Skip to comments.Kiev events is coup organized by open Nazis who follow Bandera tradition - expert
Posted on 03/01/2014 11:00:08 AM PST by jimbo123Edited on 03/01/2014 11:05:24 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Ms. Larouche, how can you comment on the situation in Ukraine at the current time?
I think it is extremely important that the truth about the events be made internationally known because there is such an absolute discrepancy between what is happening or what has been happening and how the mainstream Western media have been portraying events.
I think that the press conference by President Yanukovych from yesterday, where he stated that he still is the legitimate president of Ukraine, is absolutely true because there was no impeachment procedure and what happened in Kiev was a coup by people who are predominantly openly Nazis. They are obviously back to the tradition of Stepan Bandera, who was a Nazi collaborator in the 1940 helping the invasion of the Nazis. And these are people who openly use the slogans, logos which are very clearly Nazi.
And all the outside interference was also very clearly proven by the statement of Victoria Nuland with the US Ambassador to Kiev. And now they have a guy who claims to be President, who Victoria Nuland calls "Yats." So they have now a President Yats, who claims to be President, and he lacks any legitimacy.
Yanukovych said during that press conference he is planning to return to Ukraine. How realistic do you think is this?
Well, I think it really depends on the person and the truth about who is now being made known internationally, which is already happening: many more articles, especially in the internet and blogs, but also some mainstream press started to report it, and I think this is absolutely kosher, and naturally it also depends on the internal situation both in the EU and in the US.
You had yesterday this very remarkable contradiction in which President Obama got himself into, where he gave a press conference in front of international press, where he basically said that it would have “very serious consequences” if Russia would intervene in the Crimea or in general in Ukraine. And then a little bit later he said there would be serious costs, possibly even military reaction from the US on NATO. And then 45 minutes later in the Capitol Hilton Hotel in front of the Democratic National Committee, and when somebody asked him, about ten minutes into his speech, “Obama, tell us something about your plan of a nuclear war against Russia,” Obama was obviously caught off guard completely and said, "What the hell are you talking about?" and asked this person what he was reading he denied exactly what he had said 45 minutes earlier.
Now, that is really getting to the truth of the matter. So I don’t think it’s not only about what happens inside Ukraine and how realistic it is, it really depends on a lot of outside circumstances because what happened in Ukraine was not triggered by inside Ukraine, but you had many people who claimed they are for the association with the EU had been organized by 2,200 NGOs, which are financed by the West, from the National Endowment of Democracy to George Soros’s Foundation to the Konrad-Adenauer-Stiftung. This inside meddling led in 2004 to the Orange Revolution and part of what has happened was activated by these kinds of people and financed from the outside.
But then you also have this eruption of Nazi organizations which are really run by the British because in the post-war period Nazi collaborators were not prosecuted despite the fact that they had killed tens of thousands of Jews and Polish people and Ukrainian communists. But they were taken over by MI6, and also Allan Dallas, and later they were taken over by General Gehlen from the organization of the BND (Bundesnachrichtendienst).
So these are not honest people, but this is an operation by the British Empire to destabilize Russia. It is really directed against Russia. And it obviously has a danger of a further nuclear confrontation, which if it occurs will lead to complete extinction of the human race. Therefore it’s really up to the US to return back to its Constitution and it’s up to the EU, or rather to the people in the EU, to make sure the truth is known about this danger which is really threatening the civilization as a whole.
Voice of Russia
They’re opposing the fascist authorities in the east and south. Kiev’s new rulers have no legitimacy there and no authority to do anything. You can be sure the “Bandrovsi” from Kiev will meet with outright resistance.
The Daily Beast liberals are saying the Banderstaat Nazis aren’t that bad but they need to be tolerant of gays!
LaRouche, LaRouche . . . that name is ringing a bell.
Bandera hated Poles even more than Russians. Maybe if Bandera could have teamed up with the Armia Krajowa, maybe they could have won together.
Give up, expert knows! The mythical Nazis are back from wherever they retreated to after WWII.
Voice of Russia ??!
Voice of Russia ??!
They gave a revolution and the slaves, many of whom are populating FR, shout “off with their heads!” America used to be for freedom, now it can’t tell the difference. Long Live Chains!
The Fascist is in Moscow, and his puppets trying to subvert Ukraine and re Russify it.
I'm still amazed at the apparently bottomless barrel of excuses for Putin's filthy regime to be found on FR.
It’s clear that Crimea will vote for independence and enter a strategic defense and economic agreement with Russia. And Donetsk, Lugansk, and Kharkiv will follow with the same vote and affiliation agreement after. The Banderstaat Nazis will be able to keep the rest of Ukraine and if they get out of line, Putin will cut off gas to Western Europe.
That’s in the neighborhood of 99% Russian disinformation. There are some fascist elements involved. But not to the extent that Russia would like for the world to believe. The Russians citing Bandera is like Jackson and Sharpton seeing racism everywhere they look.
Thank You for the broccoli flavored ice cream last evening. It was delicious!
This is probably the article the New York Times looked at when they decided there was a lot of pure BS being peddled on this matter. When the NYT calls you out and says you're calling regular folks Nazis, put down your pen and go home.
The Banderstaat are the ones with the molotov cocktails, the stockpiles of rocks, the IEDs, the stockpiles of rocks and the weapons looted from police stations across Western Ukraine. They are the vast majority of the ones with weapons and the desire to kill Russians, Jews and Ukrainians who don’t agree with their master plan.
It is not only the Larouche nuts who are saying this. Jim Robinson doesn’t want the name of the woman mentioned in this forum, but she says it, too.
Wow. There seems to be a concerted effort on FR to label any Ukrainian seeking freedom as a Nazi, and siding with Putin. Nice job, disruptors!
The Ukrainian situation cannot be simplified into the sound bites most Americans expect to be spoon fed. It’s much more complicated. Add in the Russian disinformation and it gets more confusing.
What is your agenda?
Your repetitious mantra throughout these threads is becoming monotonous.
Congratulate yourself for mastering the copy/paste feature on your computer. Now perhaps you could try typing something thought provoking, original and based on real facts.
okay, you win. I did not like the ice cream but it was a nice gesture on your part. I lied when I said I love broccoli.
“Voice of Russia”
LOL ! You do realize that the Voice of Russia is owned by Russian government ?
Oh, OK, George!
Propaganda uses something called “blood liable.” Those people on the other side kidnap and eat our babies. They must be killed without mercy. They’re not human. Accusing somebody of being a Nazi or racist is similar. First, label them. Make them different and inferior in every way. The very fact that Putin has engaged the propaganda machinery tells us what his intentions are. We’ll probably see a WWII level style of killing.
Also, the same people siding with the Western Ukrainian “Freedom Fighters” (Obama, Soros, Nuland, Kerry, etc) are the same people who sided with Al Qaeda in Syria and Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Why shouldn’t we be suspicious when Obama picks sides?
The problem is that most of those repeating the propaganda talking points are merely mindless parrots, useful idiots, who “want to stop Obama from starting a war with Russia”.
I haven’t seen enough to make that call. I’m open to reading more if you have sources.
And you think you will “keep Obama from starting a war with Russia” by posting on this forum?
“Its much more complicated.”
Therein lies the lesson we should pay close attention to. When the consent of the governed is withdrawn, chaos reigns and the prepared & merciless will fast take advantage of it.
I must confess I do not like war ... and I hate broccoli flavored ice cream.
One way out of that conundrum is to pick a side yourself, first. /s
Please don't ask me to explain why, because if you need to ask . . . .
I choose the American People’s Side. I know the American People have made mistakes and so has Israel but I will choose these two first as my favorites for where we are headed.
It would seem that he possesses near mythical multi-tasking skills.
He seamlessly managed the pageantry, splendor and corruption of the Olympics while also planning the assimilation of Ukraine back into the Soviet empire.
I wonder what his computer skills are like?
I bet the ObamaCare website would have worked if Putin coded it.
by calling Ukrainians nazis will stop obama from starting a war with russia? really? wow.
When Patriots will rise up against obama, will you call them nazis also? heck, you might as well say FR is a nazi website. The Tea Party people are nazis.
I suggest you educate yourself about what happened in Ukraine and stop drinking the propaganda kool-aid.
Bandera was an anti-communist freedom fighter, murdered by the USSR. Feel free to claim otherwise, but that’s the truth.
Darned autocorrect...That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
Hackers much like china and their crowd. Then one adds in those moslem hackers and one has a complete picture.
Anti-Polish as well.
Allan Dallas? Did he have a powerful brother too - Jon Faster Dallas?
No mention of the Jews?
This whole situation is a mega sh*tstorm. Unfortunately, McInsane will be calling for nukes!
You know, I don’t even think that EU agreement will go through. The Svoboda guys will likely shun both sides.