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Ukraine Puts Military on Full Alert After Russian Intervention Threat
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Posted on 03/01/2014 4:59:37 PM PST by Sub-Driver

Ukraine Puts Military on Full Alert After Russian Intervention Threat But Kiev's New Politicians Don't Offer Immediate Countermoves to Moscow By Margaret Coker And Alexander Kolyandr Updated March 1, 2014 6:33 p.m. ET

KIEV—Ukraine ordered its military to full combat alert after Russia's threat of military intervention in the country, but Kiev's new politicians didn't offer immediate countermoves to Moscow, amid reluctance by its Western supporters to stand with it militarily.

Ukraine's Security Council huddled throughout Saturday evening, while civil unrest spread during the day through eastern Ukraine and as Russian troops cut the strategic Crimean Black Sea peninsula from the rest of Ukraine. And the city council in the economically strategic eastern Russian-speaking city of Donetsk called for a referendum over possibly separating from the country.

When the Security Council meeting in Kiev broke up after several hours, the country's top leaders offered a mix of brave words. Acting President Oleksandr Turchynov said security units would beef up patrols around critical infrastructure across Ukraine, like nuclear reactors and ports. He said the military would be ready to defend its homeland. "I gave the order to reach full combat readiness, given the potential for aggression," Mr. Turchynov said in a statement.

Western diplomats familiar with Ukraine, however, expressed some doubt about Kiev's ability to mount an effective defense against heavily armed forces from neighboring Russia. Ukraine's military is largely manned by conscripts, and they have well-documented problems securing fuel and equipment, which would hinder their battle-readiness and effectiveness, two diplomats said. Russia is Ukraine's main supplier of energy.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: crimea; russia; ukraine; viktoryanukovich; yuliatymoshenko
Barry is busy watching the NBA.........
1 posted on 03/01/2014 4:59:37 PM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

The Ukrainian Army is not going to fight the Russians.

The only “army” that wants to fight the Russians are the Western Ukrainian Bandera Nazis and they’re going to get their asses kicked back to Lviv.


2 posted on 03/01/2014 5:01:43 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: Sub-Driver

The Ukrainian Navy already sided with the Russians. They just posted it.


3 posted on 03/01/2014 5:02:52 PM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: Sub-Driver

4 posted on 03/01/2014 5:04:32 PM PST by Diogenesis
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To: Sub-Driver

This is what happens when the presidency becomes a celebrity contest and uninformed people vote on style instead of substance.


5 posted on 03/01/2014 5:06:51 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (15 years of FReeping! Congratulations EEE!!)
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To: Sub-Driver
Ukraine Puts Military on Full Alert After Russian Intervention Threat

How many of 'em?

6 posted on 03/01/2014 5:07:17 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Earthdweller

If the international community accepts this partitioning, then the southwestern US belongs to Mexico


7 posted on 03/01/2014 5:10:47 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: jimbo123

Maybe put each one of them inside a cannon and send them back to Lvov that way (like the false Dmitri).


8 posted on 03/01/2014 5:13:05 PM PST by BusterBear
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9 posted on 03/01/2014 5:13:22 PM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Sub-Driver

If Russia is allowed to take the Ukraine, Poles and Czechs should put all of their efforts into either getting ready to fight endlessly by themselves with no support from the West or to return to the past. There’s no support against communist/fascist expansionism from the most influential constituents behind the politicians here (as seen on the Internet discussion forums).


10 posted on 03/01/2014 5:16:27 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Earthdweller

Well, one ship did.


11 posted on 03/01/2014 5:18:32 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: jimbo123
Actually, I would say that the Muslim Tartars who were deported by Stalin and just returned to the Crimean homeland within the last ten to fifteen years would be willing to fight the Russians and they represent about 12 percent of the Crimean population.
12 posted on 03/01/2014 5:20:39 PM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: Sub-Driver

In his statement Obama warned Putin that there would be ‘costs’. But what he meant was that Putin/Russia would have to buy gasoline, diesel fuel, bullets, food for his troops, etc. You don’t invade a country for free.


13 posted on 03/01/2014 5:20:58 PM PST by rigor mortis ("Before you open your mouth to speak, make sure it's an improvement upon the silence.")
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To: GeronL
"If the international community accepts this partitioning, then the southwestern US belongs to Mexico"

Well, it does. They're already there, so why not? We don't want our focus to wander off of the final transition to the service/debt economy, so we're not getting involved in any more conflicts--no matter what. Besides, everyone knows that we can't do anything to stop Mexico from taking the homelands of its citizens. ;-)


14 posted on 03/01/2014 5:23:12 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Earthdweller

That was expected it was crewed by Russian speakers.The greatest danger America faces is that Russia goes a yard to far and the Ukrainians pull the nuclear trigger.

The almighty empty suit has allowed the CIA to focus solely on computer intelligence.We are blind to real knowledge of the stockpiles.


15 posted on 03/01/2014 5:23:34 PM PST by managusta (The first sign of maturity is the discovery that the volume knob also turns to the left.)
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To: familyop

Just remember this when amnesty comes up, do we really want tens of millions of people loyal to a foreign government concentrated in the southwest?


16 posted on 03/01/2014 5:27:18 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: managusta

I bet learning Russian was mandatory in Ukraine schools during the Soviet era.


17 posted on 03/01/2014 5:27:54 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: familyop

This post is an interesting read about Putin.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2014/03/putin-goes-to-war-in-crimea.html?mobify=0

And yes, I do believe he will march onward. Who is going to stop him???


18 posted on 03/01/2014 5:34:48 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: familyop

Ukraine has ordered general nationwide mobilization to commence at 0800 EET on 2 March 2014 - that’s about four and a half hours from now.

http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2014/03/2/7016921/

Run it through GoogleTranslate.


19 posted on 03/01/2014 5:35:41 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: GeronL

When I was in Kiev in 2012 and 2013, I was surprised the number of the locals that spoke some, if not fluent, English. They appeared to have a big push to teach English to the children. The further distant I was from the city the less prevalent it was. When I got to Simferopol, English was almost nonexistent except at the hotel.


20 posted on 03/01/2014 5:43:36 PM PST by bushbuddy
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To: bushbuddy

interesting observation


21 posted on 03/01/2014 5:49:46 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: bushbuddy

interesting observation


22 posted on 03/01/2014 5:49:46 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Sub-Driver
Ukraine ordered its military to full combat alert after Russia's threat of military intervention in the country, but Kiev's new politicians didn't offer immediate countermoves to Moscow, amid reluctance by its Western supporters to stand with it militarily.

If Ukrainians are not prepared to fight for their territorial integrity, they shouldn't expect foreigners to do so. That it's taken this long for them to put their forces on high alert says either that they're expecting somebody else to do the fighting, or they needed some kind of casus belli to sway undecided troops within the Ukrainian military towards siding with the Parliament against the Russians. Either way, this isn't good for their cause.

23 posted on 03/01/2014 6:05:41 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: managusta
The greatest danger America faces is that Russia goes a yard to far and the Ukrainians pull the nuclear trigger.

If the Ukrainians had nukes, would Putin be pulling this stunt?

24 posted on 03/01/2014 6:07:53 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: managusta

The ukraine has no nukes whatsoever. Russia resumed them by the treaty signed between clinton & russia. Russia is going to use that very treaty to fullfil its obligation to guarantee the ukraines territorial integrity. Funny how these democrat prepared treaties work out...


25 posted on 03/01/2014 6:09:06 PM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Sub-Driver

I doubt the Tatar’s have much interest in getting in a losing fight, should one come. Putin is good buddies with Ramzan Kadyrov who is the Head of the Chechen Republic. By what i have read Kadyrov seems to be engaging in dialogue with the fellow Muslim Tatars, to smooze them over. I would expect any “uniformed” Russian troops “officially” moving into the other provinces of Eastern Ukraine will have little resistance. It is more than likely that political operatives from Russia have been plowing the field and also that Russian Spetznaz are well placed to take over select sites and communications, if it becomes time. If I were Putin I would stay east of the Dniper river which bisects the country. I would guess many of the Ukraine conscripts and officers relate to Russian soldiers more as comrades. Too bad it isn’t springtime. Ukraine has golf courses that could have enticed Barry’s boots on the ground.....


26 posted on 03/01/2014 6:09:42 PM PST by Trapper6012
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To: GeronL

I was being facetious (not sincere). More seriously, boss constituents have been establishing worldwide slavery for several decades. Politicians are their employees.


27 posted on 03/01/2014 6:15:24 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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28 posted on 03/01/2014 6:18:13 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: rigor mortis

“In his statement Obama warned Putin that there would be ‘costs’. But what he meant was that Putin/Russia would have to buy gasoline, diesel fuel, bullets, food for his troops, etc. You don’t invade a country for free.”

I doubt he put that much thought into it...Friday night and all, with a fundraiser and happy hour to attend. He just read what some low information high dollar contributor wrote on his teleprompter.


29 posted on 03/01/2014 6:25:39 PM PST by RS_Rider (I hate Illinois Nazis)
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To: GeronL

A few years ago, I worked with a pickaxe all day, each day under a house, beside a Jamaican. We worked cheap (only kind of job in the area at the time). The resident (customer) decided to have a basement after the place was built. The small contractor was a volatile lunatic who acted like he’d never really worked a day in his life (very nervous and complaining dude). After a couple of days of digging, the Jamaican turned to me and said, “It’s slavery, mon! Slavery!” I couldn’t stop laughing.

;-)


30 posted on 03/01/2014 6:27:43 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Thank you.


31 posted on 03/01/2014 6:29:47 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

If the US can back Jewish claims to Palestine (after it ceased to exist after 1700+ years) how are we going to tell other countries that their claims (substantially lesser time in historical past) are invalid??!! The world does not take our moralizing seriously because too many times the US is hypcritical. Example - Taiwan has the right to succeed from China but the Confederate States were crushed brutally. China does not allow the Christians to practice openly and freely, but a kid in US public schools can be suspended if he brings a Bible into the school. Worst we deal with Saudi Arabia as a close ally but they can kill Christians. George Washington understood the moral warp world outside of the US and warned us not to get into foreign entanglements. He was right. God gave us two ocean barriers, a large and rich land to build a prosperous and free society. Stay within it and we will come out ahead. Leave it and we will get bloodied and bankrupted.


32 posted on 03/01/2014 6:54:08 PM PST by Fee ( Big Gov and Big Business are Enemies of America)
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To: GeronL

>>I bet learning Russian was mandatory in Ukraine schools during the Soviet era.

In Cuba and Germany too. What is your point?


33 posted on 03/01/2014 7:03:15 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

That their speaking Russian means they should be ruled by Russia.


34 posted on 03/01/2014 7:12:29 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Reagan shattered the Soviet Union; Obama put it back together.


35 posted on 03/01/2014 7:15:10 PM PST by vekzen
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To: Fee
God gave us two ocean barriers, a large and rich land to build a prosperous and free society

If oceans are barriers what do they bar. Not the ships that the original settlers sailed here on.

Oceans bar travel the way that red lights can stop cars.

36 posted on 03/01/2014 7:46:36 PM PST by Tonytitan
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To: GeronL

“That their speaking Russian means they should be ruled by Russia.”

I agree.


37 posted on 03/01/2014 8:04:24 PM PST by Finalmente
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To: GeronL
That their speaking Russian means they should be ruled by Russia.

Let's give them Brighton Beach while we're at it, then.

38 posted on 03/01/2014 8:05:13 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Finalmente

Will make the amnesty debate more important.


39 posted on 03/01/2014 8:05:14 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: dfwgator

lol

They would rename it “Beachhead One”


40 posted on 03/01/2014 8:09:17 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Tonytitan

It means if someone wants to make trouble with the US it will be an attack on the mainland. At that point our politically divided nation will agree we must fight. When we go overseas to start a war to prevent a war, we end up limiting ourselves due to geo political realities, or we must nation build and subject our men to ROE and irregular warfare. This formula has been played from Korea, Vietnam, and now Iraq/Afghanistan. US domestic characteristics limits us to defined short wars which our leaders are unable to keep when going to war overseas. Result is eventual defeat as the war drags on, enemy peppers us to death with IED and the cost to a nation already deep in debt. In the meantime the party out of power will demonize the war with the hope of taking power from the party in power. It all ends badly for the poor troops who have to put up with all this. Many of our enemies have to climb thru many neighboring nations before they can physically launch a seaborne invasion of the US/Western Hemisphere. Our country needs another Pres Eisenhower who will usher a period of quiet as our nation pay down our debt and rebuild her strength and forces. The US did not become a great power via a conqueror like Napolean, rather it was by letting the powers of the day kill each other till both are at the brink of collapse that we plunged into the fight fresh and untouched. The US should not be killing herself to maintain the peace in the world. Let the nations fight amongst themselves again. Give war a chance. When the US is no longer dominant in Europe and Far East Asia, China and Russia will eye each other with suspicion. I predict they will end up fighting with each other over the EuroAsia regions. In a multi polar world, the first two major powers fight will lose. Be the monkey on the rock watching two lions fight will be the winner.


41 posted on 03/01/2014 8:58:35 PM PST by Fee ( Big Gov and Big Business are Enemies of America)
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To: Fee
If the US can back Jewish claims to Palestine (after it ceased to exist after 1700+ years) how are we going to tell other countries that their claims (substantially lesser time in historical past) are invalid??!!

Bad example. It was Israel's land, and the original nations no longer exist, and there was no Palestine state, and the British gave land for a Jewish state, and the Muslims refused a deal that would have given them this:

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/partition_plan.html

42 posted on 03/01/2014 9:23:49 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

Let me get this straight. The Brits take the lands from the Ottoman Empire, and then decides to give it to the Jewish refugees from the Holocaust without asking the Arabs living on it if they want that? It would be akin to the UN/IMF taking over the US after a financial collapse and then decide to return TX, AZ. NM, CA to Mexico without asking the Americans living in those states. Recipe for trouble recipe for trouble. The last 60 plus years affirmed it. Brits screw up and we are dumb to assume the mantle along with all the headaches.


43 posted on 03/01/2014 9:42:58 PM PST by Fee ( Big Gov and Big Business are Enemies of America)
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To: Sub-Driver

In the 80s Russia tried to subdue Afghanistan. They failed against tribesmen. We also failed but not due to the tribesmen but the failed rules of engagement from Washington and their insane thought they could make Afghanistan a functioning democracy.

Russia can roll over the Ukraine in a conventional battle. Do they have the stomach to battle for years against an insurgency that has sophisticated training and weapons. Russia battled in Afghanistan for years and lost their ass to tribesmen that were armed with western weapons.


44 posted on 03/01/2014 10:03:18 PM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: managusta

Euromadien does not have anywhere near full control of the Ukrainian military. In fact I would bet that over 75% of the Ukrainian units will not fight if push comes to shove, and that many would defect to, and fight for, Russia.


45 posted on 03/01/2014 10:04:45 PM PST by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: bill1952
The ukraine has no nukes whatsoever. Russia resumed them by the treaty signed between clinton & russia. Russia is going to use that very treaty to fullfil its obligation to guarantee the ukraines territorial integrity. Funny how these democrat prepared treaties work out...

From the same crew that gave us The Dayton Accords....Gee how did that work out for Yugoslavia?

46 posted on 03/01/2014 10:07:53 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Fee; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; Lera; CynicalBear; mitch5501; BlueDragon; bonfire; ...
The Brits take the lands from the Ottoman Empire, and then decides to give it to the Jewish refugees from the Holocaust without asking the Arabs living on it if they want that?

Yup. Jews have always lived in the r holy land , even along side Arabs.

And what right did Arab have to prevent a prior people

whose nation had possessed the land, and who lost it another nations, resulting in subsequent change of hands by nations, and finally Britain, resulting in the prior nation's people getting it back, and which had no prior claimants left from before them,

from having a nation in part of it, which they could easily coexist with?

See http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFroots.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_and_Judaism_in_the_Land_of_Israel http://www.danielpipes.org/84/the-muslim-claim-to-jerusalem

Brits screw up and we are dumb to assume the mantle along with all the headaches.

Not so: the Brits simply were the last nation in a chain of nations to have power over the land, and gave part of back to the only nation who had no prior claimants before them left.

And which would have also resulted in an Arab nation if they were not intolerant of a Jewish nation there at all.

47 posted on 03/01/2014 10:29:40 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: bill1952

This was verified? Where?Russia did not resume them.They hid them in the Crimea.

They knew the Bear was only hibernating.Russia has gone in to secure its nuclear weapons in Sevastopol, which by the way if they had fallen to the “Maiden” would have shown that Russia ignored the non-proliferation treaty.

From the Soviet Studies Research Centre
The Royal Military Academy Sandhurst
March 1993

“if the West failed to intervene in the former Yugoslavia, it will certainly not involve itself (other than by exhortation)in battles between Russia and the Ukraine.
To many this growing sense of isolation reinforces the need for a nuclear “big stick” with which to threaten Russia.”


48 posted on 03/02/2014 5:28:13 AM PST by managusta (The first sign of maturity is the discovery that the volume knob also turns to the left.)
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To: GeronL
If the international community accepts this partitioning

What on Earth is the "international community"?

That's something you see on a ride at Disney World.

There is no "international community". You have nothing whatsoever in common with 95+% inhabitants of this ball of rock (and little in common with a bunch who share our territory with you).

49 posted on 03/02/2014 5:35:09 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Sub-Driver; gooblah

The grim reality of the Ukrainians resisting the Russians.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3128811/posts

At Ukrainian base, standoff turns into circus
The Tampa Tribune ^ | Published: March 2, 2014 | AP

Posted on by gooblah

PEREVALNE, Ukraine (AP) — Just inside the main gate to the military base, four young Ukrainian soldiers stood in the middle of the road, as if somehow they alone could stop what was on the other side.

They were hardly an intimidating group. They were young and unarmed and didn’t look like they had ever been anywhere near combat. One, the soldier whose eyes kept blinking nervously, didn’t look old enough to shave.


50 posted on 03/02/2014 3:53:40 PM PST by Grampa Dave ( Obozo Care is a Trinity of Lies! Obozo Care is probably a serious Black Swan event.)
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