Skip to comments.Ukraine vs. Russia -- here's what's really going on
Posted on 03/01/2014 1:01:41 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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What a novel idea, maybe Obama should try it for Americans, on the Mexican border, for a start.
Apparently there is a lot of doubt on FR.
We can expect pro-Russian uprisings throughout the regions east of the Dnieper river, Crimea...and along the southern coast of Ukraine, though Odessa. We might even see a continuous bloc of pro-Russian "governments reaching all the way to "Trinisteria" near Romania.
But I suspect they'll be done by then.
After all, who wants to take on the BASKET CASE of the "Balkanized" Western Ukraine? Nobody wants that, not even the Russians.
They'd be happy to see the EU take that on.
Obama has no skin in this game.
Just the US military and middle class taxpayers that Obama and the Progressive DemoRats hate so much.
East Ukraine manufactures a lot of Russia’s military components.
I don’t know the answer to your question. Not sure the public does.
I personally believe the extreme actions of the former President of Ukraine reaped its own overthrow. Did the CIA help? I don’t know.
Western Ukrainians don’t - in the worst case scenario I don’t see Russia going further than the Dnieper River. I think that would be the probable limit of Russian conquests and it would also give Moscow a land bridge to Transnistria. IF there is a war.
Russia is simply to going to avoid Western Ukraine because it would not be welcome there and the costs of occupying it are simply too high to be worth the risk. The West can have it if it wants.
The new border will be drawn along the Crimea River.
I saw what you did there.
Gaddafy learned the hard way. We lost a fine pilot on that mission. RIP to both the pilot and Reagan.
Those Ukraine girls really knock me out...
When you remember the report of CNN's Eason Jordan, who admitted that for a decade the network had censored the attrocities that were occuring in Iraq under Hussein, one has to wonder if what we are reading about the Ukraine is not more propaganda by our own MSM in order to further this administration's agenda.........
I'm open to suggestions.........
I don’t know. Communists? Nazis? Sorry, redundant.
The Ukraine is rich with newly discovered natural resources and there are forces within that want them to join the failing EU.........
Yanukovich is opposed to that union, and rightfully so, and has instead chosen to accept aid from Russia..............
This is not a typical uprising of the people against the president who really hasn't done anything wrong. Instead, there's a coordinated faction, similar to our past SDS and Weathermen, that is successfully funding and leading the civilian protests that are going on in the Ukraine........
Communists? Nazis? I don't know either. You going to trust the MSM to give you the truth?
We know how that turned out regarding the final disclosure of chemical WMD's to Syria and the uranium that was shipped to Canada don't we?
According to the MSM, they never existed...........
I agree! The thing that would hurt Russia the most is the per barrel price of crude dropping below $70. The Unicorn President - also known as President Hornbreath - would never sign off on American energy resources being brought to bear to make that a reality.
What scares me domestically speaking is Putin putting Zero in his place and dissing him so publically. I’m afraid Zero will be so enraged by Putin’s actions that he’ll take it out on his own citizens in order to prove he’s a badass. Get ready for an avalanche of executive orders and regulations then.
Now some are trying to use a tiny radical movement as justification for partitioning of the entire country. As if we didn’t witness a huge movement in Kiev and it’s Parliament to oust the dictator.
Parts if the US are heavily Mexican
Parts of Austria, Poland and Czechoslovakia were heavily German in the 30’s...
this justifies nothing
Yanukovich robbed the country blind, they removed him from power legitimately too
According to who? CNN?
You may be right but I no longer have any faith in reports the MSM is airing on the Ukraine or anywhere else in this world..........
As I stated previously, the MSM totally ignored what was going on in Iraq under Hussein and they hid the revelation of the chemical WMD's being shipped to Syria and the uranium to Canada..........
The primary question I have is who was behind the riots in the streets and why were they so organized?
The last such insurrection we saw involved a bunch of protesters over a youtube video..........at least that's what we've been told.
According to every media outlet and the opposition too.
Anyone who would declare the Presidential Palace their private property is a crook, any leader who wants to create their own Constitution is a third world-type dictator.
Who was behind the “riots” in the streets? Apparently millions of Ukrainians.
There was no insurrection over a Youtube video.
That’s what scary - Putin could be nuts, and we know
Obama is nuts, and they just talked for 90 minutes...
To control the Dnieper is to control water traffic from the Black Sea to the Baltic.
Killing the petrochemical cash flow is what brought down the Soviet Union.
What’s really going on is putin wants to put the old soviet union back together.
It sure looks that way
More like the Russian Empire.
>>>Russia is simply to going to avoid Western Ukraine because it would not be welcome there and the costs of occupying it are simply too high to be worth the risk. The West can have it if it wants.
Not to mention the West of Ukraine is ox and a cart and Kiev only survives redistributing wealth created by docile hardworking easterners to politically active western freeloaders.
Yes it does. There is a major tank repair/rebuild facility just to the east of Kiev
That's my question too. One half of me asks: Where did they get all those riot police shields? I don't think one can order hundreds of those off the internet. And the other half says: Why didn't they just arm them with weapons instead?
“..bottom line - obozo is a bottom twink and putin knows it...”
But let’s do a little comparison since they’re both tyrannical dictators:
obamie: community organizer (chicago thug & trouble maker)
Putin: Former KGB agent
obamie: hates the country he’s king over - destroying it.
Putin: Proud Russian that loves his country.
obamie: a fake milk-toast gay liberal pansy man.
Putin: a strong man’s man.
obamie: loves muslims and their slime, hates Christians.
Putin: hates muslims and their slime, supports his church.
I wonder if Putin will support the secession and independence of the sovereign state of Texas when the time comes?
Remember, there’s much more flexibility in O’s second term.
What I've not seen most people factor in, is the true position of the EU.
Our purported best friends and allies.
The EU is an elitist, socialist, NGO constructed to battle economically against the USA, while maintaining NATO military defense relations, primarily paid for and manned by the USA.
I'm just a cynical old Cold War veteran, who has loosely followed the political and financial antics of the insane EU construct for several decades.
Most people don't acknowledge that the actual citizens of the EU aligned countries have never affirmatively voted themselves in or out of it.
It just grew like a virulent cancer out of corrupt political financial deals to the point that the current elected leaders of the UK and other nation state members now absolutely refuse to bring the whole thing to any popular vote, before their own reelections are cemented.
I find it odd to think that the majority population of the Ukraine would want to voluntarily join into what a sizable population of current member nations of the EU want to exit.
I wonder if Germany would be so open to conciliatory talks with Russia, if 100% of the proposed USA DOD cuts came from closing USA NATO Army bases there.And if people in the western Ukraine would be so very eager to join the EU, if they knew the history, and probable outcome of that decision
Oh well...just my own private musings on current events.
Yep, the Poles have been itchin’ for a fight since 1945, and they won’t let the Russians anywhere near Western Ukraine without a fight.
Fortunately, I do not believe Putin would be so stupid. He has a case for Crimea, and perhaps even the Donetsk Region, he will get a pass on that....But if he threatens Kiev, or Lviv, then it’s a whole new ballgame.
Putin would laugh his ass off. Sanctions? Have western Europe will freeze their asses off when they stop buying Russian natgas due to sanctions?
Putin’s got them (and us) by the short hairs on this one. Geopolitically we’re weak in Ukraine and the rest of the Russian neighborhood. Recent incompetence by our glorious leadership on just about everything certainly doesn’t make Russians really worried.
Yeah man. Good God, if this goes full out you’re looking at any major city in Ukraine or Western Russia looking like Stalingrad in ‘42 in about two days. One thing the Russkies do is pile on the artillery.
“I see a bad moon a’rising, looks like troubles on the way...” Gonna be big market shifts, right before the war gets everyone small involved. Heck of a deal.
So we've got problems.
Very true. The election of leftist governments has given the Russians an open door to Latin America.
Cuba and VZ are its main landing points, but it’s also getting into Ecuador and Bolivia (relatively new to the leftist fold) and I read that Brazil is also fair game.
Our inaction there, even when these leftist governments have seriously damaged US and European interests, has made it clear to Russia that there’s nothing to fear from us. And, of course, Russia’s friend Iran is already there, particularly in VZ.