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The flagship of the NAVY of Ukraine "Hetman Sahaidachny" defected to the Russian (Translated)
Isvestia ^ | 3-1-2014 | Isvestia

Posted on 03/01/2014 4:43:36 PM PST by tcrlaf

Member of the Committee on International Affairs, Igor Morozov, who currently is in Crimea, told Izvestia that the RUSSIAN armed forces are prepared to carry out any operations. He confirmed that today is the flagship of the Navy of Ukraine "Hetman Sahaidachny" moved to the side of Russia.

-Ukraine has virtually no Navy. The flagship of the NAVY of Ukraine "Hetman Sahaidachny" today switched to our side. They hung out St. Andrew's flag. The flagship goes after the exercises from the Mediterranean into the black with a St. Andrew's flag. They complied, Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces of Ukraine Victor Yanukovich and went to the side of Russia, he said.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: crimea; navy; russia; ukraine; viktoryanukovich; yuliatymoshenko
Translated from Isvestia by MS.

Interesting development, to say the least.

1 posted on 03/01/2014 4:43:36 PM PST by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf

Most of the Ukrainian Navy resigned last week, I’m not shocked, It’s a Russian Navy. The Black Sea Fleet.


2 posted on 03/01/2014 4:51:23 PM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: tcrlaf

A soveriegn country full of people loyal to another country.

Just remember this during the AMNESTY debates


3 posted on 03/01/2014 4:52:08 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: tcrlaf

And it’s likely that most of the Ukraine Armed Forces are loyal to President Yanukovich, not to the unelected gang in Kiev.


4 posted on 03/01/2014 4:53:27 PM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: tcrlaf

>>Ukraine has virtually no Navy. The flagship of the NAVY of Ukraine “Hetman Sahaidachny” today switched to our side. They hung out St. Andrew’s flag.<<

They don’t have air force as well. How could a dozen Russians arrive to a major airbase in Crimea and capture it without a shot fired? It seems like Ukrainian military has picked sides and don’t want Galician Nazis to run the show.


5 posted on 03/01/2014 4:55:37 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

The Ukrainian military is loath to get involved in a civil war and Russians are fellow Slavs.

If its a war, there has been so far no loss of life and no bloodshed. But things can quickly change without warning.


6 posted on 03/01/2014 4:59:59 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: GeronL
A sovereign country full of people loyal to another country.

Just remember this during the AMNESTY debates

What an excellent, excellent point you make, my FRiend.

I'll be sure to echo your caution on subsequent posts.

.

7 posted on 03/01/2014 5:03:28 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: cunning_fish
The Russians and Eastern Ukranians remember the US from Serbia/Kosovo, and they remember the ethnic Russians in South Ossetia.
8 posted on 03/01/2014 5:03:46 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Seaplaner; GeronL

Ditto


9 posted on 03/01/2014 5:10:02 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: GeronL

That is a most excellent point.


10 posted on 03/01/2014 5:11:23 PM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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11 posted on 03/01/2014 5:14:01 PM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: tcrlaf

It’s not good for the Ukrainians. Can they even trust their own military?


12 posted on 03/01/2014 5:14:32 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: cunning_fish
don’t want Galician Nazis to run the show

Oh come on...they really aren't all that different anymore.

Nashi may call themselves anti-fascist, but white nationalism is part of their program as well.

It's just a dispute over who is more zealous in kicking out non-whites, muslims, jews and anyone else who isn't vaguely Slavic.

Funny that Putin and his gang accuses others of being "fascist", they're the most successful fascists I've ever seen...

13 posted on 03/01/2014 5:16:17 PM PST by Regulator
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To: GeronL

“A soveriegn country full of people loyal to another country.

Just remember this during the AMNESTY debates!”

Excellent point!


14 posted on 03/01/2014 5:30:08 PM PST by Grampa Dave ( Obozo Care is a Trinity of Lies! Obozo Care is probably a serious Black Swan event.)
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To: GeronL

“A soveriegn country full of people loyal to another country.

Just remember this during the AMNESTY debates”

Post of the year.


15 posted on 03/01/2014 5:31:33 PM PST by usual suspect
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To: GeronL

Thank you.


16 posted on 03/01/2014 5:34:59 PM PST by Rusty0604
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To: Viennacon
It’s not good for the Ukrainians. Can they even trust their own military?

As matter of fact, it is good that the Ukrainian military is not going into a shooting war. The Ukrainian military protects the people; killing them and destroying cities would be a bad way to protect them. So far the people are threatened only by roving bands of Nazis; those bands are, in fact, threatened by both Ukrainian and Russian armies, as they should be.

The current situation cannot be won militarily - at least because there is no specific political problem that can be resolved by military force. This applies to both Ukrainian and Russian armies. Their task at this point is simply to prevent further violence. Crimea, or any other territory, physically cannot be annexed by Russia without approval of the people who live on those territories. If you were the US President, and if you could annex Afghanistan, would you do that and grant all Afghanis free access to the US land?

17 posted on 03/01/2014 5:39:00 PM PST by Greysard
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
And it’s likely that most of the Ukraine Armed Forces are loyal to President Yanukovich, not to the unelected gang in Kiev.

The Parliament isn't unelected. And Yanukovich's bid to make himself President-for-Life is not very different from Chile's Salvador Allende's attempt to entrench himself in power by nationalizing everything in sight, including the press.

18 posted on 03/01/2014 5:44:08 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: tcrlaf
The flagship of the NAVY of Ukraine "Hetman Sahaidachny" today switched to our side. They hung out St. Andrew's flag.

So they defected to Scotland?

19 posted on 03/01/2014 5:45:35 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Greysard

The Russians won’t mind granting the Crimeans access to their land. Most are ethnic Russian


20 posted on 03/01/2014 5:49:17 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: goldstategop
The Ukrainian military is loath to get involved in a civil war and Russians are fellow Slavs. If its a war, there has been so far no loss of life and no bloodshed. But things can quickly change without warning.

The Russians sure had no problem deliberately starving 7m rebellious Ukrainians to death during the Holodomor, in addition to conducting a dozen other large scale massacres of Ukrainians in the process of putting down Ukrainian insurrections. Ultimately, the Ukrainians have to decide what their response will be. We can't do their fighting for them. If their response is to fight the Russians to the last dead GI, the way many of our existing allies seem to think, then they should get used to being a Russian province.

21 posted on 03/01/2014 5:50:46 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei
The Parliament isn't unelected.

Reportedly, MPs are forced to vote as they are told. They are physically assaulted, and their families are held hostage. In the photo below the governor of Volyn region was nearly killed, then dragged to the local Maidan and chained to the post:

What kind of legitimacy can be expected from a lynch mob?

22 posted on 03/01/2014 6:03:23 PM PST by Greysard
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To: tcrlaf

I wonder if there are any “Ukranians” on the ships that defected. Or are they all “Russian”?


23 posted on 03/01/2014 6:07:14 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Navy Patriot

>>The Russians and Eastern Ukranians remember the US from Serbia/Kosovo, and they remember the ethnic Russians in South Ossetia.

To be honest there weren’t too much ethnic-Russians in Ossetia.
Ossetians are simply Christians of Iranian origin living in this area for centuries. Russians historically maintained relations with them to use imaginary or real threats from local Muslims towards Ossetians to ride in and kick some Muslim butt.
This time it was a fellow Christian Georgians who behaved as nasty as usually Muslims does in Russian opinion and it made sense to play Ossetian card against them.
It hasn’t helped that Georgians has treated Ossetians as untermenschen.
It is exactly what made Georgian Iranians a Russian nationals. For persecuted non-citizens of a banana republic of Georgia, falsely advertised as a young democracy and vibrant economy by neo-cons, Russian citizenship offered by consular office in Tskhinvali was a bargain.
Even as Georgians has fixed their attitudes and offered some rights to Ossetians it couldn’t help much. Unlike for the rest of Georgians, crawling through a Russian border at night wasn’t a requirement to get a good job for them anymore. Not to mention they could travel to about the half of the world without visas with Russian passport.


24 posted on 03/01/2014 6:11:46 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Greysard
Reportedly, MPs are forced to vote as they are told. They are physically assaulted, and their families are held hostage. In the photo below the governor of Volyn region was nearly killed, then dragged to the local Maidan and chained to the post: What kind of legitimacy can be expected from a lynch mob?

The question is - who reported it? Note that the Russians came up with the blood libel that the CIA invented AIDS to kill black people. If you read the Russian media's English language forums, you'll notice that it's full of vituperation against the "fascist" West written by people whose first language is clearly not English. It's clear, from the way Russia hasn't removed Lenin's statues from public areas, that the Russian public remains infatuated with him. It's also clear, from jimbo's reposting of a Lenin statue being removed from a Ukrainian public space, that he views this as sacrilege of the highest order and ipso facto proof that the Ukrainians are Nazis. I understand the Russian view - Lenin occupies no pride of place in any Western public places. Ergo, we must all be fascists to slight this great Russian and world citizen.

25 posted on 03/01/2014 6:18:17 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Straight Vermonter
"So they defected to Scotland? "


26 posted on 03/01/2014 6:18:35 PM PST by PLMerite
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To: Greysard

My point is - I could show you a handcuffed guy and tell you he is Putin’s personal slave. Heck, the Palestinians will show you any number of body parts of dead children and tell you that the Israelis cooked them to bake matzohs. That photo showed a guy chained to a post, with a riot police shield and some generic guy in the background. Was he a protestor being held before processing? Was he a pro-Yanukovich official posing for the camera? Nobody knows. We’ll find out how the Ukrainian people really feel when elections are held in May 2014.


27 posted on 03/01/2014 6:28:28 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: All
This is the vessel in the news...


28 posted on 03/01/2014 6:35:50 PM PST by az_gila
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To: Greysard

The continued Russian blood libels - that Americans are fascists, Nazis and so on tells me that the Russians are unreconstructed imperialists with an unlimited appetite for land grabs, unchanged from the Soviet and Tsarist eras. Do they really think Americans are fascists and Nazis? Who knows? Who cares? The point here is that the Russians are on the march.


29 posted on 03/01/2014 6:36:43 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: GeronL

“A soveriegn country full of people loyal to another country.”

Including our illegitimate commander in chief along with his entire administration and 3/4 of congress.


30 posted on 03/01/2014 6:43:04 PM PST by RS_Rider (I hate Illinois Nazis)
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To: Zhang Fei
That photo showed a guy chained to a post, with a riot police shield and some generic guy in the background. Was he a protestor being held before processing?

It's a legit photo. A governor of a province is a known person. Here is his bio, with a photo. And here is the article, see for yourself. I will quote a little here:

Volyn governor beat hard on the eyes of 30,000 protesters

The official was seized by protesters during the storming of the regional Ministry of Internal Affairs

Real violence perpetrated protesters Ukrainian Lutsk. Volyn region governor Alexander Bashkalenko tried to appease a mob, but no amount of persuasion had no effect. Politics was severely beaten and then handcuffed on the central square in the eyes 30 thousand people and doused with cold water. There is information that the protesters went to the house of the governor for his family.


31 posted on 03/01/2014 6:52:01 PM PST by Greysard
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To: Greysard

It's a legit photo. A governor of a province is a known person. Here is his bio, with a photo. And here is the article, see for yourself. I will quote a little here:

Volyn governor beat hard on the eyes of 30,000 protesters

The official was seized by protesters during the storming of the regional Ministry of Internal Affairs

Real violence perpetrated protesters Ukrainian Lutsk. Volyn region governor Alexander Bashkalenko tried to appease a mob, but no amount of persuasion had no effect. Politics was severely beaten and then handcuffed on the central square in the eyes 30 thousand people and doused with cold water. There is information that the protesters went to the house of the governor for his family.

Here's the full story from the BBC at this link. It appears that Ukrainian governors are appointed by the President rather than elected:

Also, the President appoints and dismisses the Heads of the Local State Administrations (i.e. governors) by nomination of the Cabinet of Ministers. The debate on whether the President could hypothetically reject the candidate for the governorship officially proposed by the Prime Minister, thus forcing the latter to come up with a different nomination, is yet to be resolved.
As Yanukovich's appointee, the governor may have had no popular support. Ukrainian governors are not members of parliament, and would have had no hand in the 75% vote turfing Yanukovich.
32 posted on 03/01/2014 7:07:50 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei
As Yanukovich's appointee, the governor may have had no popular support.

That certainly could be the case. Most US Presidents don't have popular support; but for some reason we don't torture them. My examples were offered to demonstrate widespread violence against opponents of Maidan. There are reports about beatings of MPs, seizing their voting cards and then voting with them. How true those reports are? Hard to say from here. But if true, who exactly voted with those stolen cards?

Here is another article. It says that one MP got a child kidnapped. Other MP's families are visited by "radicals." It's personal there now.

33 posted on 03/01/2014 7:29:07 PM PST by Greysard
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To: GeronL

It’s time to fix our international tax mess and then end dual citizenship. Loyalty to America only.


34 posted on 03/01/2014 7:39:38 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

bump


35 posted on 03/01/2014 7:39:59 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Peter the Great adopted the flag as the flag of the Navy.


36 posted on 03/01/2014 10:53:42 PM PST by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: VerySadAmerican
I wonder if there are any “Ukranians” on the ships that defected. Or are they all “Russian”?

Any sailor with divided loyalties will probably keep it to himself.

37 posted on 03/02/2014 10:07:12 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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