


123 posted on 03/01/2014 10:01:24 AM PST by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: Zhang Fei
The Poles divvied up Czechoslovakia with the Nazis

That's crap! The Nazis could care less what the Poles did, they knew their turn was coming...and the Cieszyn region was stolen from the Poles in 1920 by the Czechs, and since Czechoslovakia ceased to be a country in 1938, the Poles then moved in.....There was NO collaboration between the Poles and Nazis in this matter.

124 posted on 03/01/2014 10:03:37 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: crosslink

CNN: Dempsey, Clapper, Hagel, Brennan, etc. leaving West Wing.


125 posted on 03/01/2014 10:06:19 AM PST by maggief
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To: maggief
Dempsey, Clapper, Hagel, Brennan, etc. leaving West Wing.

Better off with Moe, Larry and Curly.

126 posted on 03/01/2014 10:07:16 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

True, at least they are on the side of the US.


127 posted on 03/01/2014 10:08:29 AM PST by maggief
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To: COBOL2Java

OH I like that cartoon LOL!


128 posted on 03/01/2014 10:15:41 AM PST by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: maggief

Yes leaving because Bambi has to watch sportscenter and can’t be bothered until after hoops.


129 posted on 03/01/2014 10:16:09 AM PST by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: onyx

Big difference least Reagan was da man this President he just a boy compare to women he marry and dated

Ronnie got Lana Turner back in da day

Obama got Michelle


130 posted on 03/01/2014 10:16:31 AM PST by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: crosslink

Well FLA state basketball play today at 4pm est so maybe after the game that on regular tv CBS


131 posted on 03/01/2014 10:18:06 AM PST by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: crosslink

What are Zero’s March Madness brackets?


132 posted on 03/01/2014 10:19:27 AM PST by reagandemocrat
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To: reagandemocrat

Well the brackets are not set NOT YET

So not sure either


133 posted on 03/01/2014 10:21:08 AM PST by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: crosslink

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/01/crimea-crisis-deepens-as-russia-and-ukraine-ready-forces-live-updates

6.22pm GMT

US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel spoke on Saturday with his Russian counterpart, Sergei Shoigu, a US official told Reuters, Asked about rumors some U.S. military units had been on alert over turmoil in the Crimean peninsula, the official said the U.S. focus was on diplomatic options.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/03/01/ukraine-crisis-usa-military-idINDEEA2008D20140301


134 posted on 03/01/2014 10:24:25 AM PST by maggief
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To: crosslink

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2014/03/01/mass-conn-governors-oppose-military-cuts/53yS6DG5D80gCTICVxiPGJ/story.html

BOSTON (AP) — The governors of Massachusetts, Connecticut and Rhode Island are stepping up calls on President Barack Obama to scale back the proposed shrinking of the Army National Guard.

Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, Connecticut’s Dannel Malloy and Rhode Island’s Lincoln Chafee joined 44 other governors who sent a joint letter to Obama expressing strong opposition to a plan to reduce the forces from 358,000 nationwide to 315,000.


135 posted on 03/01/2014 10:28:36 AM PST by maggief
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To: maggief

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/01/crimea-crisis-deepens-as-russia-and-ukraine-ready-forces-live-updates

Andrew Neil@afneil

Looks like Crimea is being annexed by Russia. And, for Ukraine, it is unlikely to end there.
11:14 AM - 1 Mar 2014

John McCain@SenJohnMcCain

Deeply concerned that #Russia will expand its mil intervention in E. #Ukraine - Obama needs to impose “costs” now http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=e638967f-8355-4182-abce-bae26a1d2631
11:50 AM - 1 Mar 2014


136 posted on 03/01/2014 10:35:32 AM PST by maggief
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To: maggief; a fool in paradise

It’s the weekend for heaven’s sake! Come Monday morning, the EU and the White Hut will initiate aggressive response action first thing in the morning.


137 posted on 03/01/2014 10:39:59 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: maggief

To all those who “could care less” and support Obama’s inaction (without stating so explicitly): Next, the Baltics, and then Poland.


138 posted on 03/01/2014 10:41:18 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: PGalt
No worries world! We here in the US are enjoying our Happy Hour with the 1st World President Obama who is busy lowering the world's oceans, yada, yada, yada.

Oh yes, and to earn his Nobel Peace Prize, he reducing our military to before WW2 strength. Happy Days are here again!

139 posted on 03/01/2014 10:42:01 AM PST by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: maggief

Per CNN reporter in country she can see several Russian ships near the coast.


140 posted on 03/01/2014 10:44:33 AM PST by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: crosslink

FWIW:

http://webtv.un.org/#

Press Conference: the Spokesperson for the Secretary-General will read a statement on Ukraine

Martin Nesirky, Spokesperson for the Secretary-General will speak on behalf of the Secretary-General, and will take a few questions in Press Briefing Room.


141 posted on 03/01/2014 10:45:31 AM PST by maggief
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To: maggief

Ha ha with Russia having veto power in the UN Security Council no one cares what the UN says, cue up the Hans Blix from Team America LOL


142 posted on 03/01/2014 10:47:31 AM PST by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: maggief; crosslink

Thank you for your work on this thread.


143 posted on 03/01/2014 10:48:19 AM PST by reagandemocrat
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To: crosslink
Heard the same thing on FNC. Those reporters don't have cameras?

+++++++++


144 posted on 03/01/2014 10:49:03 AM PST by maggief
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To: Revolting cat!

Swiss air force “please don’t invade during non-standard business hours” PING!

http://rt.com/news/swiss-fighters-office-hours-514/


145 posted on 03/01/2014 10:49:22 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The Texas judge's decision was to pave the way for same sex divorce for two Massachusetts women.)
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To: reagandemocrat

You are most welcome ... trying to staying on top of events as they happen.


146 posted on 03/01/2014 10:50:06 AM PST by maggief
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To: reagandemocrat; maggief

Maggie does all the heavy lifting I just bloviate.

I asked the admin if he could move this to breaking seeing it’s the biggest story of 2014


147 posted on 03/01/2014 10:52:20 AM PST by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: maggief

(Russian news source)

http://rt.com/news/yarosh-nationalist-address-umarov-380/

Ukraine nationalist leader calls on ‘most wanted’ terrorist Umarov ‘to act against Russia’
Published time: March 01, 2014 18:12
Edited time: March 01, 2014 18:45

A leader of the Ukrainian radical group Pravy Sektor (Right Sector), Dmitry Yarosh, has called on Russia’s most wanted terrorist Doku Umarov to act against Russia in an address posted on Right Sector’s page in VKontakte social network.

The statement points out that “many Ukrainians with arms in the hands” supported Chechen militants in their fight against Russians and “it is time to support Ukraine now.”

The message, signed “leader of Right Sector Dmitry Yarosh” then calls on Umarov “to activate his fight” and “take a unique chance to win” over Russia.


148 posted on 03/01/2014 10:52:24 AM PST by maggief
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To: crosslink

It was moved into Breaking News, but out again. ?


149 posted on 03/01/2014 10:54:22 AM PST by maggief
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To: Revolting cat!
Keyboard commandos need to realize that elections, drawbacks, futile military “excursions” of attrition, over-spending, cronyism, horrible military leadership (Where self-preservation of selfish advancement rather than the mission is the top priority) in the last 26 years have consequences to future safeguarding of the planet by the United States.

The US is boxed in and needs to cure internal problems before branching out in order to face an adversary whose military is not a (Iraqi/Middle Eastern) joke.
150 posted on 03/01/2014 10:54:58 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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